Originally posted by jrodslamNot like Namor and hulk.
Ok so they dont like each other. So. Namor and Hulk dont like each other as well. They are rivals of each other moreso that villains of each other.
Attack each other on site is Enemy, not rival.
Rival is "I can tolerate your presence."
Enemy is "HULK SMASH LITTLE MAN!"
Originally posted by xmarksthespotWhat was unexpected?
lol Irony of ironies...
Originally posted by xmarksthespotYeah. the people who really hate him are fairly easy to spot if you know what to look for.
😄 no I don't hate him... I actually quite like him in comics, if written well he's a really great character... I like him a hell of a lot more than Bishop, Gambit,
Originally posted by xmarksthespotNobody's perfect. 😛 Especially around here. 😖hifty:
Jubilee (😏).
Except for Digi. 😄
Originally posted by xmarksthespot✅
I argue against things when they just seem "off" to me e.g. SF's Storm, the Thing and his heart, the impregnable spider-sense... but apparently it can locate things as well as sonar (🤨?)... that doesn't mean I have any animosity towards Storm, or Thing, or Wolverine or any character I argue against. Like I said earlier if everyone always agreed this would just be boring.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Twister intended Rogue's Gallery vs Rogue's Gallery
which quickly changed due to the types of arguments we're having right now....
as I said.. we need A) a definition to work with
and B) a definitive rogues list everyone can agree on...
or C) more assertion from the thread maker...
Originally posted by jrodslam
Ok so they dont like each other. So. Namor and Hulk dont like each other as well. They are rivals of each other moreso that villains of each other.And you say the thread is about "THEIR VILLAINS" meaning rogue?
The definition if a villains is a bad guy. If you say "Hulks villains", id only assume you mean one of Hulk's rogues.
Just like if i say one of supermans villains, most people will name, Luthor, Bizzaro, Brainiac. I doubt theyd name Joker, Sinestro or Zoom as one of Superman's "villains".
which is why I continously ask for a definition to work with, we're ALL using assumptions as to WHOM we should use here, with differing ideals as to why...
Originally posted by Creshosk
Not like Namor and hulk.Attack each other on site is Enemy, not rival.
Rival is "I can tolerate your presence."
Enemy is "HULK SMASH LITTLE MAN!"
Like i stated in some of my previous posts, usually there is also a type of misunderstanding between Hulk and many of the other heroes he fights. Fighting due to a misunderstanding or mind control, i wouldnt call that being enemies.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Like i stated in some of my previous posts, usually there is also a type of misunderstanding between Hulk and many of the other heroes he fights. Fighting due to a misunderstanding or mind control, i wouldnt call that being enemies.
no misunderstand OR mind control in 😖ix hours, incredible hulk 425, incredible hulk 340, incredible hulk 181, 182.
You assumed animosity. The irony being despite that I often argue against him, and there is perceived animosity, no such animosity exists. Okay so it wasn't that much of an irony...
Originally posted by CreshoskOkay reasons why I just feel it's strange to say "Magneto is a Wolverine rogue"
Because of the part of my post you dodged.How does she fight him since he lost the physical body?
How does she fight him:
And this still doesn't answer my question:
http://images.google.com/images?q=shadow+king+marvel&svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2005-39%2CGGLG%3AenAs he is now, how does she fight him?
Magneto in comparison to others most consider his rogues e.g. OR, Deathstrike, Sabretooth.
1. They've never had a real one-on-one fight to my recollection. And it's obvious to anyone who isn't daft that Wolverine is incapable of actually fighting Magneto.
2. They're personal history isn't as intricately intertwined. A single event occured that changed Wolverine's powerset for a short period that was later retconned.
3. The "rogue" in question rarely if ever has intentions to antagonises Wolverine directly.
4. The "rogue" in question has fought alongside the hero. =>which is more alluding to jrod's definitions than to my examples.
Originally posted by jrodslamThey fight each other on sight.
Like i stated in some of my previous posts, usually there is also a type of misunderstanding between Hulk and many of the other heroes he fights. Fighting due to a misunderstanding or mind control, i wouldnt call that being enemies.
The only misunderstanding is generally, You're still alive?! I gotta change that.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotI ddin't assume animosity from you. (even though that could be easy to assume based on some of the threads you create. 😖hifty:
You assumed animosity. The irony being despite that I often argue against him, and there is perceived animosity, no such animosity exists. Okay so it wasn't that much of an irony...
Okay reasons why I just feel it's strange to say "Magneto is a Wolverine rogue"
Originally posted by xmarksthespotStorm can't fight ethereal beings, How does she fight Shadow King?
Magneto in comparison to others most consider his rogues e.g. OR, Deathstrike, Sabretooth.
1. They've never had a real one-on-one fight to my recollection. And it's obvious to anyone who isn't daft that Wolverine is incapable of actually fighting Magneto.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotBut their personal history wasn't. A single event can change the way you feel about a person, be it finding out someone you loved benefited from your father's stolen work, or someone killing your loved ones. . .
2. They're personal history isn't as intricately intertwined. A single event occured that changed Wolverine's powerset for a short period that was later retconned.
Cookies if you figure out who those two are.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotMagneto?
3. The "rogue" in question rarely if ever has intentions to antagonises Wolverine directly.
Odd requirement as sometimes like in a certain characters case they only fight if they see each other. You're not going to guess who that is because I've used that phrase for another character.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotWouldn't that remove Magneto from Xavier's gallery?
4. The "rogue" in question has fought alongside the hero. =>which is more alluding to jrod's definitions than to my examples.
As well as one of Wolverine's rogues is also removed.
Originally posted by jinzin
which is why I continously ask for a definition to work with, we're ALL using assumptions as to WHOM we should use here, with differing ideals as to why...
Hey man i dont know what to say about this anyomore. I mean technically, Hulk nor Mags would/should be a "Wolverine specific" villain. Thats what a rogue is. If the threadmaker meant that, then myself personally wouldnt consider them that. Rivals and/or enemies, yes why not. But for me to say that Hulk and Magneto are rogues of Wolverine like Sabertooth and Omega Red are would be rediculous on my part. If others see it differently, then to each his/her own.
By reading any of Magneto or Hulks bio's, Wolverine is never mentioned as a top enemy of either. Not even an enemy save for saying how Mags tore the adamantim out of Wolverine who happens to be his nemesis's Prof.X's X-Man.
Originally posted by jrodslamSo Hulk doesn't have Wolverine in his gallery. . but Wolverine Bios pretty strongly mention a VERY important hulk comic.
Hey man i dont know what to say about this anyomore. I mean technically, Hulk nor Mags would/should be a "Wolverine specific" villain. Thats what a rogue is. If the threadmaker meant that, then myself personally wouldnt consider them that. Rivals and/or enemies, yes why not. But for me to say that Hulk and Magneto are rogues of Wolverine like Sabertooth and Omega Red are would be rediculous on my part. If others see it differently, then to each his/her own.By reading any of Magneto or Hulks bio's, Wolverine is never mentioned as a top enemy of either. Not even an enemy save for saying how Mags tore the adamantim out of Wolverine who happens to be his nemesis's Prof.X's X-Man.
The Incredible Hulk #180 😛
Kinda hard to really remove each other based on that alone.
Originally posted by CreshoskATHF rule.
I ddin't assume animosity from you. (even though that could be easy to assume based on some of the threads you create. 😖hifty:
Originally posted by CreshoskNew game.
Storm can't fight ethereal beings, How does she fight Shadow King?
Originally posted by CreshoskAgain new game. Xavier is irrelevant.
Odd requirement as sometimes like in a certain characters case they only fight if they see each other. You're not going to guess who that is because I've used that phrase for another character.
Wouldn't that remove Magneto from Xavier's gallery?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot😆 Among others. Yes ATHF rule. 🙂
ATHF rule.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotFunny thing is it's not Wolverine's other rogues I've been comparing Mags to for testing observations. It's been other characters.
[BNew game.
One of these things is not like the others,
One of these things just doesn't belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?
Comparison of Magneto to Wolverine's other rogues... thought you would have picked up on it..
Again new game. Xavier is irrelevant. [/B]
When defining what constitutes a rogue, no character is irrelevant.
Originally posted by Creshosk
So Hulk doesn't have Wolverine in his gallery. . but Wolverine Bios pretty strongly mention a VERY important hulk comic.The Incredible Hulk #180 😛
Kinda hard to really remove each other based on that alone.
That doesnt mean much to me because in all of Namors bio's he made his first modern appearance in Fantastic Four #4 as the villain. Does that mean hes a Fantastic Four villain? Nope.
Originally posted by CreshoskYeh but Sesame St rules too.... hav work to do but eagerly anticipate returning to see what becomes of this thread....
😆 Among others. Yes ATHF rule. 🙂Funny thing is it's not Wolverine's other rogues I've been comparing Mags to for testing observations. It's been other characters.
When defining what constitutes a rogue, no character is irrelevant.
Originally posted by jrodslamHas he continued to fight htem for no reason other than they hatte each other?
That doesnt mean much to me because in all of Namors bio's he made his first modern appearance in Fantastic Four #4 as the villain. Does that mean hes a Fantastic Four villain? Nope.
No?
Bad comparison.
And was that "modern appearence" his "first appearence ever"?
No?
I fail to see a decent comparison on two points.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Has he continued to fight htem for no reason other than they hatte each other?No?
Actually yes. He hates Reed. And Thing is always defending Reed, so....
Originally posted by Creshosk
Bad comparison.
Not really.
Originally posted by Creshosk
And was that "modern appearence" his "first appearence ever"?No?
It would have to be the modern appearance because in his first, there were no Marvel characters 😆
Originally posted by Creshosk
I fail to see a decent comparison on two points.
Then im afraid i cant help you. 🙁