Storm fighting Shadow King's physical body with lightning when she's resistant to mental manipulation and his physical body is essentially a normal human being to manage to barely escape is the same as Wolverine managing to stab Magneto, despite the fact that Magneto should turn him inside out with a thought?
Originally posted by jrodslamSorry, but it really doesn't work. You've ruled out characters that are part of a characters rogue gallery, despite succeeding at removing Wolverine from magnetos.
Creshosk, why dont you give example of ones rogue, rival and enemy.I thought i explained the difference pretty well.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
....Creshosk is arguing he is a rogue...
is he though? 😕
I've read the thread from the start and thus far it seems he's only finding flaws in your arguments that make said arguments contradictive and then simply pointing them out to you. I've yet to read where he's stated to think magneto IS A WOLVERINE ROGUE....
but perhaps I am mistaken, feel free to correct me if I am... (or perhaps you are just making more of those nasty assumptions.. 😉..)
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
....you are arguing in support... thus I assumed...
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indeed you did.. perhaps you should rethink what exactly your arguing against nex time you try...
Originally posted by xmarksthespotHow does Storm fight Shadow king when he only has an astral form? How does she fight him when he's possesing one of her teammates, collosus for example.
Storm fighting Shadow King's physical body with lightning when she's resistant to mental manipulation and his physical body is essentially a normal human being to manage to barely escape is the same as Wolverine managing to stab Magneto, despite the fact that Magneto should turn him inside out with a thought?
Attacking either would be futile as she'd either not hit him as he's on the astral plane, or only hurt her teammate.
Bit of a problem for "has to be able to fight him" definition.
Originally posted by jinzinI profile people based upon their past posts. You tend to support Wolverine on most matters. Cresh tends to argue for the sake of argument, which is fine because otherwise this would be boring.
is he though? 😕I've read the thread from the start and thus far it seems he's only finding flaws in your arguments that make said arguments contradictive and then simply pointing them out to you. I've yet to read where he's stated to think magneto IS A WOLVERINE ROGUE....
but perhaps I am mistaken, feel free to correct me if I am... (or perhaps you are just making more of those nasty assumptions.. 😉..)
indeed you did.. perhaps you should rethink what exactly your arguing against nex time you try...
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Storm fighting Shadow King's physical body with lightning when she's resistant to mental manipulation and his physical body is essentially a normal human being to manage to barely escape is the same as Wolverine managing to stab Magneto, despite the fact that Magneto should turn him inside out with a thought?
so then you are arguing PIS which is irrelivent to the debate since the relationships of the characters in question come from the books and the causes effects and consequences of the feats their in? hmmmm.
Originally posted by jrodslam
A "Rogue" for example is a hero's presonal villain.Example Flash rouge is Captain Cold. Superman rogue is Lex Luthor, Batman's is Joker, Green Lantern is Sinestro.
All bad guys are villains.
Lex Luthor would also be considered a JLA villain/enemy. Eventhough hes one of Superman's rogues.
guess someone missed my posts about the personal relationship tween mags and logan eh?
Originally posted by jinzin
right... so magneto's a badguy.. he fits in the list then?
Ofcourse. Theres not doubt that hes one of Wolverines enemies as well as the X-Men . However hes not one of Wolverine's "rogues" Like Sabertooth or Omega Red.
Hulk would be one of Wolverines rivals. They fight on occasion, then team up. Theres a misunderstanding, then they fight.
Much like Hulk and Namor. Hulk and Thing.
Originally posted by jrodslamTeam up? hmm . . not as often as they fight. . Cyclops and Spiderman are rivals. . Hulk is still an enemy, mindless and savage at least. . .
Ofcourse. Theres not doubt that hes one of Wolverines enemies as well as the X-Men . However hes not one of Wolverine's "rogues" Like Sabertooth or Omega Red.Hulk would be one of Wolverines rivals. They fight on occasion, then team up. Theres a misunderstanding, then they fight.
Much like Hulk and Namor. Hulk and Thing.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I profile people based upon their past posts. You tend to support Wolverine on most matters. Cresh tends to argue for the sake of argument, which is fine because otherwise this would be boring.
I only try to give wolverine credit where his credit is due.. on this board, with this many wolvie haters that may as well be a full time job...
but I already asserted my opinion in my first post in here... still, you assumed it was different in spite of that... 😕
Originally posted by jrodslam
Ofcourse. Theres not doubt that hes one of Wolverines enemies as well as the X-Men . However hes not one of Wolverine's "rogues" Like Sabertooth or Omega Red.Hulk would be one of Wolverines rivals. They fight on occasion, then team up. Theres a misunderstanding, then they fight.
Much like Hulk and Namor. Hulk and Thing.
first off hulk as made it abundantly clear he doesn't like wolverine.. wolverine as in turn replied with equivolent animosity.
and second, yes you're correct.. but whether he is a rogue is of little relevance. The thread is about their villains.. the definition of rogue doesn't matter so much right now as does the definition of a villain...
Originally posted by CreshoskPlease. She has managed to escape him. She can fight his physical form, cause him pain without the need of plot device. Sufficient damage to his host sends Shadow King mind back if I recall but may be mistaken. Like I said, not necessarily win but at least be able to survive for a bit. How does that equate to Wolverine stabbing Magneto. Do elaborate how without PIS/CIS Wolverine survives any fight with Magneto for more than a fraction of a second?
How does Storm fight Shadow king when he only has an astral form? How does she fight him when he's possesing one of her teammates, collosus for example.Attacking either would be futile as she'd either not hit him as he's on the astral plane, or only hurt her teammate.
Bit of a problem for "has to be able to fight him" definition.
This is a factor. Other rogues the likes of Deathstrike, Sabes, OR, he can fight if not always win. Magneto is a glaring outlier in that in a well-written scene Wolverine would never actually manage to fight let alone be able to win.
I don't get why people who prefer to argue for Wolverine always assume anyone saying Wolverine isn't a particular thing, or Wolverine can't do a particular thing, is a "Wolverine-hater."
Originally posted by jinzinTwister intended Rogue's Gallery vs Rogue's Gallery
first off hulk as made it abundantly clear he doesn't like wolverine.. wolverine as in turn replied with equivolent animosity.and second, yes you're correct.. but whether he is a rogue is of little relevance. The thread is about their villains.. the definition of rogue doesn't matter so much right now as does the definition of a villain...
Originally posted by xmarksthespotBecause of the part of my post you dodged.
Please. She has managed to escape him. She can fight his physical form, cause him pain without the need of plot device. Sufficient damage to his host sends Shadow King mind back if I recall but may be mistaken. Like I said, not necessarily win but at least be able to survive for a bit. How does that equate to Wolverine stabbing Magneto. Do elaborate how without PIS/CIS Wolverine survives any fight with Magneto for more than a fraction of a second?
How does she fight him since he lost the physical body?
How does she fight him:
Originally posted by xmarksthespotAnd this still doesn't answer my question:
This is a factor. Other rogues the likes of Deathstrike, Sabes, OR, he can fight if not always win. Magneto is a glaring outlier in that in a well-written scene Wolverine would never actually manage to fight let alone be able to win.
As he is now, how does she fight him?
Originally posted by xmarksthespotBecause there is alot of it, neither Jinzin nor I are saying that you hate him.
I don't get why people who prefer to argue for Wolverine always assume anyone saying Wolverine isn't a particular thing, or Wolverine can't do a particular thing, is a "Wolverine-hater."
But you can't deny the animosity towards him is pretty high.
Originally posted by jinzin
first off hulk as made it abundantly clear he doesn't like wolverine.. wolverine as in turn replied with equivolent animosity.and second, yes you're correct.. but whether he is a rogue is of little relevance. The thread is about their villains.. the definition of rogue doesn't matter so much right now as does the definition of a villain...
Ok so they dont like each other. So. Namor and Hulk dont like each other as well. They are rivals of each other moreso that villains of each other.
And you say the thread is about "THEIR VILLAINS" meaning rogue?
The definition if a villains is a bad guy. If you say "Hulks villains", id only assume you mean one of Hulk's rogues.
Just like if i say one of supermans villains, most people will name, Luthor, Bizzaro, Brainiac. I doubt theyd name Joker, Sinestro or Zoom as one of Superman's "villains".
Originally posted by Creshosklol Irony of ironies... 😄 no I don't hate him... I actually quite like him in comics, if written well he's a really great character... I like him a hell of a lot more than Bishop, Gambit, Jubilee (😏). I argue against things when they just seem "off" to me e.g. SF's Storm, the Thing and his heart, the impregnable spider-sense... but apparently it can locate things as well as sonar (🤨?)... that doesn't mean I have any animosity towards Storm, or Thing, or Wolverine or any character I argue against. Like I said earlier if everyone always agreed this would just be boring.
Because there is alot of it, neither Jinzin nor I are saying that you hate him.But you can't deny the animosity towards him is pretty high.