Kratos vs Dante

Originally posted by BloodRain
Id go as far as to say his attack speed is at peak human. The 7:52 scene has 4 hits in a sec, 2 per arm. (guessing you're talking about a different instance) 8 like that would make him at about peak level arm speed, in theory he can pull off more strikes then someone with a chain whip due to his chains yo-yo like properties.

Not necessarily, some characters are just have good jumps. Like Kain. He can jump much further then that but running speed is <peak, or Sora who's the same. [Though he has fast combat speed he still has <peak running speed.] Never meant slow, just not noticeably above peak speed.

Those booties would make his running speed up to maybe sonic running speed.

Maybe peak movement, with those Boots he can run at supersonic and his strikes at peak human.

Re-watch the video & count again.
It's 8 thrusts in less than a second. The entire move starts at 7:51, and 14 hits occur by 7:52, with the 15th coming at 7:53. You can see the same move again at 7:56.
This is all gameplay speed anyway, where his speeds are at or slightly above peak human, just like Dante's.

Kain has never demonstrated any sort of leg strength, and he cannot kick down a metal grill over a door. Not to mention, the strength difference between Kratos and Kain is like the speed difference between Dante's speed and your speed.

Kratos' jumps are tied to his leg muscles, and not some unknown factor like Kain and Sora seem to have. When a person runs, the amount of force their legs generate is what determines their speed.
Besides, different characters, different universes. Bringing up Kain and Sora to justify Kratos' jumps is stupid.

Hermes is at least hypersonic given that he is faster than any other god, and that Poseidon can seemingly accelerate from 0 to Mach 1 in an instant. Then there's Zeus who is at the very least, low hypersonic.
It is his boots that make Hermes that fast. Kratos is slower than Hermes with the boots, but not by a lot. Rage of Sparta amps his base movement speed as well, and likely would amp his speed if he had the Boots on.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Wasn't that in gameplay? And goes to that bolt/orb thing that id rather not getting into here. If there's a scene where he moves that fast on Kratos then point me to where I can find it.. However. If he did it in 1 second, and clouds that I guessing would be in that scene are 1km high. 1km/s = Mach 3. Still slower.

Hard to believe that stopping the blade with his hands means he cant be cut. Dante can hold his blade with Nero's DB [Which is Savior+ strength] hitting from the other edge without his hand getting cut. Doesn't mean he cant be cut altogether. BarehandedBladeBlock Trope in some ways. Yes the BoO is powerful, but where is it said that cuts better then other swords? [Sparda is the top weapon but Yamato is still the top cutter.] Anyway catching with the hand doesnt mean he cant be cut.

2. Nero is Savior+ in strength? And yeah, it does. Take a knife, and try to catch the blade in your hand. See how well it works. Who says it cuts better than other swords? Really? 😐 It cut through Cronos like absolute butter, and practically melted the inside of Cronos' head with a stab. It was wielded by Zeus, who ended the Great Titan War with one attack with it, and keep in mind that was before it was further empowered by Kratos' God powers.

Didn't Hermes climb the Chain of Olympus in a very short time?

That's a really long chain. 😐

@DP: Odd, 3 slashes did 6 hits on the counter.. cant be bothered to go into it so I'll stick to your 4 hits per hand per second. Average fast punch is 0.2-2.5s for comparison. Either way peak speed seems ok. Difference is that Kratos gameplay is the same as his cutscenes while Dante gameplay<<<cutscenes.
This doubt is brought to you by Chain Whip clips online.

Only bringing them up to say how jump doesnt always correlate to running in games. Better example would be Cloud who's jumps is from strength and not some other factor. We'd need to see Kratos' best run to know.

See, I want to take that as it is but the slow speed he moves throughout the game bugs me... :/ That without the thing of him being the fastest I'd say he was at greyhound speed. Blahwell. Zeus is mach 2 in flight, so Hermes being faster is midhigh-supersonic. [3-4]

@Neme: Then by the way that Zeus uses them it can easily be a case of aim dodging, seeing as its more throw then shot. >_> Fine I'll take your word or just find it later. Heavy clouds are, well its more 1.5-2km especially with thunderstorms that I assumed were present in this scene. Oh, being on a mountain top would drastically lower the speed. --I'll look into this too, its not solely on speed but when Kratos struggles to fight and react to a tired and injured Hermes [so his speed wasn't anywhere near 100%] it leads me to wonder how he will compete with Dante's speed/agility which outclasses Hermes in that instance by far. Speed is: Peak Dante2>Pre DT Dante3>Peak Hermes>weakened Hermes>=Kratos who struggled against that speed.

His Devil Bringer is. Easily deflecting its hits and effortlessly holding his whole body back and Dante's sword was sandwiched between that arm and Dante's palm without being cut. Sword still goes through the gut. Did it with a dinner knife this morning... not the same as a real knife but it counts in my mind as I'm not in a game. Like the Sparda/Yamato thing yeah saying its the most powerful weapon in it fiction says nothing for cutting unless stated. Power would be that huge shockwave and god-killing powers. Blades of Athena can cut through the thinner but tougher palms to the stomach. Showing the same cutting ability from when the BoO cut the palm.

Then by the way that Zeus uses them it can easily be a case of aim dodging, seeing as its more throw then shot.

But yeah, lightning > Dante. >_>

Why not? Following the arms throwing motion is all that's needed to pull it off.

Id rather use a more entity based chain, Dante > Hermes > Kratos.

Originally posted by BloodRain
@Neme: Then by the way that Zeus uses them it can easily be a case of aim dodging, seeing as its more throw then shot. >_> Fine I'll take your word or just find it later. Heavy clouds are, well its more 1.5-2km especially with thunderstorms that I assumed were present in this scene. Oh, being on a mountain top would drastically lower the speed. --I'll look into this too, its not solely on speed but when Kratos struggles to fight and react to a tired and injured Hermes [so his speed wasn't anywhere near 100%] it leads me to wonder how he will compete with Dante's speed/agility which outclasses Hermes in that instance by far. Speed is: Peak Dante2>Pre DT Dante3>Peak Hermes>weakened Hermes>=Kratos who struggled against that speed.

His Devil Bringer is. Easily deflecting its hits and effortlessly holding his whole body back and Dante's sword was sandwiched between that arm and Dante's palm without being cut. Sword still goes through the gut. Did it with a dinner knife this morning... not the same as a real knife but it counts in my mind as I'm not in a game. Like the Sparda/Yamato thing yeah saying its the most powerful weapon in it fiction says nothing for cutting unless stated. Power would be that huge shockwave and god-killing powers. Blades of Athena can cut through the thinner but tougher palms to the stomach. Showing the same cutting ability from when the BoO cut the palm.

Before I answer some of this, what makes the Devil Bringer as physically strong as Savior? Not that it matters, Zeus is much stronger than Savior, as is Kratos. Dinner knives are not meant for rending flesh. Actually, knives in general are more fit for stabbing, so have someone swing a sword at your palms. Tell me how it turns out. Yes, God-Killing powers, it cuts through Gods and Titans like butter. It did not cut through Kratos. The Blade of Olympus sliced right through Cronos's stomach and disemboweled him, it then practically turned his skull into a microwave when stabbed into him, implying a sort of corrosive or incinerating effect when it cuts.

Kratos would sqaush Dante end of story.
Kratos kills Gods/Titans like nothing, so what makes Dante a decent opponent for him?.

Kratos is now on his way to defeat the gods of Egyptian, Hindu & Norse mythologies.

The Hindu pantheon would wtfpwn the Greek pantheon.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
The Hindu pantheon would wtfpwn the Greek pantheon.

I thought Norse gods were the strongest out of the 4 mythologies?

Norse is probably stronger than Greek/Egyptian, but the Hindu pantheon has true omnipotents.

Lord Shiva is more or less a Living Tribunal like being. Casually destroying and recreating universes.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Norse is probably stronger than Greek/Egyptian, but the Hindu pantheon has true omnipotents.

Lord Shiva is more or less a Living Tribunal like being. Casually destroying and recreating universes.

Yeah but i still would love to see Kratos kill the Hindu gods.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Actually, knives in general are more fit for stabbing, so have someone swing a sword at your palms. Tell me how it turns out. Yes, God-Killing powers, it cuts through Gods and Titans like butter. It did not cut through Kratos.

Apparently, he also blocks the Trident that Giant Poseidon wielded.

YouTube video
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~ Also, BR, I'll post my reply later. There are some screen-caps I need to upload in response, but it's not uploading. >__>

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Norse is probably stronger than Greek/Egyptian, but the Hindu pantheon has true omnipotents.

Lord Shiva is more or less a Living Tribunal like being. Casually destroying and recreating universes.

Yoruba > all...>.>

Kratos vs Kali
Kratos vs Odin
Kratos vs Seth

My cash is Kratos

Originally posted by BloodRain
Why not? Following the arms throwing motion is all that's needed to pull it off.

Id rather use a more entity based chain, Dante > Hermes > Kratos.

From the Hindu gods, Kratos could take on Saraswati, Laxshmi, Agni, Indra, Ganesha, Varuna, Vishnu, Hanuman, Shiva, Durga, Parvati, Brahma, Kali, Sita, Krishna, Rama, Sati, Shakti.

From the Egyptian gods, he takes on Anubis, Horus, Isis, Osiris, Nut, Ra, Set, Thoth, Atum, Anuket, Geb.

From the Norse gods, it should be Odin, Loki, Thor, Frigg, Baldr, Tyr, Vili, Ve, Magni, Modi, Njord, Hemidall

Kratos will slaughter them all!

No he wouldn't.

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. He throws two at once. And no, afraid not, Zeus takes practically no time to throw them. What was it you asked me to prove again? I may decide to find it later. 😐 Being on a mountain-top would drastically lower the speed? You misread, Zeus took Kratos from roughly ground level to a mountain top. In fact said mountain was not actually close to where Kratos and Zeus originally were, if I recall right. Kratos struggled to react to a tired and injured Hermes? You haven't actually played the game then? 😐 Because Kratos is able to easily react to and toss Hermes. He stomped him after Hermes was slowed. Also, we never really see the limits of Hermes' speed, he was dicking around and never fought Kratos at full strength. He just ran away. If we want to go by speeds of people Kratos fought, Zeus literally became lightning and attacked Kratos on their fight.

Before I answer some of this, what makes the Devil Bringer as physically strong as Savior? Not that it matters, Zeus is much stronger than Savior, as is Kratos. Dinner knives are not meant for rending flesh. Actually, knives in general are more fit for stabbing, so have someone swing a sword at your palms. Tell me how it turns out. Yes, God-Killing powers, it cuts through Gods and Titans like butter. It did not cut through Kratos. The Blade of Olympus sliced right through Cronos's stomach and disemboweled him, it then practically turned his skull into a microwave when stabbed into him, implying a sort of corrosive or incinerating effect when it cuts.

Still, like I said after this post, following the arms throwing motion is all that's needed to pull it off. Urm, his ground to cloud speed feat? It would lower the speed as sea-level to clouds in a sec is faster then mountain top to clouds in a sec, but now I'm thinking of different instances, can't peg the right one. Nope, did watch the walkthrough though. Yeah after Kratos uses the bolder as a canon to get to Hermes, the fall or whatever injures him quite a bit. So much that he left a long trail of blood and was out of breath when found. [Meaning the short run from where he fell to where he's fought wore him out until Kratos arrives.] Throughout the fight he's still able to mock and evade the majority of Kratos' attempts. Point is that dicking around, fatigued, injured/loss of blood, Hermes was still able to run about avoiding most of the attacks and 'tap' Kratos from time to time. As in the chain in my last reply, easily replicated to a greater extent.

For being able to deflect it's strikes and hold the whole thing back. I'm not comparing Nero's strength to Zeus.I'm saying that the DB animation has that arm and Dante's hand doing with Rebellion what Zeus and Kratos did with the BoO. Dante's hand wasn't cut in two but can still be impaled by lesser force. Actually wish someone I knew had a sword to test it :/ Real life it wont work I know, but as mentioned with Dante games tend to do this. That head-go-burn would be its godkilling properties. For all we know it it could be a better cutter then his other blades but if so not by far.

Originally posted by cnorwood
lol the fact that kratos, toyed with hermes before he tortured him, makes this just garbage

Way to much religion in here.

Originally posted by iChaos
No he wouldn't.

Yes he could, in GOW III ending Kratos has become Death in Greek mythology and has become immortal.
Even the producers have said this and know thinking about having Kratos kill off every single god in mythology including Egyptian, Norse & Hindu gods.

I would love to see Kratos kill Shiva, Loki & Set.