You know, it wouldn't surprise me if the Rebels amde their own version of an Imperial Bullet with one of the Mon Cal cruisers. Basically, aim the ship at a stationary target(in this case the SF), put the ship on full speed and let it ram it. If the SF isn't outright destroyed by it, it will be damaged heavily. If, like you say, the shield is on the station, chances are it will go down, if not, rinse and repeat with another cruiser.
I fell like throwing in another two cents. Oooh, where to start?
Mon Cals ARE much much stronger than the Leviathon class, we all agree on that.
A Rebel blockade of the Rakatan system is entirely feasible.
Many thousands of Commandos, probably even with the help of the few Jedi, CAN, yes, CAN take out The One, and even if the Elders aren't willing to help the Rebels, they're no match.
And those same thousands of Commandos are a very effective bunch. How the hell, can like 20 Dark Jedi, take them out? Honestly, some people are making them into Gods.
The Rebels will have no hard time locating the Shield generator, we've all agreed on that right?
The Sith cannot "extract food from the planet" even when the Shield is UP. Chances are, yes, a few Rebel ships will be forced to land, but those Ships will be able to harass and maybe even (gasp) STOP the Sith from "extracting food." Revan is smart enough to know that wasting the lives of his men is not a good thing seeing as how he'll have few people left to man the ships the SF spews out.
Again there, eventually he'll have noone left to pilot his vessels.
Revan his f*cked, no matter how you look at this.
Originally posted by Fishy
Now in your idea, you are forgetting the fact that the shield blocks readings. The Ebon Hawk didn't know shit until they got into the shields and by that time its to late to contact the rest of the fleet and tell them what you have seen because well your communication weapons don't work anymore.
Fishy. You're working with three basical assumptions here that can't be proven. The first is that the shield would have the same effects on the technology the Rebels have that it had on the technology the Ebon Hawk had. Considering the fact that 4,000 years a quite some time to develop technology it's possible but can't be taken as granted.
Second assumption is that the Rebels would basically fly in a straight line and all hit the shield in the same moment which is quite unlogic as they will fly in formations (even scout ships) meaning that they would still most likely have the opportunity to get away or at least give some information to the Rebels main fleet.
Third assumption is that you have to get through the shield in order to get down on the planets surface. That can't be proven since the shield would very likely not go around the entire planet since it was designed to protect the Star Forge. Yet even if it's the case - relative save landing without engines working is possible as Glentract explained. If the Rebels want to get an army down there they can do it quite easily.
Now a scout therefor would be of no use, commando's wouldn't know where to go unless they were in. And it stands to reason that the primary target would be the target they know off. The Star Forge. They won't know of anything but the Star Forge unless they are in the shields in which case they will most likely crash on the planet if they enter the sector from the right direction that is. Flying through half of the system to land on the planet, well with a fleet there it might be hard to do. Especially when you don't have any more fire power.
They will send Scouts to the system before invading it. That's basic military tactic. And as I explained above there is a very high possibility for scouts being able to deliver information to the rest of the Rebels. And even when they invade the system with everything they have they won't all fall because of the shield.
The point is, that they won't know of the shield and everyting they throw at the Star Forge would need to be extremely lucky to destroy the temple of ancients, because very few people have the skills to do something like that and its unlikely that the Jedi are going to be send there.
Meh...what ? In order to destroy the temple or take the shield out you need either brute force (with the Republic has) or diplomatic skills (again the Republic has enough of that).
The idea that a commando unit is going to be send to the Star Forge is even crazier because they would by all logic be destroyed before they could ever reach the Star Forge and the alliance would know that.
I agree with that but since I see no use for sending a commando unit to the SF this is a very negligible point.
The way I see it, they can not get a clear target and therefor never know whats going on. They could perhaps reach the planet but without being detected? Very unlikely. And without some heavy firepower from ships you are not going to destroy the Sith fleet bombing you. Its going to take an extreme amount of coincidences for them to find the thing know what its going to do and destroy it right away. Because lets face it, if you are the rebellion and you have Revan cornered there you have two real options.
Fishy...we have seen starfighters being capable of destroying the Sith ships. Yet the Rebellion has much more advanced starfighters compared to the Republic 4,000 years ago. And if the Sith would bomb the surface they would do nothing else than destroying the temple on their own (and therefore their shield).
1.) Try to destroy him and his troops with a few commando's like Glentract suggested.This is however crazy to say the least, every commando drop ship would be destroyed by a far more powerful fleet, if there were no shields. Even if they could somehow magically reach the Star Forge they would still have to face god knows how many Sith Lords of power apprentices and Star Forge droids, which are capable destroying Jedi. The alliance won't know that, but they will know its the base of Revan his power, so they would know that the commando's even when supported by the few Jedi they have stand no chance.
Yap. That idea is pretty useless.
2.) Send in the fleet and destroy the Star Forge, in which case the shields will start working.Personally I believe that they would find ou they can't enter the system, they might do a few things try to get around it. But I don't think they will work, because well basically they have no information other then the fact that they are crashing. They might make a superweapon and blow the Star Forge up. Possible, I don'treally think its their style but possible or they would just simply lay siege on Revan his fleet and the Star Forge.
Meh, Fishy. They can enter the system without getting affected by the shields as the Ebon Hawk has proven. They can even come quite close to the SF without the shields stopping them (also proven by the Ebon Hawk). And with weapons that have an effective range of 30,000+ kilometres they could just keep bombarding everything the Sith have from a far distance since they have a much superior firepower. It's possible that they don't even need to destroy the shields in order to get rid of the Star Forge itself.
Even if they have to they can simply hold the position and smite everything the Sith might be able to throw at them as long as they need to destroy the shield.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
You know, it wouldn't surprise me if the Rebels amde their own version of an Imperial Bullet with one of the Mon Cal cruisers. Basically, aim the ship at a stationary target(in this case the SF), put the ship on full speed and let it ram it. If the SF isn't outright destroyed by it, it will be damaged heavily. If, like you say, the shield is on the station, chances are it will go down, if not, rinse and repeat with another cruiser.
yeah they could do that what good would it do the star forge is to big to be effected by that and why would the rebels use i mon cal cruiser when they dont have alot of them
starwars
Okay that last post is useless...
anyways Nai
Fishy. You're working with three basical assumptions here that can't be proven. The first is that the shield would have the same effects on the technology the Rebels have that it had on the technology the Ebon Hawk had. Considering the fact that 4,000 years a quite some time to develop technology it's possible but can't be taken as granted.
Second assumption is that the Rebels would basically fly in a straight line and all hit the shield in the same moment which is quite unlogic as they will fly in formations (even scout ships) meaning that they would still most likely have the opportunity to get away or at least give some information to the Rebels main fleet.
Third assumption is that you have to get through the shield in order to get down on the planets surface. That can't be proven since the shield would very likely not go around the entire planet since it was designed to protect the Star Forge. Yet even if it's the case - relative save landing without engines working is possible as Glentract explained. If the Rebels want to get an army down there they can do it quite easily.
Well the first assumption seems logical, in the thousands of years the Rakatan Empire had been down nothing much has been changed, and they completely re-invented the ships and whatever because nothing remained of the Rakatan Empire. Its far more likely that a completely new design would be able to get through instead of an upgrade of a design. So really its not a strange assumption to make, and far more logical then thinking the shield would not affect the alliance.
Now it is possible that the Rakatan homeworld can be reached, but there is no evidence for that. The Ebon Hawk along with thousands if not millions of other ships crashed on the planet, and all of them stayed there. No information about the Star Forge ever got out. Wouldn't it be a logical assumption to make that you simply can not escape the shield? Not even on the Rakatan homeworld? I mean there is absolutely nothing to suggest otherwise. Besides it would be smarter if the Rakatan who really don't seem stupid would have put the planet in the protected area as well because the planet is very important to them.
Meh...what ? In order to destroy the temple or take the shield out you need either brute force (with the Republic has) or diplomatic skills (again the Republic has enough of that).
True they have brute force, diplomatic skills however will be of no use, unless they are talking to Revan. In which case it wouldn't be a real destruction of his Empire but he would surrender. The Rakatan however wouldn't understand the republic and the republic wouldn't understand the Rakatan destroying diplomacy. And brute force, well large army's could never reach the planet and small strike teams, well Revan would probably spot them as well and destroy them.
Fishy...we have seen starfighters being capable of destroying the Sith ships. Yet the Rebellion has much more advanced starfighters compared to the Republic 4,000 years ago. And if the Sith would bomb the surface they would do nothing else than destroying the temple on their own (and therefore their shield).
Yeah I know their technology is far better, I don't think Revan could ever win this war, i'm just saying that he couldn't really lose.
Meh, Fishy. They can enter the system without getting affected by the shields as the Ebon Hawk has proven. They can even come quite close to the SF without the shields stopping them (also proven by the Ebon Hawk). And with weapons that have an effective range of 30,000+ kilometres they could just keep bombarding everything the Sith have from a far distance since they have a much superior firepower. It's possible that they don't even need to destroy the shields in order to get rid of the Star Forge itself.Even if they have to they can simply hold the position and smite everything the Sith might be able to throw at them as long as they need to destroy the shield.
Well, Earth the third planet from the sun, and the first where live is possible is about 150 million kilometers away from the sun. Thats 5x the range of the Republic ships. The Ebon Hawk after entering the shield still had the time to fly towards the Rakatan homeworld, which was also in the shield so the shield would logically be even bigger. Of course its possible that the Rakatan home world was closer to their sun but from looking at the planet, we can still safely say its a pretty big distance away. And probably far more then those 30.000+ kilometers.
Now it is possible that the Rakatan home world would be in range of the Republic fleet, but do you see the Republic bombing an unknown planet? I don't. No, they would just lock Revan up in his camp get to a safe distance and destroy every ship when it comes in range.
As for the idea of suicide ships, I don't know who brought it up not like it matters. The engines won't work, the shields won't work the weapons won't work and there is a huge fleet between the start of the shields and the Star Forge constantly growing larger, what chance does a ship really have of hitting the Star Forge?
Originally posted by Fishy
Well the first assumption seems logical, in the thousands of years the Rakatan Empire had been down nothing much has been changed, and they completely re-invented the ships and whatever because nothing remained of the Rakatan Empire. Its far more likely that a completely new design would be able to get through instead of an upgrade of a design. So really its not a strange assumption to make, and far more logical then thinking the shield would not affect the alliance.
Well...the Rakatan Empire did exist from 49,000 BBY to 28,000 BBY. The time it was established is probably the same time they invented the Hyperdrive means they had 21,000 years to develop capable space vessels before the construction of the SF and the events following destroyed their Empire.
The ships in KotoR are on a compareable level (21,000 years from the re-invention of the Hyperdrive) to the Rakatan ships. Yet the Rebels have another 4 millenia of technological development added so their technology could be more advanced than the Rakatan technology.
And I wasn't estimating that the Rebel ships won't get affected by the SF shields since we know that ships can still be stopped by shields (ROTJ) - but I think they would be able to spot the SF shields before entering them. The technology of planetary shielding or shielding in general (for ships) was not far developed in Revan's times - it is in the times of the Rebellion. Now...if they can spot an active shield guarding the Death Star before entering it (ROTJ) and the same can be reproduced by Imperials (they noticed the shield over Hoth in ESB), I don't see a reason why they won't be able to spot the SF shield or find it's source.
Now it is possible that the Rakatan homeworld can be reached, but there is no evidence for that. The Ebon Hawk along with thousands if not millions of other ships crashed on the planet, and all of them stayed there. No information about the Star Forge ever got out. Wouldn't it be a logical assumption to make that you simply can not escape the shield? Not even on the Rakatan homeworld? I mean there is absolutely nothing to suggest otherwise. Besides it would be smarter if the Rakatan who really don't seem stupid would have put the planet in the protected area as well because the planet is very important to them.
There are some points to suggest otherwise:
a) The ships crashed on the planet because when hitting the shields their systems were taken out and the planet was the nearest (or only) place to land on.
b) As I said: Scouting ships would fly in some formation meaning they will most likely not hit the shields all at once so even if one of them goes down there will be others left. Yet - even if that's not the case. What do you think would the Rebels do when their scout ships don't return ? They will go search for them. Now with the advanced scanners they have they will most likely spot them even if they are on the planets surface before they hit the shield and I don't see them making the same error again and again.
c) Why would the shield cover the Rakatan Homeworld ? They had no reason to do that. With all the power of the SF they had easily enough ships to protect that world. What would it help if ships that want to land on the world anyway would just be forced to do it without working engines ?
True they have brute force, diplomatic skills however will be of no use, unless they are talking to Revan. In which case it wouldn't be a real destruction of his Empire but he would surrender. The Rakatan however wouldn't understand the republic and the republic wouldn't understand the Rakatan destroying diplomacy. And brute force, well large army's could never reach the planet and small strike teams, well Revan would probably spot them as well and destroy them.
The Rebellion has at least one force user (Luke) and Leia who can "use" her force skills to a certain extend. And they have C-3PO who is programmed with 6 million communication forms. It's very unlikely that they won't find a way to communicate with the Rakatan.
For the brute force: As Glentract explained (do you just refuse to read it) a pointed landing without working systems can be easily done once you know you have to land without engines (and the Rebels will figure that out quickly) meaning they would be able to send an entire army down on the planet. And personally I don't see Revan stopping them. The only thing he could do (unless you want to assume that he will start attacking the planet from the orbit and risk to destroy the shield) is dispatching own ground troops. If he does this he will be heavily outnumbered and beaten in terms of firepower.
And judging distance. If a Rebel ship comes down near the beach they would be able to went to the temple in less than 5 minutes and blow it away in probably 10 minutes after they have landed. Not that much reaction time for Revan even if he's able to see them landing (and that would most likely not be the case if they come from the night side of the planet).
Well, Earth the third planet from the sun, and the first where live is possible is about 150 million kilometers away from the sun. Thats 5x the range of the Republic ships. The Ebon Hawk after entering the shield still had the time to fly towards the Rakatan homeworld, which was also in the shield so the shield would logically be even bigger. Of course its possible that the Rakatan home world was closer to their sun but from looking at the planet, we can still safely say its a pretty big distance away. And probably far more then those 30.000+ kilometers.
Now you are again assuming that the shield is something like a huge corridor which even is located beyond the SF (meaning it continues far into space from the side of the SF that is averted from the planet). 30,000+ kilometres would be a VERY huge (and almost unnecessary) shielding range.
Now it is possible that the Rakatan home world would be in range of the Republic fleet, but do you see the Republic bombing an unknown planet? I don't. No, they would just lock Revan up in his camp get to a safe distance and destroy every ship when it comes in range.
In this case still Revan would have basically "lost" since he can't get out of his own system, can't get any support in, and will run out of resources / troops sooner or later.
As for the idea of suicide ships, I don't know who brought it up not like it matters. The engines won't work, the shields won't work the weapons won't work and there is a huge fleet between the start of the shields and the Star Forge constantly growing larger, what chance does a ship really have of hitting the Star Forge?
Fishy. This is happening in SPACE. Once the ship has accelerated it won't need it's engines any longer since it won't get slower and that means they can send suicide ships to the SF or to the temple quite easily. Theoretically they could just "aim" on the SF and switch the Hyperdrive on - even a single starfighter wrecking through the station at x times speed of light will damage the thing heavily...not even talking about a capital ship impacting on the SF.
Well...the Rakatan Empire did exist from 49,000 BBY to 28,000 BBY. The time it was established is probably the same time they invented the Hyperdrive means they had 21,000 years to develop capable space vessels before the construction of the SF and the events following destroyed their Empire.
The ships in KotoR are on a compareable level (21,000 years from the re-invention of the Hyperdrive) to the Rakatan ships. Yet the Rebels have another 4 millenia of technological development added so their technology could be more advanced than the Rakatan technology.And I wasn't estimating that the Rebel ships won't get affected by the SF shields since we know that ships can still be stopped by shields (ROTJ) - but I think they would be able to spot the SF shields before entering them. The technology of planetary shielding or shielding in general (for ships) was not far developed in Revan's times - it is in the times of the Rebellion. Now...if they can spot an active shield guarding the Death Star before entering it (ROTJ) and the same can be reproduced by Imperials (they noticed the shield over Hoth in ESB), I don't see a reason why they won't be able to spot the SF shield or find it's source.
Yeah okay they could probably detect the shields, but it wouldn't do them any good would it? It wouldn't make them destroy the shields.
There are some points to suggest otherwise:
a) The ships crashed on the planet because when hitting the shields their systems were taken out and the planet was the nearest (or only) place to land on.
b) As I said: Scouting ships would fly in some formation meaning they will most likely not hit the shields all at once so even if one of them goes down there will be others left. Yet - even if that's not the case. What do you think would the Rebels do when their scout ships don't return ? They will go search for them. Now with the advanced scanners they have they will most likely spot them even if they are on the planets surface before they hit the shield and I don't see them making the same error again and again.
c) Why would the shield cover the Rakatan Homeworld ? They had no reason to do that. With all the power of the SF they had easily enough ships to protect that world. What would it help if ships that want to land on the world anyway would just be forced to do it without working engines ?
A) The engines weren't destroyed by the shield neither was anything else, if the planet was not in the shielded area then they could just start flying again when near the planet and leave the area untouched. This was obviously not the case, and therefor the only conclusion we can reach is that the planet was indeed within shield range.
B) No, I agree here. They would see what happens and stop or turn around but it would not help them very much.
C) Well the ships friendly to them could still fly there because of the shields. Also the ruler of the Star Forge was at times ruling an Empire in civil war, it would only be logical to protect his home planet, besides like I said in A) if the planet wasn't protected ships would have flown away because the shield doesn't destroy things just disables them.
The Rebellion has at least one force user (Luke) and Leia who can "use" her force skills to a certain extend. And they have C-3PO who is programmed with 6 million communication forms. It's very unlikely that they won't find a way to communicate with the Rakatan.For the brute force: As Glentract explained (do you just refuse to read it) a pointed landing without working systems can be easily done once you know you have to land without engines (and the Rebels will figure that out quickly) meaning they would be able to send an entire army down on the planet. And personally I don't see Revan stopping them. The only thing he could do (unless you want to assume that he will start attacking the planet from the orbit and risk to destroy the shield) is dispatching own ground troops. If he does this he will be heavily outnumbered and beaten in terms of firepower.
And judging distance. If a Rebel ship comes down near the beach they would be able to went to the temple in less than 5 minutes and blow it away in probably 10 minutes after they have landed. Not that much reaction time for Revan even if he's able to see them landing (and that would most likely not be the case if they come from the night side of the planet).
Okay... First about the Jedi..
you are the rebellion you have to reach the Star Forge and the place the shield comes from, it could come from the unknown planet where you have no information from and it could come from the Star Forge. You are not sure, you do know that your ships can't get into the shield and continue working. So the logical thing to do would be sending in your Jedi the most powerful person in your army, hoping he would go to the right place. Strange decision if you ask me.
Lets say you are Revan, you are forced to retreat into one single system, everything you have depends on the Star Forge and the planet down below. Well it pretty much is everything you have, still you have an army and Sith Lords, what do you do? Centralize them all, trusting a technology thats not your own to work without any doubt and possibility of failure, when it has failed with you? ignoring the unknown planet or do you send your fleet everywhere within your shield to make sure nobody finds a way to get in and heavily reinforce the temple of ancients with Sith Lords to make sure nobody gets in.
Do you at the same time let the Rakatan live or do you destroy them to make sure they can never tell the secret of the temple to anybody else.
What seems more likely?
Revan his fleet would be all over the incoming Alliance ships and his fighters could enter the atmosphere and shoot at the rebel troops on the ground. They did so at the end of Kotor, well they didn't shoot but they did fly over so we know they can. The rebels would face very hard times if that happens and after that they would face a large and powerful portion of Revan his Sith Lords, while trying to blow up the temple because the Rakatan would most likely be death.
Revan didn't kill them before because they weren't a threat, and might be useful I don't think he would risk that again in this situation when he's losing the war instead of winning.
Now you are again assuming that the shield is something like a huge corridor which even is located beyond the SF (meaning it continues far into space from the side of the SF that is averted from the planet). 30,000+ kilometres would be a VERY huge (and almost unnecessary) shielding range.
The rakatan homeworld seems to be inside the shield so its a pretty logical assumption to make if you ask me. Especially when you consider the fact that a planet rotates around the sun so make the shield a small corridor between two places would be a strange and stupid thing to do. And it would probably fail, making it a big round buble thingie would probably make it protect the area and the planets far more effective.
In this case still Revan would have basically "lost" since he can't get out of his own system, can't get any support in, and will run out of resources / troops sooner or later.
Yeah he would have lost, but he wouldn't run out of resources the unknown world could probably still feed his troops, or at least a reasonable section of them. But you would be right, he would pretty much have lost and as soon as he would die the alliance would have won for good (not before because none of his troops could challenge him and therefor couldn't challenge his orders).
Fishy. This is happening in SPACE. Once the ship has accelerated it won't need it's engines any longer since it won't get slower and that means they can send suicide ships to the SF or to the temple quite easily. Theoretically they could just "aim" on the SF and switch the Hyperdrive on - even a single starfighter wrecking through the station at x times speed of light will damage the thing heavily...not even talking about a capital ship impacting on the SF.
Seriously a unshielded ship without engines going towards the star forge constantly being fired upon by a huge amount of guns and with its path blocked by ships about the same size? It doesn't have a chance of hitting the Star Forge...
Originally posted by Fishy
Seriously a unshielded ship without engines going towards the star forge constantly being fired upon by a huge amount of guns and with its path blocked by ships about the same size? It doesn't have a chance of hitting the Star Forge...
Fishy, I'm sorry, I've been really busy lately and to busy to make a large post, but I do have time for this and I will respond to the rest of your post soon.
Fishy, you are making a huge failure in reasoning when saying that a Mon Calamari ship could never hit the SF.
Firstly, Mon Calamari ships survived over 30 minutes of continued bombardment from Star Destroyers and even one Super Star Destroyer. A SSD has 400 times the firepower of a Leviathan, yet Mon Calamari Cruisers survived bombardment from them for over half an hour without significant damage. How are far weaker ships going to stop it in a much lesser amount of time?
Also note that even though a Leviathan might maneuver itself into the Mon Calamari ships way, it wont matter much because even though a Mon Calamari Cruiser is only twice as long(6 times if we count they send one of the bigger ships) they are much less massive. A ball that is 10 feet thick has more than double the mass of a ball that is 5 feet thick, even though it is only double the length.
During acceleration, ships withstand a total of more than 1E18 N of force. This is an enormous amount, and although I haven't calculated anything out(because their is not enough info with which to make and realistic calculations, I am very confident that the impart of a roughly hollow Leviathan would be about the same, maybe a little less than this. Note that these ships routinely survive this without damage every time they accelerate.
No way for them to stop it.
(picture to show low hollow the Leviathan is, thus its lesser mass)
Originally posted by Fishy
Well he sure wasn't the military genious Revan was, we know that much. And your explanation doesn't hold up.
No, but he still had people like Saul Karath. You haven't proved how my explanation doesn't hold up.
Originally posted by Fishy
Your commando's don't know how to fire a gun. Just as stupid a statement. When somebody is pushed into a corner forced to retreat into one place he would make sure that the last place he owns is protected in incredible ways, and that he at least knows everything that happens everywhere. And have you ever heard of Radar, they would probably spot the ships with that. But if not they would definitly do so with the scouts.
Radar, or any sensor for that matter, can't go through a planet. That is the entire point of coming in on the far side of the planet. It's been done before and you have no proof that it won't work this time.
Originally posted by Fishy
Okay, Malak was unopposed he had all the power in the world and the republic was falling, would he need to create a defense that was far greater then the defense he already had? Of course not.
What? He already knew that Revan was back and out for his blood. He would increase the defences. That and the defences Revan had put their when he first got it.
Originally posted by Fishy
Revan however is defeated and in a corner its his last stronghold, would he trust the defense that the SF has or would he add his own, probably the last. Every reasonable general would do that, and Revan is far above reasonable.
h a huge Sith fleet thats on high alert. Especially after they lose their shields
Once the shield is down Revan is screwed no matter what. Also note that no sentient creature can stay on high alert for extended periods of time without a visible threat. Revan's troops will lose their edge.
Originally posted by Fishy
Okay lets make a list of whats going to happen according to you
It's a crappy one as you left out a lot of stuff.
Originally posted by Fishy
- The rebel alliance that has no idea what the SF is or does is going to send a commando unit to destroy it, knowing full well that its most likely going to be filled with Sith Lords. And that a huge fleet is protecting it. Yet still for some reason they assume the commando's could get through.
They first will send scouts with high powered sensors and a small strike force. Then a commando team goes in.
Originally posted by Fishy
- For some reason they send these commando's towards the Rakatan planet, which has absolutely no use for them
No, they know their is a shield and can detect the shield because of their sensors.
Originally posted by Fishy
- all ships crash at the same time and lose the ability to communicate, yet still somehow they all manage to land on the same small beach unnoticed.
Projected trajectory. We have been using is all of the time with great accuracy.
Originally posted by Fishy
- After that they leave the ships destroy Rancors and Rakatan and then for some reason the incredibly stupid Mandelorians charge them head on from a great distance. Mandelorians who can not be seen and could lay the perfect ambush, they did create an ambush against Revan when he was there. I don't see why they wouldn't do the same this time. Stronger weapons are nice but 12 heavy repeaters blasting in your ranks.. well its going to hurt.
I actually like Nai's idea of an entire army attacking which would easily be feasible, but I still like my idea better because the Rebels could do it with less casualties.
The Rakata use sticks and wear no armor. They are not a threat as a single blaster shot can take them down. How many times do I have to explain this? No losses.
The Rancors were never encountered in groups larger than two, and if it is shot, say 300 times, it is going down(takes just a few seconds to shoot one that many times and the Rancors can be shot from far away because they are easy to see). No losses.
Mandalorians are horribly outnumbered and the Rebels have things like bioscanners which make older cloaking technology ineffective in their time and can see the Mandalrians from 1500 meters away. Why do you think cloaking technology was abandoned? Because in the 4000 years to the Rebels time, technology was made to make cloaks easily defeatable. Cloaking sheilds that can defeat this are rare and not the same ones the Mandaldalorians had. Few losses. Maybe 10.
Originally posted by Fishy
- For some reason the rebels survive all of that then reach the temple blow it up. The Sith Lords inside are going to be as stupid as the Mandelorians and just stay in their rooms waiting to be killed. They aren't going to be outnumbered anymore by this time either so they could easily take the rebels if they would use their heads and attack. But of course they are not, because for some reason the rebels are brilliant and can do everything and all their opponents are so stupid that you would be surprised if they can tie their shoes.
There are still 90 Rebels, so I suggest you stop making assumptions without any form of proof whatsoever.
Are you telling me that you don't think a bunch of Sith who haven't fought in years are going to be on high alert? No, they are going to be lax and having half of their Temple blown in is going to scare the crap out of them.
Also note that they are outnumbered more than 4 to one. Look at how great the PT Jedi Masters(Ki-Adi Mundi, for example) did against equivalent numbers of troops.
Originally posted by Fishy
- After that the temple is blown up the commando's somehow survived and for some reason they destroy the SF shields even though the shields are powered from a different location.
You have no proof of this. Stop spitting out all the BS you want.
Originally posted by Fishy
- After that they proceed to the Star Forge, make their way through a huge Sith fleet thats on high alert. Especially after they lose their shields
The Commando's job is done at this point. As I've already shown, the Sith fleet doesn't stand a chance against the Rebel one and Revan has a very limited population from which to draw crew from, limiting the number of ships he can makes since droid pilots weren't invented yet.
Originally posted by Fishy
- They go into the Star Forge and blow the thing up.
See above.
Originally posted by Fishy
Even if the first things would be possible, which they are not then it still wouln't serve any purporse, yeah the temple of ancients would be destroyed. Big deal. Who cares.
The Temple is gone meaning the shield is gone. The Rebel Fleet then proceeds to blow the crap out of the Revan's Empire.