Originally posted by BloodRain
Normal block isn't, Royal Block can then turn the energy from the punch into armour, as punch or food. Or several other things he can do.
Quality >>> Quantity. Hope made Kratos virtually invulnerable when it finally awakened (Zeus' punches bounce right off if you don't do anything), not counting the fact it enabled him to kill Zeus with his bare hands when the Blade of Olympus (a weapon Zeus himself created, that killed virtually everyone else it was used on) couldn't keep him down, and that it was the same power that killed Ares.
That really doesn't hold as much water as it would were we not talking about fictional superhuman powered characters whose abilities tend to render factors like that generally moot. No btw, I'm not saying that Dante can't necessarily hurt Kratos (assuming we're talking about a non-primed Kratos at least) either, but damage based on strength can be seen beyond just something like striking power--where, granted, Kratos is lacking in the amount of showings and Dante's best are only ever the result of an amp like Gilgamesh.
However, I think some might argue that Kratos and Zeus' fight may have possibly played a part in the Flame's chamber starting to crumble around them during their first fight, given that nothing in the area ever actually falls or anything until after an significant scenario with impact damage, like the cross-counter QTE partway through the first phase against Zeus and then dozen or so body blows Kratos delivered at the end of it. Both seen here:
Fight starts at about 5:51. Cross-counter at about 7:38. And the last QTE at around 9:02 with Falcon punch at 9:12
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Kratos punches Poseidon. Poseidon gets hurt.
What does Poseidon do just 20 minutes earlier in the game? Fly seemingly past the speed of sound (there was a cloud of condensation behind him), HEAD FIRST into the the chest of a multi-million ton craggy boulder-like titan.
Kratos punches Zeus repeatedly into a column of olympian rock and breaks the column. The same material which was strong enough to support Gaia's weight while she tried to grab a bolt charging Zeus.
The same material that when a titan threw a large boulder at a pillar where zeus and poseidon stood, did no damage upon contact whatsoever to said pillar.
The stone/materials used as the building blocks of structures on Olympus are incredibly strong as well.
Hercules throws Kratos at a significant speed towards a railing a few inches thick, and it does not even crack.
EDIT: Sniped by CC. >__> Was looking for a vid to see just how fast Kratos was thrown.
To elaborate on why speed = power doesn't work in fiction: You essentially turn your character's attack into a projectile, energy is based solely on mass and speed, and any strength they have is entirely moot, where the implication in fiction is always that it's the character's super strength at work.
Not really. In the same way in that a punch is from strength and speed, strong ones increase the strength side like speeders do for the speed side. Both doing heavier hits. As its in my head eg comic Super Sonic doing more damage on Hyper Knuckes while telling him his speed has increased. [Which plays on both his strength and now amped speed.]
Odd to think that in fiction two people with the same strength will strike with the same force even if one can move 10x faster then the other :/
Originally posted by BloodRain
Wont need to equal his strength to hurt him. Never seen any movements past peak human come from him.
No movements past peak human? That's like me saying Dante can't move faster than Mach 5. 😐
His dodges and jumps alone are way above peak human.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Zeus disagrees. 😐 Ofcourse, that's assuming Kratos has the power of hope, but even without it, the chances of Dante hurting Kratos are not good at all.
Hope makes it a stomp in Kratos favor.
His attack speeds are way way above peak human I think. He's capable of pulling of a move that is like Million Stab, but with a spear. So rapid spear thrusts.
Also, with his Blades of Athena, there's a move where he repeatedly thrusts his blades opponent with the weapons. He does about 8 or so of these 'stabs' in less than a second. So 4 with each hand.
That's all in gameplay mind you. That's how he wields his chain weapons. He's much faster with the Nemesis Whips.
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7:50. The move itself starts a second or two after 7:50
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5:10
That casual jump there proves that he isn't the slowpoke you think he is. It also proves that his running speed is far beyond peak human, due to the force his leg muscles are capable of generating.
Basically like the Hulk.
The Boots of Hermes amp that speed enormously.
Id go as far as to say his attack speed is at peak human. The 7:52 scene has 4 hits in a sec, 2 per arm. (guessing you're talking about a different instance) 8 like that would make him at about peak level arm speed, in theory he can pull off more strikes then someone with a chain whip due to his chains yo-yo like properties.
Not necessarily, some characters are just have good jumps. Like Kain. He can jump much further then that but running speed is <peak, or Sora who's the same. [Though he has fast combat speed he still has <peak running speed.] Never meant slow, just not noticeably above peak speed.
Those booties would make his running speed up to maybe sonic running speed.
Maybe peak movement, with those Boots he can run at supersonic and his strikes at peak human.
Kratos has blocked and deflected lightning from Zeus multiple times, lightning is far faster than Dante. Oh, and Zeus' base-flight speed is faster than Dante as well, considering he can breach the clouds in moments, and in GoW3 Kratos reacted to that despite being caught off guard.
Dante cannot hurt Kratos, GoW proves that. He caught the Blade of Olympus, a weapon so ludicrously more powerful than any of Dante's its ridiculous, while the Blade was wielded by Zeus, someone so much stronger than Dante it is ridiculous, in his bare hands. Dante has not a weapon on the Blade of Olympus' level, and Zeus is as strong as Kratos is, aka far stronger than Dante.
Wasn't that in gameplay? And goes to that bolt/orb thing that id rather not getting into here. If there's a scene where he moves that fast on Kratos then point me to where I can find it.. However. If he did it in 1 second, and clouds that I guessing would be in that scene are 1km high. 1km/s = Mach 3. Still slower.
Hard to believe that stopping the blade with his hands means he cant be cut. Dante can hold his blade with Nero's DB [Which is Savior+ strength] hitting from the other edge without his hand getting cut. Doesn't mean he cant be cut altogether. BarehandedBladeBlock Trope in some ways. Yes the BoO is powerful, but where is it said that cuts better then other swords? [Sparda is the top weapon but Yamato is still the top cutter.] Anyway catching with the hand doesnt mean he cant be cut.