OH no I am not saying that batman can predict moves like DD. But what I am saying is that batman can also predict moves as well like he did against freeway. A person who was so fast batman could not see his attacks. Batman adapted by feeling the air around freeway, and reacted to it when freeway made a move.
Originally posted by unknowable
Batman once fought the Hulk in a crossover hand to hand and won, because Batman always finds a way.
Batam is to skilled and more importantly to intelligent.
In a crossover, there you go, you said it yourself. Crossover's are usually poorly written, and fan decided. Unless Batman simply comes up with an Anti-Hulk-Batgun, there is no conceivable way for him to win alone. It would be like Batman trying to go unarmed against superman, all the fighting skills in the world will not overcome brute strength.
And please tell me you were kidding about "Batman always finds a way." So does every other hero in the comics, otherwise, they would die, the comics would end, and the company wouldn't make anymore money. Not hard to grasp. Anyways, back to the topic at hand:
I, with the majority, also thing that Daredevil would take this, not quite as easily as everyone is saying, but still, he would win six through eight out of ten, at the least. Batman has fought faster people before, sure, and (odds are) he has also fought those with a seeming 'precognition'. But we aren't talking about super-inventor-master-of-four-billion-arts-batman, we are talking about a fight between the two with no prep time, no detailed knowledge about each other; Daredevil takes this more times then not.
Originally posted by Soljer
In a crossover, there you go, you said it yourself. Crossover's are usually poorly written, and fan decided. Unless Batman simply comes up with an Anti-Hulk-Batgun, there is no conceivable way for him to win alone. It would be like Batman trying to go unarmed against superman, all the fighting skills in the world will not overcome brute strength.And please tell me you were kidding about "Batman always finds a way." So does every other hero in the comics, otherwise, they would die, the comics would end, and the company wouldn't make anymore money. Not hard to grasp. Anyways, back to the topic at hand:
I, with the majority, also thing that Daredevil would take this, not quite as easily as everyone is saying, but still, he would win six through eight out of ten, at the least. Batman has fought faster people before, sure, and (odds are) he has also fought those with a seeming 'precognition'. But we aren't talking about super-inventor-master-of-four-billion-arts-batman, we are talking about a fight between the two with no prep time, no detailed knowledge about each other; Daredevil takes this more times then not.
Your right crossovers are fishy, and every superhero does find a way, but,
Batman is, unique if you will, when it comes to finding a way. This is why in every story where Batman 's involved, no matter who else is in the book Batmaan will save the day or be directly involved in it's salvation.
Batman is the master character when it comes to finding a way, even standing out amongst those that do the same and why? Because he has no powers, and is forced to be more than brilliant when trapped in a corner.
Remember Batman is so special Superman only trusts him to hold the killer kryptonite in case he goes bonkers, not Wonderwoman a trustworthy Amazonian under the table love interest, or any other, but Batman why?
Cause he knows only he would have the sound judgement to use it when and if he needed to.
Phenomenal brilliance and intuition(borderline radar sense)
superior fighting skill, any way you cut it,
strength? They are nearly equals,
agility? I'll give it to DD but only by a notch or two
Remeber Batman has been sufficiently trained to fight without eyes.
hell Batman will blindfold himself and still be 100% as affective as if he were not.
Originally posted by unknowable
disagree
When you see their opponents you realize everything, while DD has fought many average above average adversaries, Batman has taken on characters trying to destroy the galaxy.
What does the villains have to do with anything? Thats a straw-man. Batman beats DD cause his villains are better? Look who Batman is compared to DD. Hes top 3 most notable comic characters ever.
Spiderman has better villains than Namor. Does than mean hes beating him in a fight?
First of all, what exactly is DD's "radar sense?" Is it considered a superpower or not? If not, then it may even be something Batman can somewhat mimic using his own finely tuned sense of timing and opponent-awareness (the latter being something every true-master martial artists develops).
Secondly, if the radar sense is some kind of superpower, then it should be considered a weapon. Radar (the real deal) Is a weapon. No, it's not a device to kill or destroy, but it is something that has been used in warfare to give one side an edge over the other. If it were not a weapon, than F-17s would not be sent in to take out radar stations as phase 1 in a war.
Thirdly, what I have not seen mentioned in the above threads (unless I missed it) is that Batman is an expert tactician. He will likely realize very quickly whatever edge DD has over him and take steps to counter it, kinda like what Bullseye did in the movie with the organ pipes. If Bullseye can do something like that and take advantage, you better believe Bat will (notice I said "something like that," which means, kindly hold your movie-isn't-canon response, as I'm using it just as an example).
Listen, I don't have any particular fondness/dislike for either Batman or Daredevil. But seems to me, Batman fights as much with his mind as with his body.
So who wins? Batman 6/10.
Originally posted by Mindship
First of all, what exactly is DD's "radar sense?" Is it considered a superpower or not? If not, then it may even be something Batman can somewhat mimic using his own finely tuned sense of timing and opponent-awareness (the latter being something every true-master martial artists develops).Secondly, if the radar sense is some kind of superpower, then it should be considered a weapon. Radar (the real deal) Is a weapon. No, it's not a device to kill or destroy, but it is something that has been used in warfare to give one side an edge over the other. If it were not a weapon, than F-17s would not be sent in to take out radar stations as phase 1 in a war.
Thirdly, what I have not seen mentioned in the above threads (unless I missed it) is that Batman is an expert tactician. He will likely realize very quickly whatever edge DD has over him and take steps to counter it, kinda like what Bullseye did in the movie with the organ pipes. If Bullseye can do something like that and take advantage, you better believe Bat will (notice I said "something like that," which means, kindly hold your movie-isn't-canon response, as I'm using it just as an example).
Listen, I don't have any particular fondness/dislike for either Batman or Daredevil. But seems to me, Batman fights as much with his mind as with his body.
So who wins? Batman 6/10.
^u have a point and i somewhat agree with u, but theres no way u could seperate dds radar sense from his body or else he would be just a normal blind man..thats how he gets around and does everyday things, and it gives him an edge in the fighting department as well in speed and countering blows, but i think if batman knew about his radar sense and sensitive hearing, he would think of some way to counter all that... i mean, after all, batman is the master strategist of all comic heroes....and besides, it would be easy to take down dd..even i could do it, all u need is to just go to the stor and buy an airhorn 😆
Originally posted by braz
^u have a point and i somewhat agree with u, but theres no way u could seperate dds radar sense from his body or else he would be just a normal blind man..thats how he gets around and does everyday things, and it gives him an edge in the fighting department as well in speed and countering blows, but i think if batman knew about his radar sense and sensitive hearing, he would think of some way to counter all that... i mean, after all, batman is the master strategist of all comic heroes....and besides, it would be easy to take down dd..even i could do it, all u need is to just go to the stor and buy an airhorn 😆
except this match says NO WEAPONS.
Originally posted by braz
^u have a point and i somewhat agree with u, but theres no way u could seperate dds radar sense from his body or else he would be just a normal blind man..thats how he gets around and does everyday things, and it gives him an edge in the fighting department as well in speed and countering blows, but i think if batman knew about his radar sense and sensitive hearing, he would think of some way to counter all that... i mean, after all, batman is the master strategist of all comic heroes....and besides, it would be easy to take down dd..even i could do it, all u need is to just go to the stor and buy an airhorn 😆
It would have to be a remotely operated airhorn, otherwise, couldn't you just have to scream real loud?
You guys are talkin about Batman like his training can help him match DD senses. Daredevil's senses are so acute that he can track a person by their own unique heartbeat in a city of thousands. I'm sorry, but no training can help Bruce attain that. DD will know what Batman is planning on doing just by listening to the subtle contractions of his muscles as he prepares to move. It will also allow him to pinpoint weak points, knowing where to strike Batman to produce the most damage. In every other department they are basically equals. Martial arts? Batman knows 147. So? Daredevil knows how to counter most of those plus he has his own unique style. Strength? Batman, but not by much. Agility? Daredevil, but not by too much. The senses but DD over the edge here in a weaponless fight.
BTW, Batman may be a master technican, but DD isn't exactly stupid. He moves and even turns his head as if looking so that it not easy to pick up that he is blind. In the movie it took Bullseye a few encounters to figure that DD is vunerable to sound. In straight up fight DD would have Bats on high alert so he would probably focus more on the fight than anything else.7/10 DD
Originally posted by Jose123
he's not. But the strength and skills means nothing when you can't land a punch and you don't have the weapons you rely on as backup to help you.
Actually, Batman is stronger. He has superior strength, skills, and intelligence which would pretty much cause DareDevil to go ByeBye within a few seconds. Sucks but that's how it is...
This was almost as easy to decide as the Juggernaut vs Hulk question (Duh, Juggernaut would destroy Hulk like a piece of paper...)