So this is spidey acting stupid
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Now why would he just stand there and receive Slade's attack considering he is 4x faster than he is?
You are also confusing(even though it isn't true for spidey) 40x human reflexes with Slade's ability to react and move 10x human thought. BIG difference. SM's reflexes aren't better.
slade can punch hard, does that mean it would affect Spider-man considering he is 1/3 of his average strength depiction.
Spider-man doesn't have to dodge forever. He could blitz like the scans i provided showed. Even slade isn't durable enough to withstand that beating. Sure he would heal, but he can be ko'ed.
Name anyone who has blitzed Slade and compare them to Spiderman.
Spiderman simply hasn't got the speed to blitz someone who basically his equal in reflexes. I mean.... Slade's mind sees life in slow motion, he basically has the mind and reflexes of a low-mid level speedster.
Do I need to post a scan of the comic explaining that he sees life in slow mo? (And since you like to use a characters own words) The scan where it's blatantly said that his reflexes make him faster than anyone in the Titans, including Kid Flash?
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
So this is spidey acting stupidhttp://img463.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsironman20201e7ft.jpg
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Originally posted by long pig
Because he isn't?
I know where you got the 40x comment, and it was a simple remark from Spiderman while fighting Hulk. Spiderman also said Sentry stalemated Galactus, and we don't use it as truth here. What characters say doesn't matter.You are also confusing(even though it isn't true for spidey) 40x human reflexes with Slade's ability to react and move 10x human thought. BIG difference. SM's reflexes aren't better.
Apples or Oranges? take your pick. Fact 1: that was said as he was fighting the hulk, appeared on the handbook and fits his speed feats. Fact 2: His statement about Sentry's level was only a recollection while not on battle.
Yes, yes it does. He'd feel it only slightly less than a normal human.
Strength does not mean durability. SM has horrid durability for his strength class.
How many times have we seen SM taken out/passing out from one bullet or one stab?
"Only slightly less than a normal human strength" 😱 are you with me or against me longpigg?
SM has horrid durability for his strength class............... 😆
You can't actually think Spiderman is capable of blitzing Slade...Name anyone who has blitzed Slade and compare them to Spiderman.
Spiderman simply hasn't got the speed to blitz someone who basically his equal in reflexes. I mean.... Slade's mind sees life in slow motion, he basically has the mind and reflexes of a low-mid level speedster.
Do I need to post a scan of the comic explaining that he sees life in slow mo? (And since you like to use a characters own words) The scan where it's blatantly said that his reflexes make him faster than anyone in the Titans, including Kid Flash? [/B]
Actually i do, his name is Spider-man along with any other speedsters he has trumped due to their jobbing.
Slade isn't equal in his reflexes. He's not even a comparable equal. And I have also posted a scan on exactly how Spidey views his world. I actually have seen scans from of those of Slade and it really doesn't impress me.
If Slade was a speedster, he would be a really really low level one to boot.
Apples or Oranges?
Does that make it true?
Only slightly less than a normal human strength" are you with me or against me longpigg?
Spiderman would feel Slade's hits only slightly less than a normal human would feel Slade's hits. Either way, it'll hurt him.
Slade isn't equal in his reflexes. He's not even a comparable equal. And I have also posted a scan on exactly how Spidey views his world. I actually have seen scans from of those of Slade and it really doesn't impress me.If Slade was a speedster, he would be a really really low level one to boot.
Originally posted by long pigHow many does Slade carry?
Pre-cog can be overwhelmed by grenades.
Originally posted by long pigIs her precog on "automatic" like Spidey's is?
If this fight happened 10 times in a row, with each fighter 100% recouped afterwards, the first fight Slade would lose to Peter's spidey sense. The second fight he'd have already figured out a way to counter it.I mean, it isn't like Slade is new to people who have pre-cog. He teaches his daughter how to fully use hers.
Originally posted by long pig
And your scans show otherwise?No, they don't.
Ironman made only one single offensive maneuver in those scans, and he put it on the lowest possible setting to boot.
Well probably because I choose not post the rest of the scans before Spider-man got deadly serious.
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He was even handicapped with the kid.
Originally posted by long pig
Pretzles.
Slade said he was faster than Kid Flash, and faster (where it counts the most) than present day wally. He has the feats to prove it, too.Does that make it true?
"Slade said he was faster than Kid Flash".....And you believe him?
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You read wrong.Spiderman would feel Slade's hits only slightly less than a normal human would feel Slade's hits. Either way, it'll hurt him.
Yes, like lovetaps.
Ya know, there's a point when most normal humans stop saying "He can't do that!" and start saying "Well, since he's done it so much and his creator says he can, maybe it is in his power set." [/B]
You know the same things like that happen during Pre-crisis then they try to lessen the absurdity.
Originally posted by long pig
Because he isn't?You can't actually think Spiderman is capable of blitzing Slade...
Name anyone who has blitzed Slade and compare them to Spiderman.
Spiderman simply hasn't got the speed to blitz someone who basically his equal in reflexes. I mean.... Slade's mind sees life in slow motion, he basically has the mind and reflexes of a low-mid level speedster.
Do I need to post a scan of the comic explaining that he sees life in slow mo? (And since you like to use a characters own words) The scan where it's blatantly said that his reflexes make him faster than anyone in the Titans, including Kid Flash?
All of the speedsters at times, for some reason or another, have been tripped up or gotten hit by people w/ no powers whatsoever. So him gettin Impulse that time doesn't do much to convince me
Slade is nowhere near Spier-Man's reflexes. And Spider-Man's minds works the same way as Slade, in that he sees things slower. He has explained that this is how he is able to make jokes in the heat of battle. He's nervous yes, but also there is so much time between the attacks to him. Plus Spider-Man is way stronger, has his web to slow DS down and is more agile. Spider-Man wins the first time, maybe if DS finds a way to counter the spider-sense in the next match he'll have a chance there.
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
"Slade said he was faster than Kid Flash".....And you believe him?
😱 🤣Yes, like lovetaps.
You know the same things like that happen during Pre-crisis then they try to lessen the absurdity.
Or are you intentionally acting less intelligent than you really(hopefully) are?
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Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Well probably because I choose not post the rest of the scans before Spider-man got deadly serious.http://img463.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsironman202016ia.jpg
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http://img463.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsironman20201d9ys.jpgHe was even handicapped with the kid.
Actually, Iron Man states in the 3rd and 4th scans that he's holding back. He says he's trying NOT to hit Spiderman, because he doesn't want to melt the kid. He tries to talk to Spiderman throughout the entire "beating"... Plus, IM's brain and reflexes are still human, where Slade's are not.
As to Spiderman's durability... It exists as much as Batman's does. Batman got punched by Darkseid without being liquefied. Spiderman did the same when fighting Hulk, yet both are nowhere near bulletproof. Spiderman feels hits that he takes from everyone. Unless that bullet bounced off of his hand. 😂
Slade gets hit by Batman and Nightwing, but Spiderman takes hits from people who are just as slow... Deathstroke's speed and skill have allowed him to hit both Flashes (Bart and Wally) a VERY good number of times, considering the amount of showings he has. His speed is well into the metahuman range, whether you like it or not.
Originally posted by Dizzle
Actually, Iron Man states in the 3rd and 4th scans that he's holding back. He says he's trying NOT to hit Spiderman, because he doesn't want to melt the kid. He tries to talk to Spiderman throughout the entire "beating"... Plus, IM's brain and reflexes are still human, where Slade's are not.
Actually there was only one mention of him not wanting to hurt him. The situation was an emergency so he didn't have a choice whether to treat him like what he intended to or do his job. He even acknowledge that his arsenal are designed for mass destruction and not only using those cause of bystanders. The brain and reflexes maybe human but the exterior sure isn't nor the targetting system included in the present Ironman systems.
As to Spiderman's durability... It exists as much as Batman's does. Batman got punched by Darkseid without being liquefied. Spiderman did the same when fighting Hulk, yet both are nowhere near bulletproof. Spiderman feels hits that he takes from everyone. Unless that bullet bounced off of his hand. 😂
Actually the only reason Batman survived was because the motherbox was allocating all it's powers protecting him. Not really the same specially since Spider-man had been doing those feats for almost 30-40 years now. Batman has what? 2, one with DS, one with Superman.
Slade gets hit by Batman and Nightwing, but Spiderman takes hits from people who are just as slow... Deathstroke's speed and skill have allowed him to hit both Flashes (Bart and Wally) a VERY good number of times, considering the amount of showings he has. His speed is well into the metahuman range, whether you like it or not.
Slade even commented by the end of his fight with batman that although he has a healing factor and seeminly immortality, he couldn't get rid of the pain. How is that a good showing again?
Spider-man had an excuse since the 60's that he tends to ignore his SS often when he's not all to serious and the situation requires it(ex. bomb endangering people while he has to disarm it knowing all too well it's a trap). That's not even mentioning that majority of Spider-man's foe have considerable speed next to him. Slade doesn't.
And for goodness sakes, his showing with Flash and Bart are pure BS. One of them written properly can take both fighters here working together.
Answer this, how exactly many good number of times has Slade hit both?
Originally posted by superbatman86
But he's not 4x faster than he is.You just won't accept the fact that slade as fought and destroyed people far stronger, faster, and better fighters than spider-man.Also his spider sense isn't unbeatable especially when fighting someone who thinks faster than than his powers can compensate for.
Or the fact that spider-man did the same and did it more convincingly than someone who's just enhanced even touching the flash. And no his SS won't be overwhelmed cause it's a fact that's he's a lot faster than Slade.
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Actually there was only one mention of him not wanting to hurt him. The situation was an emergency so he didn't have a choice whether to treat him like what he intended to or do his job. He even acknowledge that his arsenal are designed for mass destruction and not only using those cause of bystanders. The brain and reflexes maybe human but the exterior sure isn't nor the targetting system included in the present Ironman systems.
"I wish I could sit him down and explain things"
"I don't want to hurt you, Spiderman!"
"Can't confront Spiderman directly without risking incinerating both him and Sanders!"
Even Spidey admits it...
"Iron Man's been toying with me!"
Actually the only reason Batman survived was because the motherbox was allocating all it's powers protecting him. Not really the same specially since Spider-man had been doing those feats for almost 30-40 years now. Batman has what? 2, one with DS, one with Superman.
Wonderwoman has hit him, Superman has done so on more than one occasion. Spiderman is STILL not bulletproof. Show me some time when Spiderman has failed to be affected by someone's punch, or something to that effect. He doesn't just shrug stuff off, hits from EVERYONE hurt him to some degree.
Slade even commented by the end of his fight with batman that although he has a healing factor and seeminly immortality, he couldn't get rid of the pain. How is that a good showing again?
Spider-man had an excuse since the 60's that he tends to ignore his SS often when he's not all to serious and the situation requires it(ex. bomb endangering people while he has to disarm it knowing all too well it's a trap). That's not even mentioning that majority of Spider-man's foe have considerable speed next to him. Slade doesn't.
The Batman one was NOT a good showing, it was a very low one for Slade, since that's not how him fighting against anything below superhumans usually works.
Similar examples for Spiderman? Punisher. Daredevil. Wolverine. He gets hit by normal humans too. I'm not saying he should, but both characters DO have showings that would put their speed at a much lower level than it really is.
And for goodness sakes, his showing with Flash and Bart are pure BS. One of them written properly can take both fighters here working together.Answer this, how exactly many good number of times has Slade hit both?
3 each. And considering the vast mountain that is Spiderman comics when compared to Deathstroke ones, I'd say that's pretty good. In fact, can you find me an example where Slade has FAILED to hit a Flash when paired against them? So far he's done it 6 times, with exactly zero-ish counterexamples.
Fighting to their fullest, Flashes definitely should take out Slade and Spiderman together. However, Flash doesn't always operate at lightspeeds. How fast do you figure he was moving when Slade hits him? Mach 10? 20? Even that would be a VERY impressive feat. PIS or not, Slade is portrayed to be able to fairly regularly hit speedsters.
Originally posted by Dizzle
"I wish I could sit him down and explain things"
*sigh* i donna wanna quote myself here but the task was an emergency for Ironman and wish as he might, he can't afford not to take Spider-man seriously.
"I don't want to hurt you, Spiderman!"
see above
"Can't confront Spiderman directly without risking incinerating both him and Sanders!"
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
He even acknowledge that his arsenal are designed for mass destruction and not only using those cause of bystanders.
I seemed to have mentioned that already? never said Spider-man would win in a different surrounding where Ironman can unleash his all. I posted these scan only it reflects a good showing on how much damage Spider-man could inflict on an enemy.
Even Spidey admits it...
"Iron Man's been toying with me!"
Considering that was before Spider-man went all out I wouldn't be surprised
Wonderwoman has hit him, Superman has done so on more than one occasion. Spiderman is STILL not bulletproof. Show me some time when Spiderman has failed to be affected by someone's punch, or something to that effect. He doesn't just shrug stuff off, hits from EVERYONE hurt him to some degree.
Wonderwoman, Superman??? I'm sorry but I think you just helped the argument against Slade even moreso. For someone he was shrugging, see Carrion 2(guy who repels organic matter)
The Batman one was NOT a good showing, it was a very low one for Slade, since that's not how him fighting against anything below superhumans usually works.Similar examples for Spiderman? Punisher. Daredevil. Wolverine. He gets hit by normal humans too. I'm not saying he should, but both characters DO have showings that would put their speed at a much lower level than it really is.
Well there you go. everyone has them and not just Spider-man which seemed to be very much implied here. The question now would be "what would happen when PIS is ignored and both going all out?"
3 each. And considering the vast mountain that is Spiderman comics when compared to Deathstroke ones, I'd say that's pretty good. In fact, can you find me an example where Slade has FAILED to hit a Flash when paired against them? So far he's done it 6 times, with exactly zero-ish counterexamples.
We don't. They simply haven't met and sparred on more occasions. but the notable ones couldn't be more than 2 since the earlier ones were at the time when wally was just limited to travelling below the speed of sound making slade's showings plausible. The rest where he was already doing an average of lightspeed travel and capable of FTL just simply goes down the heap.
Fighting to their fullest, Flashes definitely should take out Slade and Spiderman together. However, Flash doesn't always operate at lightspeeds. How fast do you figure he was moving when Slade hits him? Mach 10? 20? Even that would be a VERY impressive feat. PIS or not, Slade is portrayed to be able to fairly regularly hit speedsters.
Well that's the thing. If he doesn't operate at lightspeed(which he can, just look at JLA elites), it can't be considered a high-showing for slade considering we cannot really gauge how fast he is travelling when fighting him. Would you believe it when Slade said he was faster than Kid Flash? I know I sure don't. On IC, it simply looks like Flash travelling a few notches above the speed of sound. And considering they are deadly angry about Dr. Light's revelation, going by that speed would be just plain PIS for him taking the whole showing.
