Originally posted by long pig
REASONS WHY JINZIN CAN'T WIN:1. He's vulnerable to heat, thus he's vulnerable to electricity, electricity WILL kill him.
clearly 🙄
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what you seem to either neglect or deny is that SPIDERMAN is ACTUALLY vulnerable to heat such as flame, electricity, etc etc... yet he beats the crap out of electro every time.. the one example you could give when he didn't was when electro was powered up, a power which he has since then lost😕. Think about it, spiderman can't take getting set on fire, he would be burned, and he doesn't have a healing factor that can compensate... YET he kicks the crippity CRAP out of electro in fist fights. Why? cause the electrical currents that electro conducts are not comparible to flames etc. etc. They are more comparible to concussive force with shock value from what the comics have displayed. Anyway the point is this... We know Peter can't be set on fire or he'll die/burn to a crisp, and yet he takes Electro's currents all the damned time. We know that Venom HAS been set on fire and he hasn't really been bothered by it (excluding his ealier appearances before he learned to adapt and excluding when he had just reformed with brock and was still weakened from the seperation). Thus we know that the HEAT that your talking about IS NOT enough to dictate a victory like you hope. ( I mean and DAMN that's all without the webbing armor). Now you add on the fact that sabretooth adds in a nice amount of healing factor to the human host for the mix and your power's really beginning to look less and less threatening long pig...
Finally there's the fact that VENOM ALREADY TROUNCED ELECTRO.. if electro's powers were half of what you hoped that they were Venom wouldn't have been able to touch electro without getting zapped (kind of like what happened to captain america when he touched electro). Yet venom nearly killed the poor bastard, the random electrical currents didn't seem to be hurting venom too much either... You're hoping against hope in this security you have that your powers are THAT intimidating... They're hardly effective against spiderman let alone guys like venom and sabretooth.. LET ALONE TBK with an armor of webbing.
Originally posted by long pig
2. He CAN NOT make shields of any kind.
and that's excluding the webbing shields, OR the energy shield that Taskmaster has... seriously...
Originally posted by long pig
3. He has NO time to web anything. He doesn't even have non conductive webbing.
We're a hundred yards apart.. you started the match running around in a zig zag pattern.. I have plenty of time.. 🙄
all of spidey's webbing's been non conductive.. it's not like it's made of farious metal/wire/tin... 🤨
Current spidey has organic webbing.. or did you forget that to? seemed to be working just fine to me... 😕
Originally posted by long pigMaybe in ASM 424 or 5 or whatever ish that was when electro was powered up... not any other times.. I mean honestly is that why he was about to crap his pants in new avengers 3? cause the webs would melt? 😂
4. His webs MELT..
Originally posted by long pig
5. He has no weapons for long range.
one.. I already gave you a list of long range weapons..
two you're already closing the distance to get to my web dome. rong range weaponry is a moot point here... yawn
Originally posted by long pig
6. He CAN be controlled magnetically.
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7. He CAN'T dodge lasers.
but seriously.. In spite of two of my characters all ready HAVE dodged them before? pffft...
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8. He CAN'T breath in hard air.
And again, don't need to, symbiote's kept brock alive in the water indefinitely... I'll be just fine.
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9. He CAN'T break through my shields and armor.
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10. He CAN'T get close to me without being electrocuted.
Originally posted by long pig
There, end of debate. Shocktopus wins everytime.
maybe in longpig-land he does... seriously.. you got anything better than a couple "nu-uh" arguments?
i was under the impression that lp had freek's adamantium blades at the end of his tentacles? he doesn't? i swear he had them against khell. if he doesn't then disregard almost everything that follows. i mean, those things cut through hulk like butter and would certainly seem to be able to slice through jin's shield. that's still not something i'm totally sold on -- even zigzagging as he says, how long would it take shock to cover 100 yards at what - 160mph? 10 seconds, MAYBE? he does move at 160mph, right? jin might START the shield, but wouldn't it stand to reason lp would go straight at him if he saw what was happening and just slice through it with his blades? if lp can reach him before jin gets all gussied up, it's still possible lp can win this.
sorry boys, i must be a bit slow today. i need a bit more clarification on lp's weapons and speed.
im thinkin Shocktopus will stomp TBK sure Venom can take Electro you see the thing is electro by himself isnt good at holding up against punches,kicks etc. but add on the adamantium armor and it's a whole different story man spiderman got his ass handed to him on so many occasions by Ock himself with two of the sinister six spidey would be beaten down Ock has adamantium tentacles add electricity thasts one badass right there besides electro can make big fields of energy around himself frying your poor symbiote and taking down Sabretooth with him Venom never uses his shield or it seems he doesnt want to hide he would rather get the sh!t kicked out of him we saw what he did when fighting shriek he was to darn arrogant to try and defend himself
Of course I have adamantium blades, and adamantium coils that shoot out with enough force to go straight through Hulk.
I have the boosters which propel me tourney limit speed. I've a tourney limit strength shield and a tourney limit strength armor.
I can throw out a coil as soon as the fight starts, jinzin would have 2 seconds before being electrocuted to death and magnetized.
It's very, VERY simple.
What part of "Cut through anything" does jinzin not realize about adamantium? His shield may as well not even be there.
Oh wait, Venom can't make web shields....🙄
Spiderman's webs melt, as seen by Doc OckII herself, she MADE her tentacles to get hot just to melt webbing.
THE WEBBING MELTS.
I have every advantage. Speed Strength Durability Longrange Shortrange weapons...everything.
Venom as we know has lways been able to shoot webs and in a maximum carnage issue Spiderman yells to Venom to add on to the web shield his alone couldnt hold but Venom refuses to use it because he considers it hiding so you may never seehim do it but he can and no i said above in my previous post right above your last one that it couldnt
hold up against adamantium
Originally posted by long pig
Sounds like Spiderman just wanted Venom to renforce the shield he made.Either way, TBK really can't win here.
Hell, I STILL have the option of turning his brain impulses off with my electricity control. Shutting his body down.
1 hit kill rule. 🙄 😆
Electro ever done that? That's a hell of a lot more complicated than a web shield. And Hulk isn't really durable. He heals insanely fast, but his skin and flesh are relatively easy to cut through. (it's at LEAST less than steel, since Wolverine cuts him, but not Colossus)
You shouldn't have tried so hard to get Khell's shield manipulating neutered, it really f***s you over with Electro's stuff. Of his powers, you're pretty much limited to stat amping and electricity bolts. Digi ruled that moving things through any methods without having anything touch them IS telekinesis. That would include magnetism, and I'm pretty sure pulling a brain shutdown would be akin to primitive telepathy as well, so both of those roads are highly illegal.
1 hit kill rule. roll eyes (sarcastic) laughing
Electro ever done that?
moving things through any methods without having anything touch them IS telekinesis.
TK is moving something without touching it that can't be explained by science. I'm using magnetism. Totally legal.
Originally posted by long pigYou mean like telepath controls the thoughts in your head?
It's as much like Telepathy as being stabbed in the head. It's nothing even CLOSE to telepathy.It's me controlling the electricity in your head, nothing more nothing less.
Totally legal and totally lethal. You die.
Sounds like its on par with TP to me.
No, like an energy manipulator using scientific and physical based ways of controlling the energy in an animal's body.
It's sort of silly to say that if it effects the brain it must be TP.
Yeah, sorry, but no.
I'm not doing anything mental, everything Electro does is physical. Hell, being punches hard enough can cancel the impulses in the brain, is THAT Telepathy? Nerve Gas can inhibit the brain impulses, is that TP?
<<And Hulk isn't really durable. He heals insanely fast, but his skin and flesh are relatively easy to cut through. (it's at LEAST less than steel, since Wolverine cuts him, but not Colossus)>>
that's a debateable point for a number of reasons, but i'm not gonna get into it. point is wolvie's blades can cut damn near anything and he doesn't need superspeed to do it. freek HAS superspeed and shock has FAR greater strength than wolvie. carnage's blades are pretty sharp, but when compared to adamantium wielded at superspeed WITH superstrength? they're less than nothing. shock could cut through practically anything relatively easily. i couldn't see jin having more than a a few seconds, and even IF the shield is up, the blades will slice it to ribbons. wolvie himself has laid out venom, like venom has laid out electro.
sorry jin, don't mean to be fighting lp's battle for him. just stating the way i see things going down.
to me, i see shock getting in close, close enough to cut and slash. my question is (and this was a VERY good point jin raised) is this: can the symbiote crawl up the tentacle through the shield without being fried and before jin is sliced to ribbons? if so, i think tbk can last the few seconds in close that it would take for the symbiote to crawl down shock's throat and end it.
lp, can you defense this attack? magnetism aside (cuz digi never DID rule on the issue . . .) do you even GET in that close?
jinzin, CAN you really snake up the tentacles (which i think is a great and logical attack) despite the electricity and can you handle/defend being hacked by adamantium blades for long enough?
Originally posted by long pig
No, like an energy manipulator using scientific and physical based ways of controlling the energy in an animal's body.It's sort of silly to say that if it effects the brain it must be TP.
Yeah, sorry, but no.I'm not doing anything mental, everything Electro does is physical. Hell, being punches hard enough can cancel the impulses in the brain, is THAT Telepathy? Nerve Gas can inhibit the brain impulses, is that TP?
neither of those are in question, stop deviating from the point... it's on par with telepathy get over it.
p.s. when did electro do this?
to me, i see shock getting in close, close enough to cut and slash. my question is (and this was a VERY good point jin raised) is this: can the symbiote crawl up the tentacle through the shield without being fried and before jin is sliced to ribbons? if so, i think tbk can last the few seconds in close that it would take for the symbiote to crawl down shock's throat and end it.lp, can you defense this attack? magnetism aside (cuz digi never DID rule on the issue . . .) do you even GET in that close?
Sure I can.
The symbiote won't make it past the flesh disintegrating electro field and the Ock field before being electrocuted and cut into pieces.
It's not hard to break the 100meter distance when you're instantly going 160mph. I'll be on him before he can start anything.
Why does Digi have to rule on magnetism? It's perfectly legal. Same with the brain impulse attack.