Originally posted by Warmonger
He said he was ABOUT to but he didn't do anything until after Hulk was knocked down. So you don't know wheter or not the spell had any effect on the Hulk.As long as you keep trying to spin this I'll come back and pull the rug out from it.
If your done then stop posting the same invalid stuff over and over again.
He was not knocked out, you havn't read the issue then have you? He's even screaming in the panel after Shaman pulls out the stone and T-bird keeps hitting him, until Shaman stops him.
It's not invalid when he says he is going to do something and then he does do something. How are you pulling the rig out from me? I apologize for not contiuning the debate, but I just don't have enough time. I won't be on again at all tonight, I might be on tommorow at around 3pm
Originally posted by HigH ScholaR
well actually the hulk in a totally calm state does not start off at 100 tons but that is a totally NOTE:calm hulkNow, HAS HER LIGHT POWERS EFFECT 616 HULK
Can you please give multiple scans of Aurora using her molecules rearrangment so i can judge and have a better analyse on it.OK 616 HULK'S HEALING PROVING ANY DAMAGE FFROM HER HE WILL HEAL AND WHAT IF ANY REARRANGMENT OF MOLECULES THAT AURORA COULD CAUSE
Within seconds, the Hulk recovers from a near-skeletal state.
http://img130.exs.cx/img130/3038/Healing.jpg[/img]Glazier's🙄 transmutation 🙄 power fails against the Hulk:
http://img130.exs.cx/img130/6061/GlassHulk.jpgGoom shrinks the Hulk... and the Hulk promptly grows back to normal size.
http://img78.exs.cx/img78/3741/goom6ca.jpgBanner (and obviously the Hulk) is unaffected the Evolutionary's devolving power:
http://img159.exs.cx/img159/7897/evolutionary17or.jpgMOST OF THE SCANS ABOVE, have smething to do with the violation of hulk's molecules so as you can see she will have little affect with that skill espicially considering she is't adept here as most people inluding in those scans.
No doubt about it, but really Aurora cannot burn him like that so he won't be fueled with rage like that. That's not a near skelton state
Aurora doesn't rearrange molecules, and Hulk was transforming to break the glass and glass is weak
Aurora doesn't rearrange molecules
Aurora doesn't deevolve anything, that's not her power. She speeds up a person or an object.
All there is that I have read are the two scans, the one with Taurus and the bio. I will reread all of Weapon X, since that's when she got them. Also she doesn't rearrange anything, she speeds the molecules up tearing them apart.
Not that I recall, but I havn't read all the Hulk apperances in Alpha Flight. However, she has calmed similar mosters. Once I get some free time between my exams I will post more Auora feats. As of right now, I don't have time, hence why I havn't gotten around to all the replies.
I have th issue. I have every Exiles TPB released probelm is I don't have it with me cause my roomate has it in his car. I won't be back until I have the comic.
I got finals this week as well.
But it is just a simple question.
If the Hulk was already getting beat down before Shaman actually cast the spell how can you be so sure that Shaman's spell actually worked? Especially because Warpath says that he was weakened from beign sperated from Banner.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
He was not knocked out, you havn't read the issue then have you? He's even screaming in the panel after Shaman pulls out the stone and T-bird keeps hitting him, until Shaman stops him.It's not invalid when he says he is going to do something and then he does do something. How are you pulling the rig out from me? I apologize for not contiuning the debate, but I just don't have enough time. I won't be on again at all tonight, I might be on tommorow at around 3pm
No doubt about it, but really Aurora cannot burn him like that so he won't be fueled with rage like that. That's not a near skelton state
Aurora doesn't rearrange molecules, and Hulk was transforming to break the glass and glass is weak
Aurora doesn't rearrange molecules
Aurora doesn't deevolve anything, that's not her power. She speeds up a person or an object.
All there is that I have read are the two scans, the one with Taurus and the bio. I will reread all of Weapon X, since that's when she got them. Also she doesn't rearrange anything, she speeds the molecules up tearing them apart.
Not that I recall, but I havn't read all the Hulk apperances in Alpha Flight. However, she has calmed similar mosters. Once I get some free time between my exams I will post more Auora feats. As of right now, I don't have time, hence why I havn't gotten around to all the replies.
And he actually makes a very valid point. Several times the Hulk has proven resistant to molecular tampering. Her powers might work but now there is some evidence to indicate that it just as easily might not. Sure Aurora's power is slightly different but it is along the same vaine.
Originally posted by Warmonger
If the Hulk was already getting beat down before Shaman actually cast the spell how can you be so sure that Shaman's spell actually worked? Especially because Warpath says that he was weakened from beign sperated from Banner.
BTW sorry about earlier I was being a dick, I was stressed because I have already wrote two exams. Anyways I'm positive the spell worked, because Shaman is a strong spell castor and all of his spells are high class. Even John Byrne thinks he can be stronger than Strange. So there were many factors working against the Hulk, but does that mean the spell didn't work? naaaaa. It's very likely it did.
Originally posted by Warmonger
And he actually makes a very valid point. Several times the Hulk has proven resistant to molecular tampering. Her powers might work but now there is some evidence to indicate that it just as easily might not. Sure Aurora's power is slightly different but it is along the same vaine.
She doesn't tamper though, that's a completly different attack and against a enraged Hulk. Actually I just got some emails about Aurora telling me to grab certain issues and just how powerful her calming abilities are, you will be impressed. I should have the scans hopefully tuesday or wednesday. Sorry about that, I just have a exam on monday [organic chemistry] and tuesday [solid waste...yippie]
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Hopefully I will have the scans tommorow, for instance Aurora vs. Human Tourch using her light powers to calm him actually getting him to "flame off".
Haven't been to this thread in a while. How did you respond to a thunderclap following by a charge while she's stunned?
Originally posted by scotsmn
Haven't been to this thread in a while. How did you respond to a thunderclap following by a charge while she's stunned?
Written to her actual abilities, and with her dealing with Hulk before she knows about the thunderclap and can attack from all angles where the thunderclap won't work either from the far side or straight from the back avoiding the full sheer force of it.
If she does get hit by a fullly enraged thunderclap there won't be a nead for a charge, she will be out. If she gets hit she will be in a bad way. I'll post some scans shortly [hopefully tommorow] just how powerful her calming powers are and could possibly weaken him.
Here's low quality scans of Aurora who basically just got her new powers calming Human Torch into flamming off and almost falling to his death. She then turns the light inwards and breaks Headlok's control, who is a very powerful psychic and it took the entire Fantastic Four and Alpha Flight to beat him [Other Aurora light feats coming soon, tommorow is my last exam]
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Originally posted by King_Mungi
Written to her actual abilities, and with her dealing with Hulk before she knows about the thunderclap and can attack from all angles where the thunderclap won't work either from the far side or straight from the back avoiding the full sheer force of it.If she does get hit by a fullly enraged thunderclap there won't be a nead for a charge, she will be out. If she gets hit she will be in a bad way. I'll post some scans shortly [hopefully tommorow] just how powerful her calming powers are and could possibly weaken him.
I see the scans but:
1) I'm not sure if you can make a comparison between that guy's rage and the rage of the Hulk.. seems it would take longer to calm the Hulk.
2) Are we referring to a version of Hulk that would revert back to banner when calm? If not, I don't see how this will help her. She'll still get hurt eventually, even with a calm Hulk.
3) What if Hulk, knowing her abilities as well, Thunderclaps over his head? 360 blast would get her good.
I think she's depending on way too much to happen right for her to win. Especially against a character as surprising as the Hulk, this is a very dangerous fight for her.
Originally posted by scotsmn
I see the scans but:1) I'm not sure if you can make a comparison between that guy's rage and the rage of the Hulk.. seems it would take longer to calm the Hulk.
2) Are we referring to a version of Hulk that would revert back to banner when calm? If not, I don't see how this will help her. She'll still get hurt eventually, even with a calm Hulk.
3) What if Hulk, knowing her abilities as well, Thunderclaps over his head? 360 blast would get her good.
I think she's depending on way too much to happen right for her to win. Especially against a character as surprising as the Hulk, this is a very dangerous fight for her.
1) Well Hulk doesn't always start in a blood thirsty rage if she did right from the start that would be a major advantage.
2) She probally could revert Hulk back to Banner, but only calm Mr.Fix it or the Professor it won't weaken them just make them woozy. How could she get hurt? Hulk needs to get her and she has even felt the thunderclap when she was depowered so she knows to avoid it.
3) Hulk is not capable to even formulate a plan, and if he thundeclaps over his head then she can attack elbows down or something.
Indeed, but written to what she actually can do she definetly would give Hulk one hell of a time. Hopefully I'll have more scans today.
Originally posted by Warmonger
In the Scan it looks like Johny fought off her light. Looks like he played possum until he gto close enough to "turn it around".Also while the Hulk is stupid he is still cunning. He has been known to quickly figure out a way to get his opponents, even savage Hulk.
Naaaa, she was letting her guard down since he was falling notice when he is falling her arms are down. He wasn't playing possum at all, he was completly in la-la land, "head feels like it's on novacaine". It was bad positiong for Aurora since he feel right in her after he realized he was falling, but she still pushes him off with her light after she clears her mind from a powerful physhic attack [Invisible Woman, Aurora, Guardian, Walter, Shaman, Mr.Fantastic were all under Headlok's control]. This was also a Aurora who was just still learning about her new light powers.
Cunning as he is, the calming effect won't give him an excuse to freak out. Basically they feel and see what makes them at peace.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
1) Well Hulk doesn't always start in a blood thirsty rage if she did right from the start that would be a major advantage.2) She probally could revert Hulk back to Banner, but only calm Mr.Fix it or the Professor it won't weaken them just make them woozy. How could she get hurt? Hulk needs to get her and she has even felt the thunderclap when she was depowered so she knows to avoid it.
3) Hulk is not capable to even formulate a plan, and if he thundeclaps over his head then she can attack elbows down or something.
Indeed, but written to what she actually can do she definetly would give Hulk one hell of a time. Hopefully I'll have more scans today.
Not all versions of Hulk revert back to banner. Which version of Hulk?
As stated, even Savage hulk is crafty. However, we haven't established that she's fighting Savage Hulk have we? If she's fighting Prof Hulk he most definitely will think of a Thunderclap over his head (360 in a sphere) from the start.
Thunderclap is 3 dimentional, not two.
Originally posted by scotsmn
Not all versions of Hulk revert back to banner. Which version of Hulk?As stated, even Savage hulk is crafty. However, we haven't established that she's fighting Savage Hulk have we? If she's fighting Prof Hulk he most definitely will think of a Thunderclap over his head (360 in a sphere) from the start.
Thunderclap is 3 dimentional, not two.
Classic Hulk, because Professor Hulk, Mr.Fix It don't increase or decrease in strength they have a consistent strength
I already mentioned her light calming powers wouldn't work on the prof other than make him woozy, but he wouldn't get weaker from it. Were talking about savage Hulk who can revert back to Banner and depends on rage for strength. A thunderclap from the professor Hulk was done in the Mole Can's cave and an entire army was around him, but the sound waves caused an avalance it didn't knock them out.
Not proportional to damage it's not. If you are not in a direct line of the shock wave it really is not going to be effective.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Classic Hulk, because Professor Hulk, Mr.Fix It don't increase or decrease in strength they have a consistent strength
Originally posted by King_Mungi
A thunderclap from the professor Hulk was done in the Mole Can's cave and an entire army was around him, but the sound waves caused an avalance it didn't knock them out.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Not proportional to damage it's not. If you are not in a direct line of the shock wave it really is not going to be effective.
Originally posted by scotsmn
You're wrong there. Both of them increase in strength as they get angry, just not as fast as other versions. I'm honestly not making this up. Mr. Fixit is the version of Hulk who one-shotted a meteor larger than the planet earth into little pieces. But ok, we're using Savage Hulk here.Well, there have been plenty of other examples of his thunderclap causing damage in a complete sphere, which make sense. If anything, it should be more damaging vertically basied on the direction he claps his hands in. Air is going to escape in a verticle fashion.
What do you mean by direct line? It's a 3d attack, every line is a direct line.. distance is the only thing that can weaken it.
Well then if they can increase strength they can decrease in strength as well, so I suppose the light could work.
Air is going to escape in various fashion, but I have seen most altercations with the thunderclap taking someone out was from a direct line to the clap. A calm Hulk isn't going to have the same potent strength from a full strength savage clap, which I doubt she could take since she was already knocked out from it once when she got depowered [literally no powers].
If Aurora is directly in front of Hulk and he does a thunderclap she would take more damage then she would if she was directly over the Hulk and he did it. My example in Hulk Annual #2 he does a clap and the entire army is fine but the sound waves cause a avalanche [Prof Hulk though]. He does a thundeclap again against a army of Hydra [Hulk #400, you don't see him do it but the sound waves come out] and only the ones in a direct path felt the full force of it.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Well then if they can increase strength they can decrease in strength as well, so I suppose the light could work.Air is going to escape in various fashion, but I have seen most altercations with the thunderclap taking someone out was from a direct line to the clap. A calm Hulk isn't going to have the same potent strength from a full strength savage clap, which I doubt she could take since she was already knocked out from it once when she got depowered [literally no powers].
If Aurora is directly in front of Hulk and he does a thunderclap she would take more damage then she would if she was directly over the Hulk and he did it. My example in Hulk Annual #2 he does a clap and the entire army is fine but the sound waves cause a avalanche [Prof Hulk though]. He does a thundeclap again against a army of Hydra [Hulk #400, you don't see him do it but the sound waves come out] and only the ones in a direct path felt the full force of it.
I guess he can make it do whatever he pleases 🙂 Here is an over the head thunderclap and it's effect.
