Iceman vs Flash

I think Iceman is unkillable in ice form. I don't know about his human form.

Originally posted by ixie
I think Iceman is unkillable in ice form. I don't know about his human form.

I dunno if you guys read what I said or not, but I'm assuming you did. I asked if in my scenario- which you'll go back and read if you care- Ice would die, it makes perfect sense and works with what I've heard here about his no-death policy. I have to say Flash 5.5/10

Human Torch once tried to surround Iceman in flames. You know what Iceman did? He made it rain.

lol why were they fighting?? Can you scan that fight, sounds great!!
But see, the other part of the plan comes into play there, Flash runs through the fire and pops Ice, knocking him out, and he dies in peace... Problems are two: 1. Can Ice even be knocked out? 2. Would melting wake him up?

The fight is scanned in the Iceman respect thread. They were fighting cause Torch thought Iceman robbed a bank and sneak attacked him. Flash runs through the fire and hit Bobby. Would it knock him out? Thats trhe question. Can Iceman be knocked out? Probably. If hes melted and turned into water he can just reform.

No he can't. Fire eats the water, it eats oxygen, why uou think you can't stay in a burning building for too long.

Originally posted by Lord-of-Dreams
No he can't. Fire eats the water, it eats oxygen, why uou think you can't stay in a burning building for too long.

Do you think Flash can generate/create hotter fire than Iceman can colder Ice?

If so, youre sadly mistaken.

Does Ice even have varying levels of coldness? I always thought it was just ice, and how frozen the water was was what decided the coldness... And how is that relevent?

Originally posted by Lord-of-Dreams
Does Ice even have varying levels of coldness? I always thought it was just ice, and how frozen the water was was what decided the coldness... And how is that relevent?

It does. Theres ice like we have in the freezer. Then theres the ice where youd touch it, youd freeze instanyly and die. Have you ever seen the movie Day After Tomorrow? The cold that was displayed in theat movie was an example of how cold Bobby can go.

Its relevant because no matter what fire FLash can/would create, it wouldnt be hot enough to melt him and Iceman can easily drown it out with ice.

Oh, yeah, true... wow... So, it's basically a draw... hey, is Bobby still underneath all the ice, like in the goodol'days, or is he actually ice?

Originally posted by Lord-of-Dreams
Oh, yeah, true... wow... So, it's basically a draw... hey, is Bobby still underneath all the ice, like in the goodol'days, or is he actually ice?

I pretty much agree for the most part. Bobby may have a sliiiight advantage. But thats only after being shattered. When iced up, hes all ice. But now hes able to revert back to human form.

Um. NO. People THINK. Flash IMPS Iceman. He does indeed shattter...however the force of blow would be so severe ( a faster than lightspeed punch would have the force of a dwarf neutron star....that's literally Hiroshima times three million) his very water molecules would be ripped apart into incoherent trash codes or dispersed into the flipping stratosphere.

Hell, all Flash needs to do is steal Iceman's kinetic energy until absolute zero. Iceman would be ironically "frozen."

How lond does it take Flash to preform this lightspeed IMP starting from zero? When he hit Grodd, it took him 7 seconds. When he IMP'd Zum, he already had full momentum. When recently fighting Zoom, he wasnt even going lightspeed and needed a running start to go that fast to deliver the puch. Thus at the start of the fight, Flash isnt going to hit Iceman with a IMP that "his very water molecules would be ripped apart into incoherent trash codes or dispersed into the flipping stratosphere." Starting from zero and attacking Bobby may only just shatter him with wouldnt be the end of the fight. Wally needs to be close or touching Iceman in order to steal the kinetic energy. If the fight is just starting and Iceman isnt moving yet, theres not much kinetic energy Flash is going to steal.

Originally posted by jrodslam
How lond does it take Flash to preform this lightspeed IMP starting from zero? When he hit Grodd, it took him 7 seconds. When he IMP'd Zum, he already had full momentum. When recently fighting Zoom, he wasnt even going lightspeed and needed a running start to go that fast to deliver the puch. Thus at the start of the fight, Flash isnt going to hit Iceman with a IMP that "his very water molecules would be ripped apart into incoherent trash codes or dispersed into the flipping stratosphere." Starting from zero and attacking Bobby may only just shatter him with wouldnt be the end of the fight. Wally needs to be close or touching Iceman in order to steal the kinetic energy. If the fight is just starting and Iceman isnt moving yet, theres not much kinetic energy Flash is going to steal.

Originally posted by jrodslam
How lond does it take Flash to preform this lightspeed IMP starting from zero? When he hit Grodd, it took him 7 seconds.

Seven seconds?! Who wrote that crap? It only takes him about a tenth of a picosecond. He has to reach lightspeed in order to do so. And we all know how easy it is for Flash to reach lightspeed. Hell he can WALK at lightspeed.

Originally posted by jrodslam
When he IMP'd Zum, he already had full momentum.

Yes and the entire battle took place in the space of one second.

Originally posted by jrodslam
When recently fighting Zoom, he wasnt even going lightspeed and needed a running start to go that fast to deliver the puch.

Flash never tried to do a IMP at Zoom. Why? Because Zoom was completely schooling him. He couldn't land a single blow to Zoom.

And what ARE you saying about Flash not fighting Zoom at lightspeed? Why would would Flash NOT go at LEAST lightspeed against a man who's a bajillion times "faster" than him.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Thus at the start of the fight, Flash isnt going to hit Iceman with a IMP

You're relying on inaccurate comics and comics loaded with PIS/CIS. In this forum we ignore such low showings and focus on high showings.

A bloodlusted Flash would IMP Iceman (or any other opponent) several million times before they can even form a thought.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Starting from zero and attacking Bobby may only just shatter him with wouldnt be the end of the fight.

Flash wouldn't just "shatter" Bobby. You're assuming he's just a really fast object like a bullet. A bullet would likely shatter Bobby. Or a steel baseball thrown by Thor.

Flash however can go beyond lightspeeds like it's nobody's business. He can hit with the force of a dwarf neutron star with lightspeed momentum behind it. That's Hiroshima cubed, squared, and cubed again.

Bobby wouldn't shatter. He would friggin disintegrate. The force of the blow would be so outrageously powerful that it would rip apart the water molecules into nothingness.

Flash doesn't even HAVE to do an IMP. Hell all he has to do is steal his speed. And Iceman gets a taste of his own medicine.

Originally posted by Juntai
Well, Flash evacuated city, person by person, carrying all half million occupants 70 miles in .000001 seconds.
When he punched Zoom with his "My fists hit with the power of stars" punch, he had only moved a step or two and already declared he was moving lightspeed.

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but 'his mind could still transfer to other moisture.' That's the whole predicament.
Yo! I got it!! Flash could actually run through Ice and remove all of his moisture because of his speed, this would kill Ice, cause he wouldnt have time to transfer!

He wouldn't even need to do that. He can just hyper-accelerate the molecules in the air until they literally break apart from the strain.

(happens in space shuttle take-offs...)

Originally posted by Juntai
Well, Flash evacuated city, person by person, carrying all half million occupants 70 miles in .000001 seconds.
When he punched Zoom with his "My fists hit with the power of stars" punch, he had only moved a step or two and already declared he was moving lightspeed.

I also heard Flash already had a running start before doing that.

He was moving at lightspeed with 2 steps? Yet there was a time where he already stated that he couldnt go from 0 to lightspeed instantly. In the latest fight with Zoom, he built up momentum and STILL wasnt going lightspeed.