Juggernaut vs Silver Surfer

Surfer got telepathy? even if he don't he'd win though.

Originally posted by Mainstream
Surfer got telepathy? even if he don't he'd win though.

Some level of telepathy....but seeing as how juggs has no defense, even a child with telepathy could take him out when he doesn't have his helmet.

~wickerman~

Originally posted by Wickerman
Some level of telepathy....but seeing as how juggs has no defense, even a child with telepathy could take him out when he doesn't have his helmet.

~wickerman~

Does Juggy not wear his Cyttorak-produced skull-cap anymore?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Does Juggy not wear his Cyttorak-produced skull-cap anymore?

I did say "when he doesn't have his helmet" Mr. Ultimate Rage 😉

As for current Jugg-are-not......yeah, he also still has the helmet.

~wickerman~

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Does Juggy not wear his Cyttorak-produced skull-cap anymore?

I think he wears it when he's swimming...to avoid getting water in his ears.

Does current Juggernaut's helmet block telepathy? Is he out of Xorn's head yet?

Also, I believe the second helmet, the skullcap, is something he made himself out of metal from the crimson cosmos.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
His forward momentum can and has been stopped by sufficent force (war hulk for example).

war hulk didnt stop juggernaut with force. its very clear in the scans you dont even need the back story to see whats going on. hulk envelopes his entire body in the energy he is drawing on from another dimension (the pocket universe franklin richards created). juggernauts magic doesnt function against it (since its based on the laws of this reality). so juggernaut stops. hulk couldnt stop him with might, in fact he was being pushed back until the energy saved him. every time hulk makes contact with juggernaut throughout the issue (EVERY TIME) he has his fist/sword/body charged with the energy...

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Its just speculation on your part that he could. If you think he can then back it up.

if you think he cant... back it up...

Originally posted by KillAll
war hulk didnt stop juggernaut with force. its very clear in the scans you dont even need the back story to see whats going on. hulk envelopes his entire body in the energy he is drawing on from another dimension (the pocket universe franklin richards created). juggernauts magic doesnt function against it (since its based on the laws of this reality). so juggernaut stops. hulk couldnt stop him with might, in fact he was being pushed back until the energy saved him. every time hulk makes contact with juggernaut throughout the issue (EVERY TIME) he has his fist/sword/body charged with the energy...

So was any of that actually stated in any way shape or form in the comic or is that just speculation on your part stemming from a glowing hulk? 🙂

Originally posted by KillAll
if you think he cant... back it up...

Not how a forum works and not my place to. If you make claims then for them to have any weight in a debate you must back them up. Once that is done if i still disagree its up to myself to provide counter evidence. We clear now? 😉

There is a moment where Apocalypse says something to the effect of "Celestial technology. It nullifies all energy but my own."

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
There is a moment where Apocalypse says something to the effect of "Celestial technology. It nullifies all energy but my own."

Therefore Killalls speculation is incorrect as i thought.

The Celestial tech empowered War Hulk to the point where he could prevent Juggs progression. 🙂 Cool. 😉

Yeah, in that he was empowered with nullifying powers.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Yeah, in that he was empowered with nullifying powers.

He was empowered to the point where he could prevent Juggs forward momentum through force. Yes i know, you've clarified that. Thanx Swanky.

It sounds like you're trying to put words in my mouth...

not gs . . . 😖hifty:

where's mr. whirly . . . 😄

Any perpetuation of the idea that Juggernaut is "unstoppable" is either ignorance of fanboyism. Even classic Juggernaut was stopped, knocked down, and hurt in at least every other appearance. He has a high showing against Thor...he has a high showing against D'Spayre (whose powers conveniently rely on ILLUSION!) Other than that, he's been tossed around and stopped by the Hulk on multiple occasion's, knocked on his ass by Colossus, stopped and pulled to the ground by the Thing...Beat to sh!t by Onslaught....and utterly demolished by purely physical means of Nimrod.

Juggernaut's unstoppability and invulnerability are marginal, they are a hyperbole.

Surfer could defeat him the same way he was beaten by Nimrod he could also use the environment against him. Considering all the experience and versatility of Surfer, how can one honestly think he would have difficulty with one of the most one dimensional characters in Marvel.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
It sounds like you're trying to put words in my mouth...

You said there was a mention of Hulk having Celestial tech in that battle with Hulk did you not and gave that as a reason for the outcome between war hulk and Jugg.

So am i wrong to take from that that the Celestial tech empowered Hulk to the point where he could halt Juggs momentum? 😕 😄

No GS didnt u hear that long winded excuse mixed with speculation about how the extra dimensional power cancelled out Jug's powers?

I agree with u...Hulk got marginally stronger than Jugs and kicked his ass.

Originally posted by Wynndar
No GS didnt u hear that long winded excuse mixed with speculation about how the extra dimensional power cancelled out Jug's powers?

I agree with u...Hulk got marginally stronger than Jugs and kicked his ass.

YEEEEEEAAAHH!! 💃

I could be wrong, but Juggernaut has been beaten by opponents less capable than the Surfer, has he not? Otherwise the Juggernaut character would be running (walking?) rampant through every Marvel comic: the unending threat, the story with no closure.
Ipso fatso, why would the Surfer, then, be unable to defeat Juggernaut?

And while I'm at it...this notion about SS turning rock into admantium? Wouldn't that involve transmutation of elements? I thought Surfer could rearrange molecules, not actually affect matter at the submolecular/atomic level.
Molecular rearrangment does not equal transmutation.

If nothing else, SS beats Juggernaut the same way he would defeat Doomsday...attack the source of J's power, not the result, which is J himself.

Originally posted by Mindship

And while I'm at it...this notion about SS turning rock into admantium? Wouldn't that involve transmutation of elements? I thought Surfer could rearrange molecules, not actually affect matter at the submolecular/atomic level.
Molecular rearrangment does not equal transmutation.

If nothing else, SS beats Juggernaut the same way he would defeat Doomsday...attack the source of J's power, not the result, which is J himself.

I checked. You're right, SS cant transmute elements only rearrange sub-atomic structures.

I think SS wins via psionic means.