The Top Ten Jedi/Sith in the Clone Wars

Started by GM Nebaris13 pages

Overall:
1. Mace Windu.
2. Master Yoda.
3. Darth Sidious.
4. Count Dooku.
5. Anakin Skywalker.
6. Obi-Wan Kenobi.
7. Luminara Unduli.
8. Depa Billaba.
9. Plo Koon.
10. Sora Bulq.

Where did you get this fact? And really, everyone Yoda had faced has had the same hard time against him, thing is, how do you put Dooku above Yoda since he was better than Dooku? Yoda's defence (which should suck for an Ataru user) was actually better than anyone elses in the jedi order, and his attacks was overwhealming and he was a small target to hit, next to impossible.

However he was still not able to overcome Dooku, which he especially should have if he was actually better due to his form.

I didn't get it from anywhere. I'm just incredibly good at interpreting things like that.

They fought for about 30 seconds then Dooku put Obi and Ani's life to risk so Yoda had to save them, thus he escaped. He would not hold out for long.... I remember Mace fighting Dooku for that amount of time too, except it didn't show as clearly who the winner would be, Mace didn't overcome Dooku.

And I still wonder where it says that Ataru is much better against Makashi than other forms....

That's my point. He was an incredibly great duelist to be able to withstand both Mace and Yoda who have counteractive forms. he could possibly be the best duelist in the PT imo.

'And I still wonder where it says that Ataru is much better against Makashi than other forms....'

Not just Ataru. Juyo/Vaapad and Djem So/Schien too.

But where is the source....?

The source is my brain. It's obvious. Makashi requires the utmost concentration, which is why overwhelming forms do so well against it.

So this would render Makashi as one of the worst duelling forms, because it cannot handle anything that is overwhealming? Makashi is very good at defending and it's precise attacks would be what's neccessary to take down a bad defender wouldn't it? Either way, Yoda has won over others who are not weilding Makashi.

And Dooku still had major advantages. What would you choose? Either have a style that is made for duelling in lightsaber to lightsaber combat, having your opponent distracted with helping someone with the force, and being boosted by the dark side, or....face a makashi wielder with Ataru but with all those disadvantages?

Originally posted by GM Nebaris
Wasn't Sora dead by LOE.

Nope.

And GM Nebaris, my brain says Makashi is extremely well at defeating Ataru user's.

A Makashi user relies on the utmost concentration to duel effectively. Ataru is a completely overwhelming offensive form, which shatter's the Makashi user's concentration.

Originally posted by GM Nebaris
A Makashi user relies on the utmost concentration to duel effectively. Ataru is a completely overwhelming offensive form, which shatter's the Makashi user's concentration.

No, in most cases, Makashi is the greatest form. Meaning, on average, it would trump all other forms. The reason that Count Dooku could not overwhelm Yoda is that Yoda is simply more powerful than he is.

Dooku used Makashi to stalemate with Windu on Boz Pity.

Wasn't that when he fled from Mace? I'd barley call fleeing a stalemate...

Makashi may have been bred for dueling, however it is extremely hard to utilise at full efficiency. Only the best of the best could do it even in the hardest circumstances, such as Exar Kun or Count Dooku.

Originally posted by kamikz
Wasn't that when he fled from Mace? I'd barley call fleeing a stalemate...

They fought for less than a minute. Dooku was on his way off-planet. He realized that they were near equals (like with Yoda and Sidious) and knew that:

a) He was in a hurry.

b) He had a 50% chance of losing.

So, he had Grievous's Magnaguards blindside Mace and he left.

How was Dooku in a hurry? He said that they would leave the jedi to him, when Mace confronted him he suddenly wanted to leave. He wasn't really that eager to get away until Mace arrived...

That could be the case, OR he saw that Mace was superior to him and decided to leave. Can we really tell which?

It was the same as Dooku vs. Yoda. Dooku realised that Yoda would win and he fled. Which makes sicne since the OS says Mace and Yoda are even.

Yeah pretty much. There is no more proof to saying that Dooku fled against Mace because he thought he had a 50% chance of winning than saying he fled from Yoda cause he thought he had 50% there to.

Saber combat

1)mace
2)yoda
3)sidious
4)depa
5)anakin
6)count dooku
7)kit fisto/obi-wan
8)shaak ti
9)plo koon
10)sora