Marvel Hierarchy revised as of December 2005

Originally posted by demigawd
Phoenix doesn't bring death, it brings the end of the cycle, which is different from death, the same way Oblivion is a separate abstract from Death, despite the fact that they are both forms of "the end".

Put it this way - if the Phoenix Force wanted Thanos removed from creation, it wouldn't have to kill Thanos, and thus Death's protection would have nothing to do with it.

If that were the case, then why does it always have such a hard time executing it's will? It's been destroyed, manipulated, and imprisoned.

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
If that were the case, then why does it always have such a hard time executing it's will? It's been destroyed, manipulated, and imprisoned.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Because you're having problems making a distinction between "phoenix Force" and a manifestation of the phoenix in the physical plane.

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
No, the statement made it clear that if the PF didn't want Thanos to exist, he wouldn't. How would it accomplish that?

I thought Demi's post was pretty clear.

The universe is like a human body. Argueing that the Phoenix Force is more important than Eternity, Death, or LT, is like saying that a heart is more important than a brain or spine. In order for the universe to exist, each part is as important as the others.

Try re-reading the guide and history of the PF again.

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
No, the statement made it clear that if the PF didn't want Thanos to exist, he wouldn't. How would it accomplish that?

The same way an avatar was able to sever and rewrite a timeline in the 616.

Jean is a host, not an avatar. A prime host, but a host none the less.

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
The universe is like a human body. Argueing that the Phoenix Force is more important than Eternity, Death, or LT, is like saying that a heart is more important than a brain or spine. In order for the universe to exist, each part is as important as the others.

Appearently you don't grasp the concept of importance. . .

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
Jean is a host, not an avatar. A prime host, but a host none the less.

Originally posted by Creshosk
You or I are as important as an LT or Eternity that would exist for us? So if I should cease to exist, the universe would cease to exist?

Appearently you don't grasp the concept of importance. . .

I think he does and you don't, everything that has an end must have a beginning! and vice versa! Doh

Originally posted by Creshosk
You or I are as important as an LT or Eternity that would exist for us? So if I should cease to exist, the universe would cease to exist?

Appearently you don't grasp the concept of importance. . .

The Phoenix Force can wield it's energy to project beams of immense concussive force, as well as transmigrate throughout time and space by folding its energy back into itself, causing it to collapse akin to a black hole, then it reforms itself upon reaching it's destination, like the Phoenix of Earth legend.

While possessing a human host, the Force is able to augment any super-powers they have to vastly higher levels.

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
No, it is you that missunderstands. [b]Your death or my death would be the same as the death of a single blood cell.

The Phoenix Force can wield it's energy to project beams of immense concussive force, as well as transmigrate throughout time and space by folding its energy back into itself, causing it to collapse akin to a black hole, then it reforms itself upon reaching it's destination, like the Phoenix of Earth legend.

While possessing a human host, the Force is able to augment any super-powers they have to vastly higher levels. [/B]

Exactly no need for theories its all here

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
No, it is you that missunderstands. [b]Your death or my death would be the same as the death of a single blood cell. [/b]

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
[BThe Phoenix Force can wield it's energy to project beams of immense concussive force,[/]b

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
as well as transmigrate throughout time and space by folding its energy back into itself, causing it to collapse akin to a black hole, then it reforms itself upon reaching it's destination, like the Phoenix of Earth legend.

While possessing a human host, the Force is able to augment any super-powers they have to vastly higher levels.

That's the problem, you fail to understand the distinction between it existing on the physical plain and when it's not.

Originally posted by Splatterpuss
Exactly no need for theories its all here

Seriously, if you fial to make that distinction, then when you interchangably use "phoenix force" and Phoenix" when talking about the tywo different things then all you yourselves are doing is putting out theroy which contradicts what is right there in the handbook. . .

Originally posted by Creshosk
THen why put them out?

Seriously, if you fial to make that distinction, then when you interchangably use "phoenix force" and Phoenix" when talking about the tywo different things then all you yourselves are doing is putting out theroy which contradicts what is right there in the handbook. . .

Are you a girl? you have a fiminine sig. 🙂 Are you up for it girly?

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
The universe is like a human body. Argueing that the Phoenix Force is more important than Eternity, Death, or LT, is like saying that a heart is more important than a brain or spine. In order for the universe to exist, each part is as important as the others.

I see what you're saying in that different parts of the body are equally important, but the analogy is unsound, because not all of these entities are part of the same body (the universe or the multi-verse).

There is "creation" - TOAA, PF and LT can all exist independently of anything else....they just don't have anything to do. The rest of the multiverse could end, and they would all still exist.

*note, there is some ambiguity over whether LT is a multiversal being considering he was taken down by Heart of the UNIVERSE. It could be possible that there's a Multi-LT.

There's the "multiverse" - again, TOAA, LT and PF all exist independently of that.

There's the "universe" - Multi-Eternity also exists independently of the universe. If a universe is destroyed, Multi-Eternity endures.

So the conclusion is that while it's true that each of these entities play equally important roles in sustaining LIFE, they are not co-dependent the way the heart, lungs, brain, etc. are.

Originally posted by Splatterpuss
Are you a girl? you have a fiminine sig. 🙂 Are you up for it girly?

Hey it's your logic which lead me to bealive you are a brainless moron, sock.

They are codependant, I am sure at least one person has theorised this🙂

Originally posted by demigawd
I see what you're saying in that different parts of the body are equally important, but the analogy is unsound, because not all of these entities are part of the same body (the universe or the multi-verse).

There is "creation" - TOAA, PF and LT can all exist independently of anything else....they just don't have anything to do. The rest of the multiverse could end, and they would all still exist.

*note, there is some ambiguity over whether LT is a multiversal being considering he was taken down by Heart of the UNIVERSE. It could be possible that there's a Multi-LT.

There's the "multiverse" - again, TOAA, LT and PF all exist independently of that.

There's the "universe" - Multi-Eternity also exists independently of the universe. If a universe is destroyed, Multi-Eternity endures.

So the conclusion is that while it's true that each of these entities play equally important roles in sustaining LIFE, they are not co-dependent the way the heart, lungs, brain, etc. are.

Another thing of course is not every body part is as important as the others.

Appendix, fingers one of the kidneys, the eyes. . . etc etc.