Re: Marvel Women vs Wonder Woman
Originally posted by LethalFemme
Can Diana win?Wonder Woman
vs
Rogue(current)
Invisible Woman
Psylocke(current)
Emma Frost
Storm
She Hulk
Sage
Elektra
Nice one sis.
The winner would depend on how WonderWoman was written. IF written as totally taking advantage of ALL of her skills and abilities, and being totally brutal, then she would win (and most of the people on the Marvel team, eg Elektra, Storm etc etc ...even Rogue) wouldn't even be of the slightest threat if WonderWoman was going all out. She'd be moving so fast for one they couldn't even see her. She'd take them all out easily.
Now the interesting questions would be the telepaths (Emma and Sage ....and it would have to do with their telepathic skills, thus if Emma turned into her diamond form that would be foolish since to WonderWoman that would be basically like stiff cardboard. They would have to hit her mind with theirs). However would that be enough?
The question is do they pack the octane to take down a super-fast almost-superman-strong Amazon warrior-goddess streaking at them faster than the eye can see ......and more importantly do they feel lucky?
To be honest with you this battle depends on those 2 ladies, and I'd still give it to WonderWoman.
p.s: Now to wait and see how long it takes before someone states that all that needs to happen is for the Invisible Woman to plant an expanding bubble in WonderWoman's bosom .....or was it brain?
Conclusion: Let me put it this way ....if I had a choice of having one protect me from the other (i.e have the Marvel team protecting me from an enraged WonderWoman, or have an enraged WonderWoman protecting me from a determined Marvel team) ....well, I'd rather NOT have an enraged WonderWoman coming after me.
The only reason she doesn't seem that mighty is because the JLA is filled with people who can either shift small planets with might alone, have access to rings and magical hands made of water that can do all sorts of nifty things, or can come up with stratagems to stop Darkseid while driving around in a rocket-powered car. WonderWoman is actually one of the more powerful JLAers out there, and if written to her utmost even Superman would have problems stopping her.
This team wouldn't have a prime chance against a truly determined WonderWoman.
However she could also be written whereby Psylocke tags her with her psychic sword ......which really shouldn't happen, but a writer could easily have Storm beating Wonderwoman with lightning (of all things), or have Wolverine beating Lobo, or have ......wait a minute .....I believe there was some silly cross-over (where fans ....or I should say Fanboys) voted, and thus Storm won WW, and Lobo got defeated by Wolvie!
Thus the impossible can occur with the speed it takes for a penciler to draw and an inker to paint, for words to be added, and the printing mill to start churning out next month's copy.
Thus you could see Elektra by herself taking out Martian Manhunter, Superman, and WonderWoman with only her sais , dried toast, and an hour old mocha latte!
However, in this case, Wonderwoman SHOULD thrash the Marvel team.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I actually think that the Marvel women take this more times than not. It depends on the environment there fighting in, the distance they start apart etc. Once thats specified then i'll say a bit more.
Are you serious? She might as well be the Flash attacking them with super strength.
The only one who MIGHT stand a chance is Emma. And that's a giant maybe.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Are you serious? She might as well be the Flash attacking them with super strength.The only one who MIGHT stand a chance is Emma. And that's a giant maybe.
WW can fly at Mach 7 but she doesnt fly anywhere near that speed in earth like atmospheres. Thats why the outcome depends on the environment and the distance apart they start from each other.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
WW can fly at Mach 7 but she doesnt fly anywhere near that speed in earth like atmospheres. Thats why the outcome depends on the environment and the distance apart they start from each other.
That's strange. I remember Wonder Woman easily keeping up with a speeding (though not top speed) Jessie Quick.
I'd wager that's just A BIT faster than Mach 7.
So you think that Quicksilver can run faster than Wonder Woman can fly?
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Since Storm can resist telepathic attacks because of her willpower, Emma should be walk in the park for Wonder Woman whose willpower is at least ten times of that of Storm...
Thats speculation about how Storms willpower compares to WW as its hardly something that can be measured. Also its not just down to willpower why Storm is so good at resisting tp attacks. Its also because of the nature of her powers. She wields energies of the electromagnetic spectrum which in marvel at least means problems for telepaths. Your logic is a bit off.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
That's strange. I remember Wonder Woman easily keeping up with a speeding (though not top speed) Jessie Quick.I'd wager that's just A BIT faster than Mach 7.
So you think that Quicksilver can run faster than Wonder Woman can fly?
Not all of the speedsters run at the speed of light MM. Heres a lil snippet from starnet:
Superhuman Reflexes: Wonder Woman possesses reflex abilities similar to lower-level speedsters such as Jesse Quick and Max Mercury, somewhere in the range of 8 to 20 times normal human reflexes with concentration. She, however, does not maintain her enhanced speed awareness due to the temporal difficulties such thinking causes her. She seems able to keep up with Jesse Quick, referencing her patron diety of speed and messenger of the gods, Hermes as the source of her powers.
Superspeed: It is unknown how long she can maintain a speedsterÕs average pace (which we clock at approximately 125 mph (2.08 miles/second) to 200 mph (3.3 mile/sec) innercity and 225 mph (3.75 miles/sec) to 500 mph (8.3 miles/sec) over land outside of cities). Since Wonder Woman lacks the speed aura of true speedsters, the environmental effects/disruptions that she causes probably prevent her from utilizing superspeed mobility as a common mode of travel. With bracers forged by Hephastes, Wonder Woman boosts her resistance to injury with her near-indestructible bracers. She is able to deflect attacks that might otherwise cause her considerable injury but she can only deflect attacks she is aware of.
Flight: Wonder Woman is capable of unassisted flight through an as yet unknown but probably magical means. She has been clocked at Mach 3 (2,100 mph, 35 miles per second) in flight and can be presumed to be much faster if she wanted to be. No reliable ceiling is known but atmospheric distubances occur at speeds greater than Mach 10 (7,000 mph, 116 miles/sec) so that is probably her limit in atmosphere as well. Her aerial manuevability is not as developed as aerial combatants such as Hawkman or the Black Condor, but she is a relatively capable aerial combatant as well.
So there you have it. The top flight speed she has pulled off is mach 3 and its presumed she can fly faster but as she has never done so on panel thats speculation and cant be used in battle scenarios here.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Starnet is canon now?You should probably ask Draco for the greatest flying speed feat of Wonder Woman?
Ive been reading Wonder woman for the last 2 years and have yet to see a speed feat beyond what is stated here.
Until theres evidence that disproves these figures i dont see anything wrong with using them as a guideline.
Theyre better than nothing which is what we had before.
She can take all of them, but Rogue and Emma are big question marks. Rogue is psycho-powerful now, having access to all abilities she has ever absorbed; and how can she handle a psychic attack from the ruthless Emma? Invisible Woman, if she can put a forcefield around Diana's head, cutting off her air - but if she is enraged enough she could break through it, overwhelming Sue's willpower.
Originally posted by roughrider
She can take all of them, but Rogue and Emma are big question marks. Rogue is psycho-powerful now, having access to all abilities she has ever absorbed; and how can she handle a psychic attack from the ruthless Emma? Invisible Woman, if she can put a forcefield around Diana's head, cutting off her air - but if she is enraged enough she could break through it, overwhelming Sue's willpower.
Rogue doesn't have those powers anymore.
Currently she has the powers of Sunfire besides her own absorption powers. Nothing else. Wonder Woman has way enough willpower to resist Emma. And Wonder Woman can hold her breath for hours.
She has more than enough raw power to take these guys down, yes.
But is she really reeeeaaallllly fast enough IN BATTLE to take on this large team of people?
She's fast, but not Superman fast.
For example - She Hulk is tough. She's basically a green Wonder Woman without the flight or speed. Agreed - she'll go down fairly quickly, but not instantly. It'll be a coupla seconds of punching from WW to keep her down, unless she just ring outs her.
And if she uses up a coupla seconds, maybe even one second, beating up Shulkster - that's enough for the psykers to tag her. Can she combat two psykers attacking her mind at the same time?
If Wonder Woman plays her cards right in this, if she just stuns the tough characters, leaving them to be taken care of at a later stage, then disposing of the psykers very quickly, then she could win this.
She's got the power, but the problem with fighting a team of people is that they're not gonna be standing still whilst you're smacking one of their mates around. And several of the team-mates only need to think to unleash their powers.
Like I said. she's fast. Very fast. But is she fast enough to take out not ONE but SEVERAL people, before either one of them can think??
Because if just ONE of them has a chance to think, it'll at least slow her down slightly. And once she's slowed down... BAAAAMMMM!!! Double psychic whammy with invisible spears, Rogue punches , lightning and SheHulk kicking her in the face.
It's all about the first second of the fight.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Rogue doesn't have those powers anymore.Currently she has the powers of Sunfire besides her own absorption powers. Nothing else. Wonder Woman has way enough willpower to resist Emma. And Wonder Woman can hold her breath for hours.
Thats speculation DC. Post some scans of WW resisting telepaths.
Also WW may be able to hold her breath for hours but she wouldnt be able to do so whilst being attacked.