Marvel Hierarchy revised as of December 2005

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
imply

Gee I thought there was no need for theories because everything was right there. . . things that are implied are not actually said. . . guess that whole thing is just your theory isn't it?

And you're STILL not making the distincition between the indestructable imortal phoenix force and the manifestation that is tapping iinto the energy eresevrves of unborn generations. . .

Funny that.

Originally posted by Splatterpuss
Eventually all Universes die cuty 🙂 you should understand that.

Oh, no, they don't.

All Universes die girl, of course they do, your so sexy when you try to be brainy 😉

Originally posted by Splatterpuss
All Universes die girl, of course they do, your so sexy when you try to be brainy 😉

Splatterpuss his not a girl - his a guy 😆

A guy with a sissy sig 😂

I feel All dirty E.G. what kind of guy has a sissy sig

A sissy? maybe 😄

Of course that must be it 😂

A sissy

Why does everybody mess with Cresh? We WERE having a good discussion....

Universes end, even multiverses can end. But the creation cycle continues independently of them. The Phoenix Force is unaffected by that, though the manifestation of that Phoenix ends with the end of that universe, and the Phoenix Force (outside the multiverse) puts another "egg" in its place, starting the process I identified all over again.

Ahh fuk it....nobody is listening anymore anyway. 🙁

Originally posted by demigawd
Why does everybody mess with Cresh? We WERE having a good discussion....

Universes end, even multiverses can end. But the creation cycle continues independently of them. The Phoenix Force is unaffected by that, though the manifestation of that Phoenix ends with the end of that universe, and the Phoenix Force (outside the multiverse) puts another "egg" in its place, starting the process I identified all over again.

Ahh fuk it....nobody is listening anymore anyway. 🙁

The phrase the end of creation springs to mind.

This is the Force itself, not the personification:

Born of the void between states of being, the Phoenix Force is a child of the universe. In the dying moments of the previous universe, the Force saved all existence from eternal damnation, enabling Eternity to preserve the humanoid Galan, ensuring his re-creation as Galactus.
The Force was subsequently reborn from the cosmic fires of the “Big Bang.”

PLACE OF BIRTH: Big Bang

OCCUPATION: Celestial elemental

The Phoenix Force is an immortal, indestructible, and mutable manifestation of the prime universal force of life, dirived from the psyches of all living beings. In it's natural state, this life-cycle is enough to sustain the Force.

Whenever the PF does anything other than simply follow it's intended purpose of the wellspring of life, it destroys future life.

You don't seem to understand. There's the Phoenix Force, the Phoenix Force Manifested, and the Phoenix Force within a host body.

Originally posted by Splatterpuss
The phrase the end of creation springs to mind.

The end of creation isn't cyclical. It happens when TOAA decides it, or if Wanda's Chaos Wave goes beyond even the multiverse! (but she's got it like that 😉)

Originally posted by demigawd
The end of creation isn't cyclical. It happens when TOAA decides it, or if Wanda's Chaos Wave goes beyond even the multiverse! (but she's got it like that 😉)

And he uses death to end it - the death of creation. The end of All🙂

Originally posted by demigawd
Why does everybody mess with Cresh? We WERE having a good discussion....

Universes end, even multiverses can end. But the creation cycle continues independently of them. The Phoenix Force is unaffected by that, though the manifestation of that Phoenix ends with the end of that universe, and the Phoenix Force (outside the multiverse) puts another "egg" in its place, starting the process I identified all over again.

Ahh fuk it....nobody is listening anymore anyway. 🙁

But that's just it. It isn't a manifestation that dies and is reborn in the creation cycle, it is the Force itself.

In it's natural state, this life-cycle is enough to sustain the Force.

Death and rebirth. It is the very essence of the Phoenix Force.

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
This is the Force itself, not the personification:

Born of the void between states of being, the Phoenix Force is a child of the universe. In the dying moments of the previous universe, the Force saved all existence from eternal damnation, enabling Eternity to preserve the humanoid Galan, ensuring his re-creation as Galactus.
The Force was subsequently reborn from the cosmic fires of the “Big Bang.”

PLACE OF BIRTH: Big Bang

OCCUPATION: Celestial elemental

The Phoenix Force is an immortal, indestructible, and mutable manifestation of the prime universal force of life, dirived from the psyches of all living beings. In it's natural state, this life-cycle is enough to sustain the Force.

Whenever the PF does [b]anything other than simply follow it's intended purpose of the wellspring of life, it destroys future life.

You don't seem to understand. There's the Phoenix Force, the Phoenix Force Manifested, and the Phoenix Force within a host body. [/B]

I'm not sure if this post was addressed to me, but if so, I agree. I already made the distinction between the Phoenix Force, the Manifestation of the Phoenix, and the Avatar (Host) who taps into the Manifestation's power.

Originally posted by Splatterpuss
And he uses death to end it - the death of creation. The end of All🙂

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
But that's just it. It isn't a manifestation that dies and is reborn in the creation cycle, it is the Force itself.

In it's natural state, this life-cycle is enough to sustain the Force.

Death and rebirth. It is the very essence of the Phoenix Force.

Both of you are incorrectly using the word "death". It's not death as embodied by the abstract entity Death, it's the end of the cycle...that includes the end of death, and the end of things that aren't alive, and the end of things that aren't subject to death.

It's not the Force itself that dies and is reborn, because the Force is independent of the universe. The Force resides in the White Hot Room. Universes die every picosecond....are you saying that the Phoenix Force itself dies every picosecond? It's impossible....it's self-perpetuating. It's only that universe's manifestation that dies. The PF is safely inside the White Hot Room.

Originally posted by demigawd
Why does everybody mess with Cresh? We WERE having a good discussion....

You're trying to bend what the handbook says to fit your own views.

In it's natural state, this life-cycle is enough to sustain the Force.

Born of the void between states of being

The Force was subsequently reborn from the cosmic fires of the “Big Bang.”

Originally posted by demigawd
Both of you are incorrectly using the word "death". It's not death as embodied by the abstract entity Death, it's the end of the cycle...that includes the end of death, and the end of things that aren't alive, and the end of things that aren't subject to death.

It's not the Force itself that dies and is reborn, because the Force is independent of the universe. The Force resides in the White Hot Room. Universes die every picosecond....are you saying that the Phoenix Force itself dies every picosecond? It's impossible....it's self-perpetuating. It's only that universe's manifestation that dies. The PF is safely inside the White Hot Room.

We only have one listed instance of the PF going to the White Hot room.

this debate can never be resolved...simple fact is people will never accept phoenix to be that powerfull whereas other are, quite easy solution really contact marvel and ask them exactly wat the PF is suppose to be...cuz right now everyone is jus goin by their own views

I'm not bending the handbook. The handbook fits in with what I'm saying perfectly.

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
You're trying to bend what the handbook says to fit your own views.

In it's natural state, this life-cycle is enough to sustain the Force.

Born of the void between states of being

The Force was subsequently reborn from the cosmic fires of the “Big Bang.”

These points, while well and good, don't address the larger question of the multiverse. It makes no mention of it, but of course we know that there is a multiverse, and we know that there's a white hot room which is independent of it. These points don't address that, and that's what we're discussing.

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
We only have one listed instance of the PF going to the White Hot room.

Because the Marvel Universe's focus is 616.