Sidious - The Debate

Originally posted by Escape81
Kevin J. Anderson was the novelist to come up with the concept of Exar Kun. Therefore it is his creation. And he stated plainly that Kun was to be on a lower tier than Emperor Palpatine. Sorry.

This could open the possibility that Exar Kun may even be Non-Canon Bullshit like the NJO, Correct?

His creation has no relevance to Lucasfilm, so therefore it could be considerable that he doesn't really matter. Although he was mentioned... In some game... that's about it.

I honestly couldn't care a less about Palpatine.

All I see is a few Fanboys going restlessly crazy because everyone didn't center themselves around the character that basically owned the SWU.

No offense, but Sidious being almost the most important and popular character, not many are going to want to pay much attention to him... At all.

Oh, Mr. Anderson did far more than create Exar Kun. He created Ulic, he created Marka Ragnos, Freedon Nadd, Naga Sadow...his comics, Tales of the Jedi were what allowed KOTOR to even exist. That was one of the few times Lucas took interest and shared his concepts with Anderson.

^ All have considerate proof of being Non-Canon. Thanks for the list.

Palpatine may be stronger in the force than Mace, but Windu is a better duelist, much younger and uses a style Sidious couldn't have known-And according to Nick Gillard, Sidious is a master of every weapon and style, though we're to assume it means no Vaapad. Plus, the fight wasn't over yet any more than it was whenMaul had Obi-wan on the ropes.
Lucas meant to show that Yoda and Palpatine were dead equals in the fight as well and in the ROTS novelization, Yoda realizes he cannot win and he'll die if the fight continues.

Yoda? Die? Hah! That's quite the laugh considering he had an upper hand for a number of times during the fight and had Sidious running out of his Office during the beginning.

He left because he had just fallen over two-hundred feet onto a Cold steel floor after HIS OWN POWERFUL BLAST caused him to do so.

Just because he knew all the Forms does not make him some Uber-Superior duelist to ANYONE in that entire series.

For all you know, he knows LITTLE BITS from each form. He couldn't have mastered all of them, let alone even one considering a life time of plotting and learning how to be so powerful in the Dark side of the Force and know so much knowledge.

Sure he was good. But reason being is because he took LITTLE BITS from each Form and combined them together.

1. You're right, Ragnos and the like aren't canon, what's your point?

2. Oh, gee, let's just review Palpatine's psychology....would YOU risk a duel to the death just sprung on you against your equal after decades of planning have come together? And yeah, Yoda realized he'd die if the fight continued. Want the quote and page number?

3. HIS own powerful blast? I'd say his attempted suicide/failed block screwed up.

4. Yeeeeah, I did kinda SAY knowing all the forms didn't make you a master-Gillard said he was a master of every style though...I could find that quote too.

5. Wait, so during that life of the dark side, Plageuis never taught him to fight and he never learned himself? Shall I find the quote?

Sorgo, please shut the hell up.

Kevin J. Anderson created Kun. He then went on to say Kun is weaker than Sidious. Deal with it.

He's one to speak of fanboyism. Jesus, you wrote the damn book on Dooku fanboyism.

Originally posted by Escape81
Sorgo, please shut the hell up.

Kevin J. Anderson created Kun. He then went on to say Kun is weaker than Sidious. Deal with it.

What the hell is a Sorgo?

Of course he created Kun! No one honestly argued that.

The fact remains that a Novelist isn't going to convince me of this when so very many people have been saying that Ancient Sith Lords had greater powers.

Kreia said it too. Hopefully you've played the games?

Originally posted by Escape81
He's one to speak of fanboyism. Jesus, you wrote the damn book on Dooku fanboyism.

You don't even know me! Who gave you the right to say such things? Honestly?

1. Kevin J. Anderson created Exar Kun. He created the character. So it is ultimately up to him where his level of power lies. According to Lightsnake, Anderson stated that his Sith were below the tier of power that Emperor Palpatine is on. Gonna dispute this with the guy who made the damn character up?

2. Yoda and Sidious were equally matched. Sidious had a fear of Yoda simply because, on a deep level, the man's a damn coward. I've asked you this question before. Why in the hell would Sidious want to square off against a being who is his equal, when his plans just came full circle? None!

3. Don't accuse us of fanboyism. You're the poster child for it.

Originally posted by Ezekiel
You don't even know me! Who gave you the right to say such things? Honestly?

Sorgo, your avatar and signature are the same on the Dark Tower forums. So please . . . shut up. Not to mention your style of arguing hasn't improved, and other threads have shown your intense Dooku fanboyism.

You know what this novelist did? He. Created. The. ANCIENTS! WHO'S been saying they have greater powers?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
You know what this novelist did? He. Created. The. ANCIENTS! WHO'S been saying they have greater powers?

Kreia. Of course, Kreia's words hold more weight than the guy who made it. Sorry, this is Sorgo-logic you're dealing with.

2. Oh, gee, let's just review Palpatine's psychology....would YOU risk a duel to the death just sprung on you against your equal after decades of planning have come together? And yeah, Yoda realized he'd die if the fight continued. Want the quote and page number?

Oh my god. PLEASE! Do not even try to throw the ROTS Novelisation on the table in this arguement. ESPECIALLY that particular book. It's of no relevance and is completely disregarded.

Isn't he the one who decided to throw a few strings of Lightning at Yoda? Didn't he risk a fight with Mace Windu? Either he sorely underestimated his opponents with the Arrogance that gets him killed later on in his life OR he knew of the consequences yet still fought them both.... Even if he did lose once and had potential of losing a secondary time.

3. HIS own powerful blast? I'd say his attempted suicide/failed block screwed up.

Of course he attempted suicide.... 😕

4. Yeeeeah, I did kinda SAY knowing all the forms didn't make you a master-Gillard said he was a master of every style though...I could find that quote too.

NOT a Master. He would have raped EVERYBODY in the damned series.

5. Wait, so during that life of the dark side, Plageuis never taught him to fight and he never learned himself? Shall I find the quote?

A reliable quote by George Lucas that Darth Plageuis did indeed exist? Do show.

Originally posted by Escape81
Sorgo, your avatar and signature are the same on the Dark Tower forums. So please . . . shut up. Not to mention your style of arguing hasn't improved, and other threads have shown your intense Dooku fanboyism.

Dark Tower Forums? What the hell is this shit you claim? Please. Get rid of yourself.

1. You mean when Windu CONFRONTED him? You mean GET THE DROP ON TO KILL YODA? When he realized Yoda was better than he fouht, he tried to make the advantage him...and considering Yoda didn't kill him, HMMMM

2. Yoda screwed up that little explosion, no matter what he'd intended.

3. YES a master. You want to take it up with Nick Gillard?

4. Yes, indeed, reliable quotes on Plageuis from the Essential Chronology. Want the page number and excerpt?

Originally posted by Escape81
Kreia. Of course, Kreia's words hold more weight than the guy who made it. Sorry, this is Sorgo-logic you're dealing with.

Does that matter? I am sure a Novelist has more relevance to Canon than Lucasfilm/Lucasarts.

Right... Exar Kun exists? Of course... 😕

1. You mean when Windu CONFRONTED him? You mean GET THE DROP ON TO KILL YODA? When he realized Yoda was better than he fouht, he tried to make the advantage him...and considering Yoda didn't kill him, HMMMM

The "Drop to kill" Yoda? He knew of Yoda's power! What kind of moron underestimates someone as powerful as Yoda? Oh... SIDIOUS.

Windu did confront him and did defeat him.

Sidious was an arrogant hypocritical sap who tried to jet when he saw that Yoda got back up from his blast. He knew Yoda was a threat and Yoda stopped him from leaving and nearly defeated him. Mace? Well, he was interrupted. Sidious was nearly defeated twice during that damned Movie.

2. Yoda screwed up that little explosion, no matter what he'd intended.

Where are your Quotes Now? Show me one of your Quotes that can throw this Opinion of yours higher up than just a Theory?

3. YES a master. You want to take it up with Nick Gillard?
Sure. What's his number again?

4. Yes, indeed, reliable quotes on Plageuis from the Essential Chronology. Want the page number and excerpt?

Can you get this from Lucas? Can you find Plageius' Character in the Database? Is there any EU Material involving him? Can you find any venerable proof besides pieces of a tree? Or No?

1. Kevin J. Anderson created Exar Kun. He created the character. So it is ultimately up to him where his level of power lies. According to Lightsnake, Anderson stated that his Sith were below the tier of power that Emperor Palpatine is on. Gonna dispute this with the guy who made the damn character up?

Pardon me while I go create a Character.

I will call him "Darth Gooner" And he is more powerful than Sidious because I said so. The creator of the Star Wars has no authority over this because I am a Novelist and this means this character is 100% CANON TO THE BONE!

2. Yoda and Sidious were equally matched. Sidious had a fear of Yoda simply because, on a deep level, the man's a damn coward. I've asked you this question before. Why in the hell would Sidious want to square off against a being who is his equal, when his plans just came full circle? None!

When did you ask me this question? Have I known you previously somewhere, Escape? TF.net? SW.com?

3. Don't accuse us of fanboyism. You're the poster child for it.

What is up your ass, Guy? I am no "Posterboy".

1. Moron? He sure got the better of Dooku. But then again, the Count never was a bright guy, was he?

2. Because he's a coward.

3. Sidious fired the energy, and Yoda put it back. Yoda got the worst end of the fall, leaving the battle as a stalemate.

4. He's mentioned in the databank under Palpatine's entry, smartass.

1. Moron? He sure got the better of Dooku. But then again, the Count never was a bright guy, was he?

Not really. I could agree he was quite stupid. I mean for Lord's sake he lost to a Jedi Knight. Are we even talking about Darth Tyranus? What relevance does he hold, guy?

2. Because he's a coward.

Or because his Skills were unparalleled compared to Yoda's and Maces. Did that ever occur to you? Or does Fanboyism seem to push you away from that?

3. Sidious fired the energy, and Yoda put it back. Yoda got the worst end of the fall, leaving the battle as a stalemate.

Sidious had pods behind him. Sidious fired the energy and Yoda absorbed it and fired it back with a blend of his own caliber of energy, pushing him and Sidious off the podium.

4. He's mentioned in the data bank under Palpatine's entry, smartass.

Watch your tongue. I haven't insulted you once. Just because he was mentioned in some dorky data bank and the Movie doesn't mean he freakin' exists. It could have been one of Sidious' MANY lies.