" In no way did Thanos show he hurt or pose a threat to Odin. Thanos' output is not skyfather level"
Thats why i said it was his durability that was impressive not his raw power.
"wasn't that thanos was MORE afraid of g -- he didn't seem to fear odin at all -- in fact he seemed to look forward to the battle. and surely he should have had SOME fear for one whose power has 'shaken the multiverse'. "
He didnt feared any of the two. He attacked both. Thanos "the End", no?
"one writer makes one ridiculous comment and everyone latches onto it and claims it as a feat. again, bullcrap. i like your take of the thanos fight though, b. sounds plausible -- more plausible than 'odin didn't fight at his max . . .' "
Like Beyonder claiming Hulk has infinite strenght? 😄
Odin has had those while fighting on panel. And not only in one story. Neither two. You just need to read them. If you dont take them, then i see no reason to take -any- statement on panel at all.
"You see all the inconsistances in marvel writing thats the problem Leo and thats why I am going to wind them all up with - Who has Odin ever beaten apart from Thanos who is a jobber a lot of the time"
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Who has Odin ever beat?
http://superherochat.net/phpBB2/vie...c&start=600
Thanos = Jobber? Where? He has a freaking low showing ever. The man beats top tiers as they are nothing, owns heralds and even stakes against comics and the like.
" not as much of a jobber as Darksied has become but still a Jobber. In fact Odin himself is a jobber,"
Darkseid is THE jobber. How? Check is record win and showings post crisis and compare with what he was pre crisis. Nothing to compare at all.
Odin is a jobber? No, but he has some "good" low showings. Especially the odinsleep wich is a great plot device.
"mangog was a bad ass, no doubt, but again, thor beat him on his own. it's arguable whether he was portrayed different then and now"
You read the link i gave you, didnt you? How can you read those stories and come with that Thor/Mangog showing and tell me it was written as the same portrail.
Its the same thing with the first Lobo/Superman fight when he was smacked down and the one where he punched Lobo into orbit. Its the same characters but is it the same thing?
Originally posted by olympian
" In no way did Thanos show he hurt or pose a threat to Odin. Thanos' output is not skyfather level"Thats why i said it was his durability that was impressive not his raw power.
"wasn't that thanos was MORE afraid of g -- he didn't seem to fear odin at all -- in fact he seemed to look forward to the battle. and surely he should have had SOME fear for one whose power has 'shaken the multiverse'. "
He didnt feared any of the two. He attacked both. Thanos "the End", no?
"one writer makes one ridiculous comment and everyone latches onto it and claims it as a feat. again, bullcrap. i like your take of the thanos fight though, b. sounds plausible -- more plausible than 'odin didn't fight at his max . . .' "
Like Beyonder claiming Hulk has infinite strenght? 😄
Odin has had those while fighting on panel. And not only in one story. Neither two. You just need to read them. If you dont take them, then i see no reason to take -any- statement on panel at all.
"You see all the inconsistances in marvel writing thats the problem Leo and thats why I am going to wind them all up with - Who has Odin ever beaten apart from Thanos who is a jobber a lot of the time"
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Who has Odin ever beat? No comments.
Thanos = Jobber? Where? He has a freaking low showing ever. The man beats top tiers as they are nothing, owns heralds and even stakes against comics and the like.
" not as much of a jobber as Darksied has become but still a Jobber. In fact Odin himself is a jobber,"
Darkseid is THE jobber. How? Check is record win and showings post crisis and compare with what he was pre crisis. Nothing to compare at all.
Odin is a jobber? No, but he has some "good" low showings. Especially the odinsleep wich is a great plot device.
"mangog was a bad ass, no doubt, but again, thor beat him on his own. it's arguable whether he was portrayed different then and now"
You read the link i gave you, didnt you? How can you read those stories and come with that Thor/Mangog showing and tell me it was written as the same portrail.
Its the same thing with the first Lobo/Superman fight when he was smaked down and the one where he punched Lobo into orbit. Its the same characters but is it the same thing? You dont even need to use the one where he punched the man into orbit. Use one before like when he fought the Legion and encountered Lobo.
Calm down mate Thor will get a new series j/k it's only my opinion they are jobbers. I still think they are, but you don't we're cool.
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<<You read the link i gave you, didnt you? How can you read those stories and come with that Thor/Mangog showing and tell me it was written as the same portrail.
Its the same thing with the first Lobo/Superman fight when he was smacked down and the one where he punched Lobo into orbit. Its the same characters but is it the same thing?>>
mangog pounded the holy CRAP out of thor about 3 times in that recent arc. thor used a godblast down the throat as the only way to harm him. thor didn't have any effect on him back then, no effect recently. he just used a different attack. how do you know the attack wouldn't have worked back then? you don't. it may well have. as i said his portrayal in the arcs may or may not have been the same.
Originally posted by olympian
"Calm down mate Thor will get a new series j/k it's only my opinion they are jobbers. I still think they are, but you don't we're cool."What can i say, i woke up late after a night out 😄
Even so Whirly, jobber is kind of an extreme take. Thats when you get past low showings already.
fair enough 🙂 I tore a tendon in my finger through New Year "hijinxs" and spent this morning in casualtyl. 🙁
Originally posted by leonidas
[B]wasn't that thanos was MORE afraid of g -- he didn't seem to fear odin at all -- in fact he seemed to look forward to the battle. and surely he should have had SOME fear for one whose power has 'shaken the multiverse'. 🙄 one writer makes one ridiculous comment and everyone latches onto it and claims it as a feat. again, bullcrap. i like your take of the thanos fight though, b. sounds plausible -- more plausible than 'odin didn't fight at his max . . .'
Powers to shake the multiverse tis true. But even then, most would put Galactus above Odin. Why would Thanos fear Odin at all? Thanos wasn't even afraid of Tyrant. It would make sense for him to not be afraid of someone around Odin level. I doubt Thanos even fears Zuras. This is the guy that invaded and killed most of his own pantheon, the Eternal Titans.
as for when he was manhandled by mangog -- early thor. 196-198. i have ONE of the issues. mangog was a bad ass, no doubt, but again, thor beat him on his own. it's arguable whether he was portrayed different then and now.
When did Thor beat him on his own? Are you talking about when Mangog served Thanos?
and about the celestials -- it DOES take away a bit when you consider thor busted open exitar then busted up his brain dome. invsible woman ALSO had a good showing v the celestials.
Didn't the Celestials allowed him to do so? Cause Thor also ran into Arishem and after drawing the energies from the Earth into Mjlnornir, that blast didn't do a thing to Arishem. The Odinsword was also rammed into him only to have Arishem pull it out, examined it, and tramsuted the thing. Gaea showed up and brought Arishem offerings of perfect humans/souls which the Celestials accepted. Thor and the Destroyer couldn't do much.
As for the Invisible Woman, she's also busted up Galactus' armor according to Wynndar. Anways, in the two issues involving that incident, IW's powers operated in the same dimension as that of the true Celestial's form. Hence, it was one of the reasons she was able to break through. Even then, they had to venture to the brain and destroy it. This is all the while the Celestials were confronting the Watchers and about to destroy them. Sue, Ben, Torch, and the rest were insects. The Celestials were busy and rarely even acknowledge lower lifes. Only Franklin's been acknowledged and Franklin was Sue's kid.
and why should surtur be a peer? odin's power is far more versatile. surtur is a fire giant. odin is far more. odin did end up doing well v the dark gods. all's im saying is odin's power has been frequently shown to be limited relative to cosmics. looking at his average displays of power, it is the 'multiverse shaking' power levels (yes i have the issue where he battles set . . .) that should be considered pis moreso than the lower showings.
It's like considering WW, CM, MM, and GL as Supe's peers. Surtur forged a sword out of a galaxy. He can't do all the neaty things Odin can, but Odin can't out right take Surtur either. It's like Thor with all his might against a brute like Juggernaut. Other than BFR, Thor can't really hurt Juggy.
Odin's rarely got bad showings. Most of the time, he's battling heads of some kind of pantheon be it Frost Giants, Fire Trolls, Dark Gods, or Enchanters. Other times, they put him in the Odinsleep as the only way his enemies have a chance.
leonidasmangog pounded the holy CRAP out of thor about 3 times in that recent arc. thor used a godblast down the throat as the only way to harm him. thor didn't have any effect on him back then, no effect recently. he just used a different attack. how do you know the attack wouldn't have worked back then? you don't. it may well have. as i said his portrayal in the arcs may or may not have been the same.
Thor needed a power up after that beating to go after Mangog. And Odin was only vulnerable because he was asleep. Not sure where that Thanosi got Mangog from.
Odin stopped Silver Age Mangog by bringing to life the billions of soul that died and were trapped in Mangog. That was the only way to stop SA Mangog who easily trapped Loki, who tried to make Mangog his lackey.
Sir WhirlysplatYou see all the inconsistances in marvel writing thats the problem Leo and thats why I am going to wind them all up with - Who has Odin ever beaten apart from Thanos who is a jobber a lot of the time, not as much of a jobber as Darksied has become but still a Jobber.
Hela
Enchanters
Surtur
Ymir
Seth
Infinity
Mangog
Dark Gods
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Surfer - one shot
Drax - one shot
Annihilus - one shot
Hela - on her knees in pain after Odin grabbed her hand
In fact Odin himself is a jobber, Supes character shieds mean he wins. We need character shields on this forum!!!
Odin is a jobber? Thanos, Warlock, Strange, and Surfer all have aura's as big as Supes. Against Odin? Warlock and Strange backed the hell away from the fight. Thanos and Surfer showed up only to get slapped around. Thanos showed he could take skyfather attacks, but even he couldn't deliver any blows than harmed Odin in the less bit. Odin barely moved.
Supes would get wrecked by Odin.