Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I find it ridiculous that Iceman would be able to drop someone's temperature from 98 or whatever to the negatives with no middle ground. That'd rip a person apart when all the energy is shunted out of their body at greater than light speeds.
It's just as ridiculous as Flash reaching light speed without a middle ground 😑
The difference is that flash isn't incased in ice but has the 75% of his body that is water frozen killing him.Also he can't stop Iceman from thinking because he doesn't have eletrical impulses in ice form.He's like the the Shadow king in that he's a consciusness inhabiting a corporal form.Bobby is connected to all water that's how he can appear in more place at once.Normally I'd say tie because neither goes for the kill or their more powerful moves but if it's bloodlusted and to the death Iceman 10/10 simply because if your not a telepath your pretty screwed.
Lemme say it like this: Flash is too much for Bobby, cuz even though he's got that amazing power, he still feels a punch from a guy moving 2000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 miles p/hour, right? That shit hurts. trust me. And it would probly kill... I'm not sure... If someone's head is hit so hard it dissolves into dust, does his mind stop working? I'd say so, but I'm no scientist.
Originally posted by Lord-of-Dreams
Lemme say it like this: Flash is too much for Bobby, cuz even though he's got that amazing power, he still feels a punch from a guy moving 2000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 miles p/hour, right? That shit hurts. trust me. And it would probly kill... I'm not sure... If someone's head is hit so hard it dissolves into dust, does his mind stop working? I'd say so, but I'm no scientist.
Iceman WOULD know what happened to him. The punch would most likely break his head into bits. Disintegrate? Maybe, but there will always be moisture in the air where Bobby can reform. Secondly, in answer to your question. Yes his conscious will still be around meaning he will be able to reform in the area, inside wally or somewhere else.
Like ive stated before, therese no doubts that Flash gets the first hit or 2. He may even shatter Bobby into a million parts. However that then works to Bobby's advantage in a way because he has options to attack Wally now. He can use the moisture from within Wally to reform. That would most likely kill Flash. He can create duplicates then flash freeze or manipulate Wallys blood. Instead of slowing the flow, he can purely stop it. I know Wally can speed up his heart rate and even slow it down, but if Bobbys stopping all blood flow while Wally tries speeding it up, who would win that battle? Id lean more towards Iceman for the simple fact that he can do that instantly while Flash would have to gradually slow it up.
Another thing is if Iceman were to flash freeze Flash, it would take a second or so for Wally to vibrate out of it.
So it's a stalemate? what if Wally meister ran around Bob at such a speed as to cause a tornade flame around him, the pop him it a million pieces? So's he'd burn into oxygen, or whatever element, while he's unconcious?
This is actually a great fight in terms of learning about these two characters!! 😄
Originally posted by Lord-of-Dreams
So it's a stalemate? what if Wally meister ran around Bob at such a speed as to cause a tornade flame around him, the pop him it a million pieces? So's he'd burn into oxygen, or whatever element, while he's unconcious?
This is actually a great fight in terms of learning about these two characters!! 😄
I dont know. How would we know Bobby is unconscious? Even if Iceman did get poped into a million pieces and turned into oxygen, there would stil be moisture in the air and Bobby can still reform. Question is where would he reform. If he were to do it inside of Wally, its a wrap for Flash. If Flash can somehow knock him out, then the tactics can work. Its really hard to judge this fight. All that can be said is a bunch of "if's" then more "if's". Im only leaning slightly towards Iceman here.
Iceman doesnt have to enter Flash's body to stop his bloodflow. He has a connection to all moisture around him, so if he wants, he can form a giant ice pick to stil out from Wallys chest if he wants to. Thing is, unless its the heart, Flash can heal within seconds. Flash could also speed up his metabolism so that any physical damage Iceman does to him heals instantly. Iceman would have to totaly have him in pieces. This is a hard fight to judge.
Originally posted by jrodslam
I dont know. How would we know Bobby is unconscious? Even if Iceman did get poped into a million pieces and turned into oxygen, there would stil be moisture in the air and Bobby can still reform. Question is where would he reform. If he were to do it inside of Wally, its a wrap for Flash. If Flash can somehow knock him out, then the tactics can work. Its really hard to judge this fight. All that can be said is a bunch of "if's" then more "if's". Im only leaning slightly towards Iceman here.
Well, for one thing, I'd say despite his amazing power, he can still be knocked out, since he sleeps. Also, fire actually 'eats' the moisture in the air(which is why you sweat when you're near fire: you skin runs out of moisture, and your body needs to keep it moist), so Bobby should be- as far as I know- trapped in his spot (he wouldn't have time to go into the earth's moisture) till Flash bopped him, when he'd either burn to death as human, or be melted and destroyed as ice. That's my belief, but... well... I've been wrong twice before, so... 😛