Character Ownage

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Cap is enhanced, too. The peak human thing is bs and most writers realize it. And even if we stick to it, being peak human in all areas = superhuman, as that's impossible.

Every Inhuman is supposed to be enhanced, but that's usually forgotten... some writers wanted mutants to be the same, btw. Anyway, enhanced attributes aren't that cool when your immune system sucks. Secondhand smoke, exhaust fumes, catching a cold... anything can kill Karnie.

From Marvel point of view:

Olympic athletes = what humans do at their best

Peak humans = does what Olympic athletes do casually and can do crazy things those OA cannot

Enhanced humans = same as above, just replace the words with the same logic

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He can't even beat a blind man:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80103/5482317-rco016_1476297711.jpg

And yes, it was a one-shot, as they were just blocking each other strikes before that page...

His durability is shit. A toddler would KO Karnie.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
From Marvel point of view:

Olympic athletes = what humans do at their best

Peak humans = does what Olympic athletes do casually and can do crazy things those OA cannot

Enhanced humans = same as above, just replace the words with the same logic

Cap has been called enhanced and preternatural too, though.

He's not a peak human just because handbooks want him to be. Same as Daken doesn't have his skeleton laced with the muramasa blade "metal".

Then you have stuff like Steve being 3 times stronger than adult Bucky and Cable admitting his physical inferiority as well.

Originally posted by deathslash
meh, that's daredevil (who is essentially Marvel's Batman/Nightwing) and it's in Matt's own series too, so of course he would get wanked. With that said, Karnak is only good against B-list martial artists.

It's recent, happened during the time Inhumans were (and still are) wanked like crazy and Karnie even had his own series.

B-list? Lol, you fanboy. I could maybe see Karnak beating Jean Grey, Pepper Potts or Mary Jane after a long fight.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Cap has been called enhanced and preternatural too, though.

Where ? When ?

He's not a peak human just because handbooks want him to be. Same as Daken doesn't have his skeleton laced with the muramasa blade "metal".

The handbooks just report what's on the comics ^^

Then you have stuff like Steve being 3 times stronger than adult Bucky and Cable admitting his physical inferiority as well.

Scan ?

Isn't that about Ultimate Cap ?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

Then you have stuff like Steve being 3 times stronger than adult Bucky and Cable admitting his physical inferiority as well.

When was this?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Probably Karnak's only feat of ever making physical contact with a woman 😂

😂

Poor Karnak, the Rhino of the martial artists.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Where ? When ?

Preternatural strength:

Enhanced mind:

https://i.stack.imgur.com/kdgWx.jpg

There are more, including interviews from writers like Brubaker, who clarified that while Cap is no Spider-Man power lv-wise, he's not Batman, either.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
The handbooks just report what's on the comics ^^

No... they blatantly lie. Guys who write handbooks sometimes don't even bother to read the comics. Secondary source, at best.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Scan ?

Isn't that about Ultimate Cap ?

616:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/60791/3209932-ca_34_dcp_0016.jpg

Originally posted by Damborgson
😂

Poor Karnak, the Rhino of the martial artists.

True 😆

Iron Fist recent showings are in the same way. ^^

Originally posted by Sin I AM
When was this?

During Bucky's stint as CA. Brubaker's run, I'm pretty sure.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

During Bucky's stint as CA. Brubaker's run, I'm pretty sure.

Isn't that just hyperbole or something ?

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Isn't that just hyperbole or something ?

Pretty much. Plus Bucky sucked ass as cap during that run

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Isn't that just hyperbole or something ?

Not likely, as the same writer has stated this:

Originally posted by Deadline
Caps is above peak human. These are quotes from Ed Brubaker. Thanks go to Daredevil1 for finding them.

http://www.comicboards.com/camb/view.php?rpl=060330214926

"Just physical exertion. While I don't think of Cap as 'super' like Spider-man or Superman,[B] he's clearly not Batman with a shield. He's not just like a guy who works out all the time and is trained. He's been enhanced, and I wanted to show that a bit."

"See, I never understand why everyone gets so worked up about this stuff. Cap was given the Super-Soldier Serum. The first word there is SUPER. He's not superman, but clearly, he's been shown to be much faster and stronger than a well-trained athlete, many many times. One of everyone's favorite Cap appearances seems to be DD: Born Again, where he's shown running to fast that he's a breeze."

http://www.comicboards.com/camb/view.php?rpl=060418204829&q=ed%20brubaker

"I see it as he's the ultimate of human potential. Not something the modern man could ever be, but like an evolutionary next-step, basically. He's not Thor or Spiderman, but he's not Batman, either." [/B]

More quotes on CV:

I agree with parts of a lot of people's comments here and elsewhere. But I think it's a bit funny to see people get so bent out of shape when a guy who's given something called the "Super Soldier Serum" turns out to be a bit more than the average human. He's been leaping out of the windows of eight story buildings and across city streets in NYC, dodging bullets, doing amazing feats of speed and strength, since I started reading the book in the early 70s.

My take has always been that Cap is the peak of human POTENTIAL. What humans might someday be able to do, physically, he already can. If it was just about having an olypic-level athlete, do you really think all these groups and scientists would have been wasting 50plus years trying to replicate the SSS?

All I've done is have him say outloud what's always been pretty clear to me as a fan of the character. He's always been a lot stronger and faster than the average well-trained athlete. And I've always hated the Batman comparisons. Batman trained himself, Cap got given a miracle serum. I'm not making that up or changing anything.

Daredevil is more like Batman, physically, and yet in Born Again, Cap races by him so fast he's a breeze. As for Cap running 60mph. In the comic, I think he says he can run a mile in a little over a minute when he HAS to. It's not even implied that he can keep that up all day. It's a full-on burst of speed, when he has to.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/captain-america-rogers/4005-1442/forums/is-cap-peak-human-or-super-human-721245/

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Not likely, as the same writer has stated this:

More quotes on CV:

I agree with parts of a lot of people's comments here and elsewhere. But I think it's a bit funny to see people get so bent out of shape when a guy who's given something called the "Super Soldier Serum" turns out to be a bit more than the average human. He's been leaping out of the windows of eight story buildings and across city streets in NYC, dodging bullets, doing amazing feats of speed and strength, since I started reading the book in the early 70s.

My take has always been that Cap is the peak of human POTENTIAL. What humans might someday be able to do, physically, he already can. If it was just about having an olypic-level athlete, do you really think all these groups and scientists would have been wasting 50plus years trying to replicate the SSS?

All I've done is have him say outloud what's always been pretty clear to me as a fan of the character. He's always been a lot stronger and faster than the average well-trained athlete. And I've always hated the Batman comparisons. Batman trained himself, Cap got given a miracle serum. I'm not making that up or changing anything.

Daredevil is more like Batman, physically, and yet in Born Again, Cap races by him so fast he's a breeze. As for Cap running 60mph. In the comic, I think he says he can run a mile in a little over a minute when he HAS to. It's not even implied that he can keep that up all day. It's a full-on burst of speed, when he has to.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/captain-america-rogers/4005-1442/forums/is-cap-peak-human-or-super-human-721245/

👍👍

Love Cap. The best hero ever created.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Not likely, as the same writer has stated this:

More quotes on CV:

I agree with parts of a lot of people's comments here and elsewhere. But I think it's a bit funny to see people get so bent out of shape when a guy who's given something called the "Super Soldier Serum" turns out to be a bit more than the average human. He's been leaping out of the windows of eight story buildings and across city streets in NYC, dodging bullets, doing amazing feats of speed and strength, since I started reading the book in the early 70s.

My take has always been that Cap is the peak of human POTENTIAL. What humans might someday be able to do, physically, he already can. If it was just about having an olypic-level athlete, do you really think all these groups and scientists would have been wasting 50plus years trying to replicate the SSS?

All I've done is have him say outloud what's always been pretty clear to me as a fan of the character. He's always been a lot stronger and faster than the average well-trained athlete. And I've always hated the Batman comparisons. Batman trained himself, Cap got given a miracle serum. I'm not making that up or changing anything.

Daredevil is more like Batman, physically, and yet in Born Again, Cap races by him so fast he's a breeze. As for Cap running 60mph. In the comic, I think he says he can run a mile in a little over a minute when he HAS to. It's not even implied that he can keep that up all day. It's a full-on burst of speed, when he has to.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/captain-america-rogers/4005-1442/forums/is-cap-peak-human-or-super-human-721245/

Well, Bro.

He is giving Marvel's definition of what peak human is.

Batman has to work out like a crazy to achieve the same result.

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt, bro.

We can do this all day.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Preternatural strength:

Enhanced mind:

https://i.stack.imgur.com/kdgWx.jpg

There are more, including interviews from writers like Brubaker, who clarified that while Cap is no Spider-Man power lv-wise, he's not Batman, either.

No... they blatantly lie. Guys who write handbooks sometimes don't even bother to read the comics. Secondary source, at best.

616:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/60791/3209932-ca_34_dcp_0016.jpg

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Denial ain't just a river in Egypt, bro.

We can do this all day.

I just want people to get that Athlete is what Marvel consider as Olympic level athlete and Peak human is beyond that:

Look at the last image.

The description is what a Peak Human is, far beyond an Olympic athlete.

Real life people can deadlift more than 800 lbs.

Thats not even close to sufficient enough to describe Cap's strength.