Originally posted by GM Nebaris
You put Cin above Sora?
It was kind of similar to how he beat that really powerful Anzati dark jedi (Volde Karkho?)
Originally posted by darthsith19
So did I, because Dooku said Cin could beat Grievous in LOE. This was Grievous before he got injured and also in LOE is says that Grievous is Dooku's strongest Dark Side Acolyte, meaning stronger than Sora. So Cin > Grievous > Sora. Yeah, okay, so A > B and B > C doesn't necessairly mean that A > C, right? But as that's all we've got to go off about Cin...
Wasn't Sora dead by LOE.
Saber dueling:
1. Mace Windu/Count Dooku.
2. Mace Windu/Count Dooku.
3. Yoda/Darth Sidious.
4. Yoda/Darth Sidious.
5. Depa Billaba.
6. Obi-Wan Kenobi/Luminara Unduli/Anakin Skywalker.
7. Obi-Wan Kenobi/Luminara Unduli/Anakin Skywalker.
8. Obi-Wan Kenobi/Luminara Unduli/Anakin Skywalker.
9. Sora Bulq.
10. Cin Drallig.
Hmmm. Your lists are slightly off. Mace certainly shouldnt be top of the force abilities. That would go to Yoda/Sidious. Him and Count Dooku would then tie for 3rd and 4th place IMO.
However I mostly agree with your saber skills list. However I think that Yoda is at the top of the list. And that Depa Billaba should be below Anakin and Obi-wan.
Originally posted by GM Nebaris
Saber dueling:
1. Mace Windu/Count Dooku.
2. Mace Windu/Count Dooku.
3. Yoda/Darth Sidious.
4. Yoda/Darth Sidious.
5. Depa Billaba.
6. Obi-Wan Kenobi/Luminara Unduli/Anakin Skywalker.
7. Obi-Wan Kenobi/Luminara Unduli/Anakin Skywalker.
8. Obi-Wan Kenobi/Luminara Unduli/Anakin Skywalker.
9. Sora Bulq.
10. Cin Drallig.
How can you put Dooku above Yoda? Yoda defeated him twice, and one of those times where when he was on a dark influenced planet (boost for Dooku's power) and was buisy helping a women who Dooku tossed out from the window. Yoda still won....
And Mace has admitted himself that Yoda is better in the force. Mace had to rescue a pair of kids in Shatterpoint from a large object (I don't remember what it was), and he said that Yoda would simply had lifted it, but Mace couldn't.....
The most Mace has shown us is tossing around droids, Yoda has shown himself capable of lifting the Trade Federation ships which contains an ARMY of both droids and veichle if we are to count the CW....
'How can you put Dooku above Yoda? Yoda defeated him twice, and one of those times where when he was on a dark influenced planet (boost for Dooku's power) and was buisy helping a women who Dooku tossed out from the window. Yoda still won....'
Yoda was at an advantage due to his style yet Dooku was still able to fend him off. I have still yet to read Dark Redezvous.
I didn't find anything specific with Ataru>Makashi there. Ataru has almost no defence, and Yoda pretty much defended when he concentrated on saving that woman. And the same thing has happened to others. Depa, a Vaapad master, said by Mace to have developped her swordsmanship above the Vaapad he created, and as good if not a better swordsman than himself. She + 2 other jedi masters did not get close to hitting Yoda when he was unarmed. Now Yoda is attacking, they won't really stand a chance. Either they are defending or they are hitting nothing but air and getting tired... Yoda was the best duellist of the PT...
Originally posted by GM Nebaris
Makashi is a great form, don't get me wrong. It was bred for graceful dueling and has elegence and class, however when up against an overwhelming form such as Djem So/Schien, Ataru or Juyo/Vaapad, it's really not too impressive as the user is not able to maintain the concentration that is required to utilise Makashi effectively. Remember, not every Makashi dueler is as great a dueler as Count Dooku. Count Dooku is extremely experienced and would thus be able to contend with almost anybody, superior form or not but someone like Shaak Ti would easily get overwhelmed by a Schien user imo.