Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
She has more than enough raw power to take these guys down, yes.But is she really reeeeaaallllly fast enough IN BATTLE to take on this large team of people?
She's fast, but not Superman fast.
For example - She Hulk is tough. She's basically a green Wonder Woman without the flight or speed. Agreed - she'll go down fairly quickly, but not instantly. It'll be a coupla seconds of punching from WW to keep her down, unless she just ring outs her.
And if she uses up a coupla seconds, maybe even one second, beating up Shulkster - that's enough for the psykers to tag her. Can she combat two psykers attacking her mind at the same time?
If Wonder Woman plays her cards right in this, if she just stuns the tough characters, leaving them to be taken care of at a later stage, then disposing of the psykers very quickly, then she could win this.
She's got the power, but the problem with fighting a team of people is that they're not gonna be standing still whilst you're smacking one of their mates around. And several of the team-mates only need to think to unleash their powers.
Like I said. she's fast. Very fast. But is she fast enough to take out not ONE but SEVERAL people, before either one of them can think??
Because if just ONE of them has a chance to think, it'll at least slow her down slightly. And once she's slowed down... BAAAAMMMM!!! Double psychic whammy with invisible spears, Rogue punches , lightning and SheHulk kicking her in the face.
It's all about the first second of the fight.
Precisely.
With a thought Psylocke or IW can shield the more vulnerable team mates. If that happens then WW goes down.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Isn't it quite a fact that people with high willpower are able to resist telepaths?
Post some scans of WW resisting telepathy/mind control to back up your claims or leave it at that.
High willpower equals resistance not an immunity to telepathy. Emma Frost is an extremely powerful an skilled telepath. Fighting her off will take all of WW's concentration she wouldnt be able to put up a decent fight against the others at the same time.
i love ww, but i don't think she takes them -- at least not the majority. iw's shield has resisted hulk and thor. ww would need to work to get through it. she may be able to resist the psychic attacks, but they would likely still hurt her or give her pause. a combination attack by shehulk and storm as well as sue would certainly hurt her, probably enough for the group to finish it off. i think sue is the proverbial fly in ww's ointment here.
Originally posted by leonidas👆
i love ww, but i don't think she takes them -- at least not the majority. iw's shield has resisted hulk and thor. ww would need to work to get through it. she may be able to resist the psychic attacks, but they would likely still hurt her or give her pause. a combination attack by shehulk and storm as well as sue would certainly hurt her, probably enough for the group to finish it off. i think sue is the proverbial fly in ww's ointment here.
Originally posted by leonidas
i love ww, but i don't think she takes them -- at least not the majority. iw's shield has resisted hulk and thor. ww would need to work to get through it. she may be able to resist the psychic attacks, but they would likely still hurt her or give her pause. a combination attack by shehulk and storm as well as sue would certainly hurt her, probably enough for the group to finish it off. i think sue is the proverbial fly in ww's ointment here.
What if she takes out Sue first?
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
What if she takes out Sue first?
You still have Psylocke who is an extremely powerful telekinetic. With a thought Sues got a shield up around herself. Yes the speed of thought isnt as fast as the Mach speeds WW capable of but you need to remember that the impulses have to travel centimetres if not milimietres as opposed to the the dozens of feet WW would have to travel so it evens out.
Re: Re: Marvel Women vs Wonder Woman
Originally posted by spetznaz
Nice one sis.The winner would depend on how WonderWoman was written. IF written as totally taking advantage of ALL of her skills and abilities, and being totally brutal, then she would win (and most of the people on the Marvel team, eg Elektra, Storm etc etc ...even Rogue) wouldn't even be of the slightest threat if WonderWoman was going all out. She'd be moving so fast for one they couldn't even see her. She'd take them all out easily.
Now the interesting questions would be the telepaths (Emma and Sage ....and it would have to do with their telepathic skills, thus if Emma turned into her diamond form that would be foolish since to WonderWoman that would be basically like stiff cardboard. They would have to hit her mind with theirs). However would that be enough?The question is do they pack the octane to take down a super-fast almost-superman-strong Amazon warrior-goddess streaking at them faster than the eye can see ......and more importantly do they feel lucky?
To be honest with you this battle depends on those 2 ladies, and I'd still give it to WonderWoman.p.s: Now to wait and see how long it takes before someone states that all that needs to happen is for the Invisible Woman to plant an expanding bubble in WonderWoman's bosom .....or was it brain?
Conclusion: Let me put it this way ....if I had a choice of having one protect me from the other (i.e have the Marvel team protecting me from an enraged WonderWoman, or have an enraged WonderWoman protecting me from a determined Marvel team) ....well, I'd rather NOT have an enraged WonderWoman coming after me.
The only reason she doesn't seem that mighty is because the JLA is filled with people who can either shift small planets with might alone, have access to rings and magical hands made of water that can do all sorts of nifty things, or can come up with stratagems to stop Darkseid while driving around in a rocket-powered car. WonderWoman is actually one of the more powerful JLAers out there, and if written to her utmost even Superman would have problems stopping her.This team wouldn't have a prime chance against a truly determined WonderWoman.
However she could also be written whereby Psylocke tags her with her psychic sword ......which really shouldn't happen, but a writer could easily have Storm beating Wonderwoman with lightning (of all things), or have Wolverine beating Lobo, or have ......wait a minute .....I believe there was some silly cross-over (where fans ....or I should say Fanboys) voted, and thus Storm won WW, and Lobo got defeated by Wolvie!
Thus the impossible can occur with the speed it takes for a penciler to draw and an inker to paint, for words to be added, and the printing mill to start churning out next month's copy.
Thus you could see Elektra by herself taking out Martian Manhunter, Superman, and WonderWoman with only her sais , dried toast, and an hour old mocha latte!However, in this case, Wonderwoman SHOULD thrash the Marvel team.
Aw I'm your sis 😄
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Not all of the speedsters run at the speed of light MM. Heres a lil snippet from starnet:Superhuman Reflexes: Wonder Woman possesses reflex abilities similar to lower-level speedsters such as Jesse Quick and Max Mercury, somewhere in the range of 8 to 20 times normal human reflexes with concentration. She, however, does not maintain her enhanced speed awareness due to the temporal difficulties such thinking causes her. She seems able to keep up with Jesse Quick, referencing her patron diety of speed and messenger of the gods, Hermes as the source of her powers.
Superspeed: It is unknown how long she can maintain a speedsterÕs average pace (which we clock at approximately 125 mph (2.08 miles/second) to 200 mph (3.3 mile/sec) innercity and 225 mph (3.75 miles/sec) to 500 mph (8.3 miles/sec) over land outside of cities). Since Wonder Woman lacks the speed aura of true speedsters, the environmental effects/disruptions that she causes probably prevent her from utilizing superspeed mobility as a common mode of travel. With bracers forged by Hephastes, Wonder Woman boosts her resistance to injury with her near-indestructible bracers. She is able to deflect attacks that might otherwise cause her considerable injury but she can only deflect attacks she is aware of.
Flight: Wonder Woman is capable of unassisted flight through an as yet unknown but probably magical means. She has been clocked at Mach 3 (2,100 mph, 35 miles per second) in flight and can be presumed to be much faster if she wanted to be. No reliable ceiling is known but atmospheric distubances occur at speeds greater than Mach 10 (7,000 mph, 116 miles/sec) so that is probably her limit in atmosphere as well. Her aerial manuevability is not as developed as aerial combatants such as Hawkman or the Black Condor, but she is a relatively capable aerial combatant as well.
So there you have it. The top flight speed she has pulled off is mach 3 and its presumed she can fly faster but as she has never done so on panel thats speculation and cant be used in battle scenarios here.
Basically all I read was Wonder Woman holds back?
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Post some scans of WW resisting telepathy/mind control to back up your claims or leave it at that.High willpower equals resistance not an immunity to telepathy. Emma Frost is an extremely powerful an skilled telepath. Fighting her off will take all of WW's concentration she wouldnt be able to put up a decent fight against the others at the same time.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Not all of the speedsters run at the speed of light MM. Heres a lil snippet from starnet:Superhuman Reflexes: Wonder Woman possesses reflex abilities similar to lower-level speedsters such as Jesse Quick and Max Mercury, somewhere in the range of 8 to 20 times normal human reflexes with concentration. She, however, does not maintain her enhanced speed awareness due to the temporal difficulties such thinking causes her. She seems able to keep up with Jesse Quick, referencing her patron diety of speed and messenger of the gods, Hermes as the source of her powers.
Superspeed: It is unknown how long she can maintain a speedsterÕs average pace (which we clock at approximately 125 mph (2.08 miles/second) to 200 mph (3.3 mile/sec) innercity and 225 mph (3.75 miles/sec) to 500 mph (8.3 miles/sec) over land outside of cities). Since Wonder Woman lacks the speed aura of true speedsters, the environmental effects/disruptions that she causes probably prevent her from utilizing superspeed mobility as a common mode of travel. With bracers forged by Hephastes, Wonder Woman boosts her resistance to injury with her near-indestructible bracers. She is able to deflect attacks that might otherwise cause her considerable injury but she can only deflect attacks she is aware of.
Flight: Wonder Woman is capable of unassisted flight through an as yet unknown but probably magical means. She has been clocked at Mach 3 (2,100 mph, 35 miles per second) in flight and can be presumed to be much faster if she wanted to be. No reliable ceiling is known but atmospheric distubances occur at speeds greater than Mach 10 (7,000 mph, 116 miles/sec) so that is probably her limit in atmosphere as well. Her aerial manuevability is not as developed as aerial combatants such as Hawkman or the Black Condor, but she is a relatively capable aerial combatant as well.
So there you have it. The top flight speed she has pulled off is mach 3 and its presumed she can fly faster but as she has never done so on panel thats speculation and cant be used in battle scenarios here.
What I was asking is if you believe Wonder Woman cannot run nor fly faster than Quicksilver? Because I have seen scans where Wonder Woman is keeping up with Jessie Quick, and they're both going extremely fast.
Quicksilver can run in upwards of Mach 10 so far, so that would make him faster than her? Just seems kinda farfetched to me. I've always seen or believed Wonder Woman to be quite fast, like below Superman Speed.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
What I was asking is if you believe Wonder Woman cannot run nor fly faster than Quicksilver? Because I have seen scans where Wonder Woman is keeping up with Jessie Quick, and they're both going extremely fast.Quicksilver can run in upwards of Mach 10 so far, so that would make him faster than her? Just seems kinda farfetched to me. I've always seen or believed Wonder Woman to be quite fast, like below Superman Speed.
Those speeds are still really fast. This bio is a few years old so hopefully Draco will be able to clarify her speed even further. Until then all we have is this bio. Ive been reading WW for 2 years now and i havent seen anything from her to suggest the bio isnt true. 😕