Sidious - The Debate

1. Wow, do you have the go-ahead and assistance from Lucas and his company? No? Good.

2. Yeah, great, so why was Sidious matching Yoda?

3. And by 'pushing his energy back' Yoda screwed up/

4. Mentioned in databank, Essential Chronology, Dark Lord novel.....I'd think your argument for Plageuis not existing is down the tubes. And yeah, Essential Chronology is EU material involving him

5. One moment while I find that Nick Gillard quote:
He was asked if Sidious a Master of the Lightsaber? Or is he more of a "Force Lightning" guy? He said Sidious is a master of every weapon and every style.

http://comingsoon.net/news/topnews.php?id=7720

1. Wow, do you have the go-ahead and assistance from Lucas and his company? No? Good.

Contradiction is beautiful. Truly.

2. Yeah, great, so why was Sidious matching Yoda? [/b}

Don't make me pull out the ROTS Script. It shows Yoda having the upper hand in alot more instances than Sidious.

[B]3. And by 'pushing his energy back' Yoda screwed up/

NO! He absorbed it and then used a Two-handed Push combined with his power and Sidious', it kicked them both off the Podium. Yoda going farther because he is THREE FEET TALL AND LESS THAN 90 POUNDS!

4. Mentioned in databank, Essential Chronology, Dark Lord novel.....I'd think your argument for Plageuis not existing is down the tubes. And yeah, Essential Chronology is EU material involving him

Down the tubes? Where is he in the EU? Why didn't they give out more information? Why is he only mentioned in the Databank? You have no stone clad proof this Man/Woman exists.

5. One moment while I find that Nick Gillard quote:
He was asked if Sidious a Master of the Lightsaber? Or is he more of a "Force Lightning" guy? He said Sidious is a master of every weapon and every style.

http://comingsoon.net/news/topnews.php?id=7720

^ Nice broken link.

Oh okay the Link works nev....

Comingsoon.net?

Tell me you can do better than this. Why isn't the commentary on Video or Audio? Is there any pictures of Nick Gillard partaking in an interview? Hasn't comingsoon.net lied about their news before?

Heh... Please, guy.

Done here for now, boys.

Christmas day.

Have a merry christmas.

1. *Yawn* Yeah, when you get comissioned at Lucasarts, maybe your comments'll be worth a damn.

2. And this isn't a screw up on Yoda's part....why?

3. Want the Essential Chronology quote? And why don't Kyle Katarn and Jerec have databank entries? Why doesn't Overlord Shimrra?

4. http://www.theforce.net/episode3/jtf/palpatine.asp

Read it and weep

Originally posted by Captain REX
I would say strongest Sith, myself.

There's also the evidence that Sidious hid himself from the Jedi for years in plain sight, took control of the Republic by political means, and overthrew the Republic.

No other Sith Lord did that, even with huge fleets and immense power.

Well, there were ancient Sith Lords who've headed Empires and have maintained control way longer that Palpatine maintained Imperial power.

You mean a fully isolated empire full of Sith and not anything clsoe to ruling the entire galaxy? Not one other Sith ever took the Republic or wiped out the Jedi order

Oh.. My.. God.. What the hell happened? Thirty lightning quick messages when I'm gone for a moment.. And already banned..

But yes, Plagueis is as canon as can be as the databank doesn't state him as myth but as a real sith and it says the following:

Sidious was apprentice to Darth Plagueis, a wise Sith Lord whose knowledge of arcane and unnatural arts was reputed to extend to manipulating the very essence of life. By Sith tradition, Sidious killed Plagueis in his ascent to Master from apprentice.

And to return to topic: I think it's highly likely that Sidious was relatively the best duelist due to his probable vast knowledge and an even better tutor than Yoda. Of course there are a lot of people to who Yoda is some kind of idol but it would still make sense because it isn't irregular for the main villain to also be the strongest in these kind of movies.
And Dooku completed training under Yoda but did undergo training again, this time under Sidious.

Of course nothing is official but it would make the most sense.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
You mean a fully isolated empire full of Sith and not anything clsoe to ruling the entire galaxy? Not one other Sith ever took the Republic or wiped out the Jedi order

I wonder how big was the ancient Sith Empire in comparison to the Galactic Empire.

Like I'm sure that Palpatine's Empire was massive, but how much more massive was it in comparison with the Sith Empire because Korriban wasn't the only planet under Sith Imperialism.

The Sith Empire was tiny compared to the galaxy...Korriban was a burial world. The core world was Ziost.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
The Sith Empire was tiny compared to the galaxy...Korriban was a burial world. The core world was Ziost.

Tiny....

I don't know how small "tiny" is to you but I'd rather see the reign of territories merely to see for myself.

EDIT

In comparison to the rest of the galaxy? Pick up the Tales of the Jedi comics if you can find them. The Sith Empire was a cluster of worlds beyond the Rim, isolated and forgotten. Hell, the Hapes Cluster was over 60 worlds and considered a small part of the galaxy, nevermind Hutt Space...

Pertaining to whether Sidious is right-handed or left-handed with a lightsaber, he's ambidextrous. He's just that good. - NG

Sidious' abilities are beyond anything we've experienced. - NG

Sidious is a master of every weapon and every style. - NG

It took a really long time for Nick (Gillard) to work out Sidious' fighting style, and he has a style that's constantly changing. His style is one in which you'll never get the better of him. It is ambiguous --- he'll fight less than you and draw you in; you're a sucker if you think you're going to better him. - NG

Ah yes, hyperbole from the man who says he can pwn everyone in the series, including Ray Park.

I'm sure Nick Gillard is THE best source of all time for the fighting style of Sidious... Not the on-screen evidence at all. Jeez... sounds like NG should be left alone in his room with his Sidious action figure and a container of Vaseline.

Oh, and when Nick refers to himself in third person... priceless!

Oh, well, considering he only created Sidious's fighting style, along with Mace, Dooku, Anakin...

No, he didn't. He choregraphed the battle scenes.

What? Are you going to say that the battle choreographer for The Count of Monte Cristo can say that Edmond Dantes can pwn everyone in the movie with all weapons, either hand, at all, while balancing on one foot, despite movie evidence to the contrary?

hy·per·bo·le ( P ) Pronunciation Key (h-pûrb-l)
n.
A figure of speech in which exaggeration is used for emphasis or effect, as in I could sleep for a year or This book weighs a ton.

Do you have any evidence? Or just appeal to authority?

An appeal to authority is a type of argument in logic also known as argument from authority, argumentum ad verecundiam (Latin: argument to respect) or ipse dixit (Latin: he himself said it, where an unsupported assertion depends on the asserter's credibility). It is one method of obtaining propositional knowledge and is often a logical fallacy. Some examples of appeals to authority:

Referring to the philosophical beliefs of Aristotle. "If Aristotle said it was so, it is so".
Quotes from religious books such as the Bible. "The Bible says X, therefore X is the right thing".
Claiming that some crime is morally wrong because it is illegal. "It's against the law for stores to be open on weekends, therefore it's wrong for them to do so".
Referencing scientific research published in a peer reviewed journal. "Science (in the form of an article in a prestigious journal) says X, therefore X is so".
Believing what one is told by one's teacher. "My teacher said so, therefore it must be right."

Considering the Count Of Monte Cristo choreographer would apply to the Count of Monte Cristo alone...

Gee, most people with brains would consider quotations from the man who created Sidious's fighting style to be some bit of evidence-which it is. And yes, Gillard both choreographed the fights and created the fighting styles for the movies

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And the disclaimer.

You expect us to believe a fan site that is officially not tied in with Lucasfilm and Lucasarts just because... it's Teh Furce.net?

I can find that same info on Star Wars.com you know. TFN.net isn't official but it sure as hell gets a lot done with SW info. They've been the ones to leak a lot of info and have gotten numerous interviews.

A lot of officials tend to hang out on those forums, too

No matter what is official or not.. They apperantly used NG' idea's in the movies.

It is sane logic though that Sidious must have known more than one fighting style if he were to teach Maul in Juyo and himself clearly not using that. I believe it when the choreographer says that Sidious mastered all fighting styles.
Even the full fledged dueling master Dooku went under his training and it not unusual for the main villain to be overpowered like crazy.

Some jedi he fought were just lucky and some apperantly not..