Nom Anor VS Kir Kanos

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Sidious wasn't a member of a heavily indoctrinated warrior race. Nom was amazed Mara let him live after he was begging on his knees. He even murdered one man fighting FOR him,. who'd given his life for him just to use his blood to conceal his face

We've seen Nom fight too...he's not an elite vong fighter. Harrar would've wasted him if not for stupid wet rocks

Kind of like how Sidious begged Mace... Heh... Except he was on his ass.

If Harrar was good enough, he would have withstanded the rocks like Nom.

When did he beg him? It's incredibly obvious he was faking that entire bit to get Anakin to turn, Sorgo.

And slipping on rain soaked rocks when attacking a stable opponent is NOT being worse than your opponent. Nom was stabled and not heading towqards the cliff edge. Harrar had already proven himself to outclass Nom completely

Originally posted by Lightsnake
When did he beg him? It's incredibly obvious he was faking that entire bit to get Anakin to turn, Sorgo.

And slipping on rain soaked rocks when attacking a stable opponent is NOT being worse than your opponent. Nom was stabled and not heading towqards the cliff edge. Harrar had already proven himself to outclass Nom completely

It's obvious? You think if he was defeated and Anakin didn't show he still wouldn't beg for his life? It was also incredibly obvious that he was a Coward and that he wouldn't put all he had in stake by being a smart ass to a Jedi who wanted to kill him. Either way, there would have been some serious begging.

Harrar lost. Bottom line. Either way he was insuperior and wasn't aware of his surroundings, so he died.

The conjecture doesn't work here: He was lying to turn Anakin. Lucas himself says Sidious was faking after Anakin entered the room on the commentary

Harrar LIVED. And he totally outclassed Nom. Nom had nothing to do with his falling. I could name quite a few times Nom got completely careless...hell, he got his hand removed by LEIA

Originally posted by Lightsnake
The conjecture doesn't work here: He was lying to turn Anakin. Lucas himself says Sidious was faking after Anakin entered the room on the commentary

Harrar LIVED. And he totally outclassed Nom. Nom had nothing to do with his falling. I could name quite a few times Nom got completely careless...hell, he got his hand removed by LEIA

He was also scrambling away like a scared child when he fell on his ass.

So... The conjecture isn't relevant?

He wouldn't have begged for his life if Anakin hadn't shown up? The same thing would have happened.

So? Sidious was chucked over a damned Generator.

Leia was a considerably powerful Jedi.

Didn't we go over this? WHAT THE HELL is so wrong about 'getting away from the man with the saber?' And the same thing wouldn't have happened if Anakin didn't show up, because Palpatine would have destroyed Windu in the Force. Issues believing he faked/exaggerrated his weakness/tricked Anakin? Take it up with Lucas.

And Nom has nothing to do with Sidious. And Leia powerful by that time? She realized she sucked soon after and got training from Saba

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Didn't we go over this? WHAT THE HELL is so wrong about 'getting away from the man with the saber?' And the same thing wouldn't have happened if Anakin didn't show up, because Palpatine would have destroyed Windu in the Force. Issues believing he faked/exaggerrated his weakness/tricked Anakin? Take it up with Lucas.

And Nom has nothing to do with Sidious. And Leia powerful by that time? She realized she sucked soon after and got training from Saba

Indeed we did go over this.

Mace was at a safe distance and Palpatine did not have to scramble away like a Coward. Actually, maybe he was extremely tired and had to lean against the wall.

Lucas already talked to a few million people over the DVD.

Mace OVERPOWERED Sidious before Anakin walked in. There wasn't a single shed of fake behaviour before Anakin made his appearance. He was beaten by Windu. Sidious had already tried to blast Mace but failed miserably.

Uh... Leia's political life interfered with her Jedi Training. Databank Sez so.

Lightsnake we already discussed the entire faking part on MSN.... You have no evidence for it, so stop saying its true. It might be, but you don't know so you can't claim it is. Pure and simple.

Fishy, I'm not arguing about the saber part, however Lucas said he was faking from then on.

Didn't have to scramble away? Did Luke when Palpatine beat him in a saber duel? Did Kun when Vodo whooped him? Learn a bit about fighting. Yoda ran away like a little girl! Mace screamed like a little *****!

Explain, Sorgo, why Lucas said Palpatine was exagerrating AFTER Anakin came in. And how he manages to go back with "UNLIMITED POWER!" IT's so damn obvious he faked the lightning. That was even discussed on Star Wars.com. Proof he failed miserably whatsoever. Explain Sidious eyeing Anakin with a smirk on his face as they discuss whether to kill him. Lucas said "We had Mace overpowering Palpatine, than Anakin comes in and he fakes, exagerrates etc etc etc."

EU's already established Palpatine could alter his face, EU's already established he was capable of far greater lightning....proof he didn't fake for Anakin's benefit. NOW

We also argued the lightning part and we still came to the conclusion that you have no evidence. Pure and simple.

also he doesn't need to proof anything you are making an assumption when you say that Sidious could have destroyed Mace. There is nothing to proof this. For all we know he really lost. Pure and simple.

Lucas quote.

[QUOTE=5813515]Originally posted by Lightsnake
Fishy, I'm not arguing about the saber part, however Lucas said he was faking from then on.

[B]Didn't have to scramble away? Did Luke when Palpatine beat him in a saber duel? Did Kun when Vodo whooped him? Learn a bit about fighting. Yoda ran away like a little girl! Mace screamed like a little *****!

No, he didn't! Sidious had no reason to scramble. He was kicked onto his ass and was about a foot and a half away then he started scrambling so Mace followed.

Explain, Sorgo, why Lucas said Palpatine was exagerrating AFTER Anakin came in. And how he manages to go back with "UNLIMITED POWER!" IT's so damn obvious he faked the lightning. That was even discussed on Star Wars.com. Proof he failed miserably whatsoever. Explain Sidious eyeing Anakin with a smirk on his face as they discuss whether to kill him. Lucas said "We had Mace overpowering Palpatine, than Anakin comes in and he fakes, exagerrates etc etc etc."

That's bullshit! How the hell would Sidious know Mace obtained the skill to block his Lightning? Why did Sidious do it with such vigor and in front of Anakin? Why do something so sadistic and dark sided in front of Anakin such as frying Mace with Lightning? And why would the man fry his face purposely to induce Anakin? He is supposed to be an Uber Intelligent power, right? Why would someone so smart fry his own damn face like an Idiot... Especially when it says on the Databank that the Lightning melted and disfigured his face?

EU's already established Palpatine could alter his face, EU's already established he was capable of far greater lightning....proof he didn't fake for Anakin's benefit. NOW

Lmao!

You want proof when *YOU* can't provide any? Yeah okay buddy.

Provide proof that the Lightning didn't actually melt Sidious' face EVEN when the Databank SEZ so.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Lucas quote.

Again we already discussed this, the Lucas quote does not refer directly to that part. So it doesn't really matter.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
EU's already established Palpatine could alter his face, EU's already established he was capable of far greater lightning....proof he didn't fake for Anakin's benefit. NOW

...Wait. Did you just ask someone to prove a negative again? 😱

He's claiming he didn't, I've provided evidence....his turn, IKC\

Yes, sorgo...no reason to scramble....except for Mace's saber inches away. And GEE! He'd only studied Mace for HOW many years? And of course, the master manipulator would never consider throwing a face away to gain the Chosen One as a prodigy to eliminate the Jedi Order and control the galaxy...certainly gave him a lotta sympathy in the senate, hm? And the databank goes against any bit of evidence there. Lucas said he was faking there, and exagerrating weakness. Please, the man who manipulated a galaxy into war would NEVER give up a face and feign weakness.

Lightsnake...

What they show us is Anakin saving Sidious.. you have to proof that he didn't, you have to proof that Sidious faked it. Because that goes against what we have seen.

And in the EU, it's the exact opposite. Hell, in one story we see Palpatine alter his face at will.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
He's claiming he didn't, I've provided evidence....his turn, IKC\

Yes, sorgo...no reason to scramble....except for Mace's saber inches away. And GEE! He'd only studied Mace for HOW many years? And of course, the master manipulator would never consider throwing a face away to gain the Chosen One as a prodigy to eliminate the Jedi Order and control the galaxy...certainly gave him a lotta sympathy in the senate, hm? And the databank goes against any bit of evidence there. Lucas said he was faking there, and exaggerating weakness. Please, the man who manipulated a galaxy into war would NEVER give up a face and feign weakness.

Lucas said he was faking. Lucas said he was exaggerating weakness.

Did Lucas say Palpatine DIDN'T melt his face from the Lightning? No!

So.... What does the Databank go against?

Maces Lightsaber wasn't inches away and Sidious DID NOT have to go scramble to the wall like he did. He was scared and If Anakin didn't show up, he still would have begged for his pathetic life due to the fact he wanted to follow through with his plans so badly.

The databank only goes against what Lucas says "Dark side exertion melts his face" and EU material.

Yes, let's have proof he would've begged...and BEFORE Palpatine moves back, Mace steps forward

Originally posted by Lightsnake
The databank only goes against what Lucas says "Dark side exertion melts his face" and EU material.

Yes, let's have proof he would've begged...and BEFORE Palpatine moves back, Mace steps forward

He would have stabbed him, because according to you, it was two inches away from his face.

If Sidious is so smart, why didn't he realize Mace would've followed him to the wall and they would be back at Step 1 again?

Dark side exertion melts his face? You mean like... Exerting Lightning?