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Can we close this?

party pooper...

Originally posted by Flame On!!
A History of Steroid use in sport.

Steroids in Olympics
Just prior to the ban on steroids in the Olympics, the German Democratic Republic (GDR) began a program with the goals of synthesizing new anabolic steroids for their athletes to use in various sports. Their body of research remains the most extensive collection of information on the use of steroids in athletes ever complied (5). Despite the small size of their country, they managed to consistently dominate the top ranks of various sports, competing with both the United States and the Soviet Union for total medals in both the Olympics and various World Championships. In 1972, the IOC began a full scale drug-testing program (8).

By 1982, the International Olympic Council had developed a test for the detection of excess levels of testosterone in athletes, known as the "Testosterone: Epitestosterone test". In this test, levels of testosterone vs/ epitestosterone are measured, and if the testosterone level is 6x that of the epitestosterone level, it can safely be concluded that some form of testosterone has been used by the athlete. This is because testosterone is commonly no more than 6x the natural level of epitestosterone found naturally in the body. Thus, if there were more than that ratio, it was not naturally occurring, in all probability. The IOC was, as usual, one step behind the athletes. The GDR had already done a study on their athletes using a form of testosterone which would leave the body quickly, and thus they would be ready for the IOC test within three days of their last injection (6). They then developed a protocol to allow their athletes to continue steroid use, ceasing it only long enough to pass the drug test. In addition, the German firm Jenapharm, who had been supplying the government with steroids for their athletes, developed an epitestosterone product to administer to athletes to bring the ratio back to normal without discontinuing steroid use (5).

Their doping methods were so advanced, however, that they remained undetected for many years, until late 1989 when information was leaked to the western media about a government sponsored program of systematic anabolic steroid administration and concealment. Eventually, in the early 1990´s, the Germans had finally gotten caught, and the ensuing scandal was one which helped give anabolic steroids the bad reputation they have had ever since. Ironically, it was also in the early 1990´s that anabolic steroids had started to be used by the medical community to improve survival rates of AIDS and Cancer patients, when it was discovered that loss of lean body mass was associated with increased mortality rates respective to those diseases (14).

A similar story was being played out in the United States at about that same time. Before 1988, steroids were only prescription drugs, as classified by by the FDA (Food and Drug Administration). FDA determines which drugs will be classified as over-the-counter versus those which will only be available through prescription. At this time, the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, was invoked to restrict the access of steroids, making them available only by prescription. They were still not controlled substances at this time, however.

A "Controlled substance" is one that is more firmly regulated than uncontrolled prescription drugs. As an example, contact lenses can only be legally purchased with a prescription, but they are not &qont;rolled" per se. This stricter control of steroids created a vastly more intense examination of the doctors prescribing them; and of course, more harsh penalties for wrongful dispensing. 1988 also marked the passage of the Anti-Drug Abuse Act, which put steroids in a totally different prescription category, one that stipulated very severe legal penalties for illegal sale or possession with intent to distribute. Now, steroid possession and/or distribution was considered a felony. Next, the United States Congress added steroids to the Controlled Substances Act as an amendment known as the Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 1990. Steroids were now placed in "Schedule III" classification, along with amphetamines, methamphetamines, opium, and morphine, and carrying the same penalties for buying or selling them. This legislation and classification was passed without the support of the American Medical Association, the FDA, the DEA, and the National Institute on Drug Abuse, all of whom actually protested the federal and state lIn the early part of the new millennium, steroids have again been pushed to the forefront of the news by the introduction of "prohormones" which were first developed and marketed by Patrick Arnold. It is at this point that the history of steroids in baseball begins to become more prominent; this is in all probability because Major League Baseball had no steroid testing program in effect during this time. During his epic quest to break Ted Williams´ home-run record, Mark Maguire was spotted by a reporter to have had a bottle of Androstendione in his locker. Although androstendione is not a steroid, and is simply a prohormone, the word /spanym-buyer, as did demand& and unfortunately, the prevalence of fake or counterfeit steroids.

Steroids remained in the media, occasionally making an appearance when an athlete tested positive, or admitted using them, but for another decade, they remained uncharacteristically out of the media’s attention.

In the early part of the new millennium, steroids have again been pushed to the forefront of the news by the introduction of “prohormones” which were first developed and marketed by Patrick Arnold. It is at this point that the history of steroids in baseball begins to become more prominent; this is in all probability because Major League Baseball had no steroid testing program in effect during this time. During his epic quest to break Ted Williams’ home-run record, Mark Maguire was spotted by a reporter to have had a bottle of Androstendione in his locker. Although androstendione is not a steroid, and is simply a prohormone, the word “steroid” was again found circulating in the news on a nightly basis.

Not shortly after Ted Williams’ record was broken, another baseball player, Jason Giambi and various other athletes were either suspected of, or proven to have, taken anabolic steroids. Again, Congress convened a hearing, and just as they did the first time in 1990, they did not determine that steroids were a danger, but rather that the danger was more in protecting professional sports organizations. The updated statute has been updated to proscribe pro-hormones also The definition of an anabolic steroid as defined currently in the United States under (41)(A) is that "anabolic steroid" means any drug or hormonal substance, chemically and pharmacologically related to testosterone (other than estrogens, progestins, corticosteroids, and dehydroepiandrosterone (7).

Currently, steroid use is far from declining. [B]Among 12th graders surveyed in 2000, 2.5% reported using steroids at least once in their lives, while in 2004 the number was 3.4% (9). A recent internet study also concluded that “anabolic steroid use among weightlifters and bodybuilders continues” (12), and by all accounts, there are no signs of it stopping in athletics any time soon.

In addition, the legitimate use of anabolic steroids for a variety of medical problems also continues, ranging from the treatment of Andropause or Menopause, and ranging from speeding the recovery in burn victims to helping improve quality of life in Aids patients, to helping fight breast cancer and stave off osteoporosis.

Thus, the history of anabolic steroids is not something that has already occurred and been written, but rather it is a continuing history being written every day by scientists, lawmakers, doctors and of course, athletes.

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Maisel AQ. The Hormone Quest (1965) Random House
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you honestly expect people to sit and read through that?

Originally posted by pr1983
party pooper...

you honestly expect people to sit and read through that?

✅ It only takes a minute.

-FO!!

Originally posted by Flame On!!
✅ It only takes a minute.

-FO!!

Anyway good night guys it's been a fun thread.

-FO!!

Originally posted by Flame On!!
Well perhaps it's not as obvious in the US as in the UK however two in a hundred twelth graders in the US use steroids.

http://www.childtrendsdatabank.org/indicators/92SteroidUse.cfm

that's actually a huge number when you consider 50 of that hundred are girls. mean one in 25 grade 12 students in the US are on gear. Now extrapolate up.

🙂

-FO!!

You do realize all that article said was that people in athletics tend use steroids more than those people that are not in athletics.

I think what you thought it said was that there are more steroid using athletes than non steroid using athletes.

And by your own article it seems to imply that by large close to 90% of all minor athletes tend to stay away from it. You just proved my point unless there something I overlooked

😬

Originally posted by pr1983
couldn't help it... i played football (english football, soccer to americans), for years, and to be honest it never seemed to be as big an issue...
Really I played American Football for many years in fact I still do and I've known people that use it but by far the people that don't out weigh the people that have.

Originally posted by Flame On!!
✅ It only takes a minute.

-FO!!

is this some kind of bizarro minute...

and those statistics are horribly skewed... alot of people have tried something once in their life, even me (not steroids, something else), it doesnt mean they consistently do it...

Originally posted by Newjak

And by your own article it seems to imply that by large close to 90% of all minor athletes tend to stay away from it. You just proved my point unless there something I overlooked

😬

I think by minor athletes they mean below top College level. I've been talking about that and above. So not really.

3.5% of year 12's is a huge number trying gear.

-FO!!

Originally posted by Newjak
Really I played American Football for many years in fact I still do and I've known people that use it but by far the people that don't out weigh the people that have.

i never played american football much, as there isn't a huge demand for it over here... i still play english football when i can though...

Originally posted by pr1983
i never played american football much, as there isn't a huge demand for it over here... i still play english football when i can though...

I thought being Irish you'd play Gaelic rules or Rugby. A mate of mine at Uni called Pauric did his Doctorate on a Gaelic rules scholarship to is it Notradam in America.

He dabbled 😉

-FO!!

Originally posted by Flame On!!
I thought being Irish you'd play Gaelic rules or Rugby. A mate of mine at Uni called Pauric did his Doctorate on a Gaelic rules scholarship to is it Notradam in America.

He dabbled 😉

-FO!!

i only played gaa very infrequently, same as rugby... football is just what i prefer...

Originally posted by Flame On!!
I think by minor athletes they mean below top College level. I've been talking about that and above. So not really.

3.5% of year 12's is a huge number.

-FO!!

And I said that it could very well be as high as 15% of all athletes will use it although I believe it will be closer to ten percent which is still a huge minority compared to the rest.

I would also like to ask what the survey sample consisted of.

Also generally in the College level usage tends to decrease as especially testing steps up also the fact is that there are less College Athletes and generally once entering the college level they either did use or didn't use few rarely ever pick it up during college.

Most users don't happen until Pro level when competition increases. Even then as long as a very good testing program is in place many do not for fear of being caught.

face it the amount users in sports is still a vast minority compared to those who do not.

Originally posted by pr1983
i never played american football much, as there isn't a huge demand for it over here... i still play english football when i can though...
Well on this side of the big puddle it is in big demand although I do love to play soccer as well its one of my favorite sports.

Originally posted by Newjak
Well on this side of the big puddle it is in big demand although I do love to play soccer as well its one of my favorite sports.

you called it soccer... it is on... it is so onnnn!!!

😛

i like it alot, its one of the few smiple pleasures in life...

Originally posted by pr1983
you called it soccer... it is on... it is so onnnn!!!

😛

i like it alot, its one of the few smiple pleasures in life...

Fine then Futbal is that better 😛

It is a fun game my third favorite to play behind Football(the real kind) and Basketball.

😄

Originally posted by Newjak
Fine then Futbal is that better 😛

It is a fun game my third favorite to play behind Football(the real kind) and Basketball.

😄

oh hyyyyeeeellllll noooo....

Originally posted by Newjak
And I said that it could very well be as high as 15% of all athletes will use it although I believe it will be closer to ten percent which is still a huge minority compared to the rest.

I would also like to ask what the survey sample consisted of.

Also generally in the College level usage tends to decrease as especially testing steps up also the fact is that there are less College Athletes and generally once entering the college level they either did use or didn't use few rarely ever pick it up during college.

Most users don't happen until Pro level when competition increases. Even then as long as a very good testing program is in place many do not for fear of being caught.

face it the amount users in sports is still a vast minority compared to those who do not.

If that was really the case so few really high profile stars wouldn't get caught.

Soccer - Ronaldo rumours
Jap Stam caught
etc.

Sprinters everyone from Ben Johnson to Linford Christie you name an Olympic champion and they have had rumours around them or been caught e.g. Flo Jo god rest her soul.
Rugby - almost the entire welsh team a while ago got caught. Laurance D admitted supplying and was stripped of the England captaincy even after he later claimed to"have been joking"
Cricket - Shane Warne the best player in the world maybe of all time caught.

These are sports I know abouts so...................

Lots are using HGH because it's untestable.

Point made!

🙂

-FO!!

Originally posted by Newjak
Basketball.

👆

Originally posted by Flame On!!
If that was really the case so few really high profile stars wouldn't get caught.

Soccer - Ronaldo rumours
Jap Stam caught
etc.

Sprinters everyone from Ben Johnson to Linford Christie you name an Olympic champion and they have had rumours around them or been caught e.g. Flo Jo god rest her soul.
Rugby - almost the entire welsh team a while ago got caught. Laurance D admitted supplying and was stripped of the England captaincy even after he later claimed to"have been joking"
Cricket - Shane Warne the best player in the world maybe of all time caught.

These are sports I know abouts so...................

Point made!

🙂

-FO!!

You do realize the fact that those high profile players got caught should tell you that many aren't as many lesser known athletes aren't caught on regular basis

And rumors aren't definitive proof to go on. Most high profile stars just like actors will always have accusations thrown at them doesn't mean it is true.

The fact is that if I wanted to name every person who hasn't tested positive for Steroids my list would far exceed yours

Point Made

Originally posted by pr1983
oh hyyyyeeeellllll noooo....
Oh yes I did 😛

Originally posted by Flame On!! If that was really the case so few really high profile stars wouldn't get caught.

Soccer - Ronaldo rumours
Jap Stam caught
etc.

paul scholes. roy keane. two awesome players, not one hint of trouble... there are hundreds more quality players with no records of that kind of stuff...

Rugby - almost the entire welsh team a while ago got caught. Laurance D admitted supplying and was stripped of the England captaincy even after he later claimed to"have been joking"

the irish team that just won the triple crown... no rumours...

Point made!

🙂

-FO!!

if you say so...