Wolverine's villains Vs Spidermans

Originally posted by jinzin
wha? 🤨

But before Shadow king aas a rogue of both the x-men and more personally storm, but couldn't be considered a nightcrawler rogue, because there was no personal connection. But there was a connection to Storm because he antagonizes her. Showign a personal connection.

But since she has no way to fight him, despite his personal connection to her, he can't be a rogue of Storm.

Much like despite the personal connection between Wolverine and Magneto, since Wolverine can't fight Magneto, he can't be a rogue of wolverine.

Likewise despirte the obviously personal connection between Venom and Spiderman, Since Spiderman can't really fight venome, Venom can't be the rogue of Spiderman.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Again simply an observation that for the most part a rogue is a personal enemy, of which the hero encounters individually, and is capable of at least fighting alone, if not necessarily winning.

^ Correct. Although most of the time, the hero shouldnt beat the villain. Thats where the hero factor comes in.

People have to realize rival, villain/rogue, enemy are all different things.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Again simply an observation that for the most part a rogue is a personal enemy, of which the hero encounters individually, and is capable of at least fighting alone, if not necessarily winning.

And btw I don't expect to sway either of you away from "Magneto is a Wolverine rogue", despite the fact that even that sentence sounds strange. At the beginning of this Cresh was arguing for Magneto being an simply an enemy of Wolverine, which is true because he's an X-Man and Magneto is an X-Men villain. But that's now advanced to Magneto being one of Wolverine's rogues? jinzin stated he didn't think Magneto was one of Wolverine's rogues and yet argues for it anyway?...
Sorry I find the idea laughable, but that's just imo...

You'll note that in my previous respionse, your definitions still aren't good enough to seperate Magneto from Wolverine's rogue gallery.

Originally posted by jrodslam
People have to realize rival, villain/rogue, enemy are all different things.

Doesn't a devil's advocate normally declare their intentions to do so...?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Shadow king is the rogue of Storm . . except oh wait, she can't possibly fight him. So I guess not. . .

But before Shadow king aas a rogue of both the x-men and more personally storm, but couldn't be considered a nightcrawler rogue, because there was no personal connection. But there was a connection to Storm because he antagonizes her. Showign a personal connection.

But since she has no way to fight him, despite his personal connection to her, he can't be a rogue of Storm.

And again these being simple observations rather than strict rules, I'm approaching this in the same way I did my definition of omega mutant.

Originally posted by Creshosk
And the tricky task of drawing lines that distinguish them is still not complete. As you'll note two posts ago from me.

I dont know why it isnt.

Example....

Namor's rogues are - Attuma, Warlord Krang, Llyra

Namor's rivals are - Hulk, Reed, Thing

Namor's enemies are - Dr.Doom, Dormmamu(sp?)

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Again simply an observation that for the most part a rogue is a personal enemy, of which the hero encounters individually, and is capable of at least fighting alone, if not necessarily winning.

And btw I don't expect to sway either of you away from "Magneto is a Wolverine rogue", despite the fact that even that sentence sounds strange. At the beginning of this Cresh was arguing for Magneto being an simply an enemy of Wolverine, which is true because he's an X-Man and Magneto is an X-Men villain. But that's now advanced to Magneto being one of Wolverine's rogues? jinzin stated he didn't think Magneto was one of Wolverine's rogues and yet argues for it anyway?...
Sorry I find the idea laughable, but that's just imo...

where exaclty do you see me arguing that magneto is indeed his rogue? 🤨

I've asserted that magneto may certainly appear as such to other people...

you're the one who keeps bringing up the word rogue. As I said, I don't think he is one, but he certainly is a rival, and a villain to wolverine. To argue otherwise is to ignore the history they share... where you're getting that I think he's a wolvie rogue from I don't know...

just tying to attack some more points you THOUGHT I made eh? 😉

Another example

Wolverine's rogues are - Omega Red, Sabertooth, Silver Samurai

Wolverine's rivals are - Hulk, Cyclops, Spiderman(maybe)

Wolverines enemies are - Magneto, Juggernaut, Fitzroy, Black Tom.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Shadow king is the rogue of Storm . . except oh wait, she can't possibly fight him. So I guess not. . .

But before Shadow king aas a rogue of both the x-men and more personally storm, but couldn't be considered a nightcrawler rogue, because there was no personal connection. But there was a connection to Storm because he antagonizes her. Showign a personal connection.

But since she has no way to fight him, despite his personal connection to her, he can't be a rogue of Storm.

Much like despite the personal connection between Wolverine and Magneto, since Wolverine can't fight Magneto, he can't be a rogue of wolverine.

Likewise despirte the obviously personal connection between Venom and Spiderman, Since Spiderman can't really fight venome, Venom can't be the rogue of Spiderman.

ahhh I see...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Doesn't a devil's advocate normally declare their intentions to do so...?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
He's confronted her while in possession of a physical body, at which time she has fought him using her various abilities.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
And again these being simple observations rather than strict rules, I'm approaching this in the same way I did my definition of omega mutant.

Originally posted by jinzin
where exaclty do you see me arguing that magneto is indeed his rogue? 🤨

I've asserted that magneto may certainly appear as such to other people...

you're the one who keeps bringing up the word rogue. As I said, I don't think he is one, but he certainly is a rival, and a villain to wolverine. To argue otherwise is to ignore the history they share... where you're getting that I think he's a wolvie rogue from I don't know...

Originally posted by jinzin
just tying to attack some more points you THOUGHT I made eh? 😉

Originally posted by jrodslam
Another example

Wolverine's rogues are - Omega Red, Sabertooth, Silver Samurai

Wolverine's rivals are - Hulk, Cyclops, Spiderman(maybe)

Wolverines enemies are - Magneto, Juggernaut, Fitzroy, Black Tom.

That definition still doesn't work.

Rules shadow king out of Storm's gallery.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Again simply an observation that for the most part a rogue is a personal enemy, of which the hero encounters individually, and is capable of at least fighting alone, if not necessarily winning.

just a flaw to your argument:

relationship tween mags and wolvs= personal
wolverine=capible of fighting mags..

hmmmm

hulk? same damned thing....

Originally posted by Creshosk
Read my 5462026 post?

That definition still doesn't work.

Rules shadow king out of Storm's gallery.

What?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Doesn't a devil's advocate normally declare their intentions to do so...?
He's confronted her while in possession of a physical body, at which time she has fought him using her various abilities.

much in the same fasion wolverine HAS fought magneto...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
....Creshosk is arguing he is a rogue...

Originally posted by jrodslam
Another example

Wolverine's rogues are - Omega Red, Sabertooth, Silver Samurai

Wolverine's rivals are - Hulk, Cyclops, Spiderman(maybe)

Wolverines enemies are - Magneto, Juggernaut, Fitzroy, Black Tom.

but what do we consider a villain?

Creshosk, why dont you give example of ones rogue, rival and enemy.

I thought i explained the difference pretty well.

Originally posted by jinzin
but what do we consider a villain?

A villain is a bad guy.

Originally posted by jrodslam
What?

Should be like the first or one of my first posts on this page.

With the current definitions:
Venom is not a Spiderman rogue. -Bad
Shadow king is not a Storm rouge. -Bad
Magneto is not a Wolverine rogue - Good.

The definitions are currently defunct.