1. Ian plays Sidious, so his thoughts are indeed important.
2. Proof he unleashed more darkside power than ever before? You're operating off pure conjecture.
3. Oh yes, they sucked compared to the bed...I take the evidence of earlier sparring duels with Mace and Mace's comments on them. Sidious was just good enough to kill them in seconds before MACE could react
1. No they are not.. He does not have the authority to say things like that. What if Sam Jackson would say he would like it more if he reflected it with so much power that Mace his face got burned? Is that all of a sudden official? No its not.
2. Unlimited power, he used more power then he used before and as far as we know it was his first real fight against somebody of great power, he would have had no reason to use that much force power before. However your hiding face idea is nice, but has no evidence. Him being turned there because of the lightning and the Dark Side does.
3. So Mace had nice fights against them, then they all got slaughtered in seconds and Mace took Sidious. What does that tel you? Either that those guys were distracted confused or somehow unable to move or really defend themselves. Or that Mace never tried to fight with them. Its impossible that those guys could ever come close to Mace, if they got owned so badly by somebody Mace took out...
Originally posted by LightsnakeAs long as you know that the 'grand plan' theory some people have is nothing more than that and clearly not what Lucas intended.
Sidious doesn't control fate, but he manipulates it well enough. Who says he controlled their minds instead of using what he knew the entire time? Mace was also planning to ARREST Sidious....how suicidal was that?
Lucas indeed toned down the legend of Sidious as portrayed in the OT and made him slip up due to overconfidence or something but made him lucky that his plan still worked out somewhat as he expected.
It is just clear that he wasn't in complete control at all times. Tough luck for his fans.. (and even the actor who portrayed him)
1. Considering Sam and Ian have access to the script...Lucas could say Luke was a big cat in disguise..../can/, /should/ and /will/ are three very different things.
2. Yes, the lord of the darkside had never fought someone before...he was described by Maul as a fighter of incredible proportions. The hiding your face idea has more evidence than "Errrr......it was the lightning scarring him." Especially when a man who plays the character, gets into his head, reads the script, has access to Lucas and the like backs it up.
3. That Sidious never fought seriously against Mace, that's what it tells me. Especially as the level of his quality fighting goes down. And he doesn't kill Mace-who fails to react to save Kit even, so uber. and Mace's word carries far more weight than any speculation on fans' part
If anything the PT elaborated on Sidious as a genius and mastermind.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
1. Considering Sam and Ian have access to the script...Lucas could say Luke was a big cat in disguise..../can/, /should/ and /will/ are three very different things.2. Yes, the lord of the darkside had never fought someone before...he was described by Maul as a fighter of incredible proportions. The hiding your face idea has more evidence than "Errrr......it was the lightning scarring him." Especially when a man who plays the character, gets into his head, reads the script, has access to Lucas and the like backs it up.
3. That Sidious never fought seriously against Mace, that's what it tells me. Especially as the level of his quality fighting goes down. And he doesn't kill Mace-who fails to react to save Kit even, so uber. and Mace's word carries far more weight than any speculation on fans' part
If anything the PT elaborated on Sidious as a genius and mastermind.
You're a Sidious fanboy, you do know that right?
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Defending a character suddenly makes you a fanboy. Good to know. All hail Sorgo who is qualified to make all judgements and whose word is all
When you praise that character constantly, bring him up during different arguements that don't involve him and saying he is basically the most Powerful guy in the SWU?
^ All Qualifications of a Fanboy. Looks like you're hired.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
1. Considering Sam and Ian have access to the script...Lucas could say Luke was a big cat in disguise..../can/, /should/ and /will/ are three very different things.2. Yes, the lord of the darkside had never fought someone before...he was described by Maul as a fighter of incredible proportions. The hiding your face idea has more evidence than "Errrr......it was the lightning scarring him." Especially when a man who plays the character, gets into his head, reads the script, has access to Lucas and the like backs it up.
3. That Sidious never fought seriously against Mace, that's what it tells me. Especially as the level of his quality fighting goes down. And he doesn't kill Mace-who fails to react to save Kit even, so uber. and Mace's word carries far more weight than any speculation on fans' part
If anything the PT elaborated on Sidious as a genius and mastermind.
1. still doesn't mean anything, his word is not cannon.
2. And Maul is suddenly somebody that could know that, if your a mediocere fighter yourself everybody will seem great. You become great when described as great by the greats.
3. already talked about this on MSN the conclusion was you have no proof that Sids faked anything so you can't use it in a debate.
Bringing him up in arguments where it's relevent? Strongest guy in Star Wars? I suppose if I'm not including Jacen Solo, Luke Skywalker, Leia if she ever manages to get a damn thing done with her power and Anakin Solo at full and possibly Yoda....
Strongest Sith isn't the strongest guy
And Fishy:
1. It's still an indictator one way
2. Maul learned to fight from Sidious, fought Sidious and has seen him fight. And he WAS described as great by the greats.
3. By the time we talked on MSN, this was....far obsolete
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Bringing him up in arguments where it's relevent? Strongest guy in Star Wars? I suppose if I'm not including Jacen Solo, Luke Skywalker, Leia if she ever manages to get a damn thing done with her power and Anakin Solo at full and possibly Yoda....
Strongest Sith isn't the strongest guyAnd Fishy:
1. It's still an indictator one way
2. Maul learned to fight from Sidious, fought Sidious and has seen him fight. And he WAS described as great by the greats.
3. By the time we talked on MSN, this was....far obsolete
Relevant? I have seen you use him before in different arguments and you'll go as far as beginning to splurge about his accomplishments and how powerful he is when it isn't necessary AT ALL.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
As opposed to random bashings of him that people used with no relevance? And in discussions on power, I'd call them pretty damn relevant.But back on topic anyways....when've we seen Nom Anor display any of the skill Kir Kanos did?
Stop whining about how Sidious isn't appreciated on these Forums as well.
It's bloody ridiculous how much you and Escape both complain about how much he isn't appreciated.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Is there a complete pic of the holder os that just a Tsaisi?
Go to the SW Databank and look at Nom Anor's profile.
Databank SEZZZZZZ:
Under his list of weapons, an Amphistaff will be one of them.
Don't believe me? You have the internet. Go find out for yourself, Lightsnake.
Amphistaffs are the primary anti-personnel weapons of the Yuuzhan Vong. They are bioformed, handheld serpents that can attack in a variety of ways. They are, on average, 2-3 meters long and have skins so thick that they cannot be penetrated by a lightsaber unless preweakened (this happened in The Unifying Force). In addition to their default staff/spear configuration, amphistaffs can be wielded as a whip, wrapping around a target then biting it or prompted to spray deadly toxins at its victim. They can also bite their victims causing intense blinding pain. Another form of attack for an amphistaff is to turn into a blade that is an atom thick that its master can wield. Once the master of an amphistaff is deceased, the staff will continue attacking the assailant until either of them is dead. Normally, an amphistaff is to be wrapped around a warrior's waist, though a higher-ranking warrior would have his amphistaff wrapped around his arm.
Kir Kanos would have a weeeee bit of trouble with that.
However, Kir's order was supposed to be on par with the Jedi, being royal guards....and Kir is DAMN good for a RG...the man manages to shoot at a tie fighter and kill the pilot. Moreover, an amphistaff would be formidable in the hands of a warrior....Nom is not a fighter. He has his moments, but he pales in comparison to most people and he's got a massive coward's streak
Originally posted by Lightsnake
However, Kir's order was supposed to be on par with the Jedi, being royal guards....and Kir is DAMN good for a RG...the man manages to shoot at a tie fighter and kill the pilot. Moreover, an amphistaff would be formidable in the hands of a warrior....Nom is not a fighter. He has his moments, but he pales in comparison to most people and he's got a massive coward's streak
Sidious has a Coward Streak. A large one at that. Not to mention he wasn't really a fighter and look how much damage he managed to do?
We haven't seen Nom in much action either. He was more of a Political Arbiter and a Bio Engineer for the YV.
Sidious wasn't a member of a heavily indoctrinated warrior race. Nom was amazed Mara let him live after he was begging on his knees. He even murdered one man fighting FOR him,. who'd given his life for him just to use his blood to conceal his face
We've seen Nom fight too...he's not an elite vong fighter. Harrar would've wasted him if not for stupid wet rocks