Originally posted by unknowableThat's amazing. Batman still loses.
Just remeber yall, Batman has been called to save the universe, he was the only non super powered being along with Forager of the bug society to be rounded up by HighFather and Darksied in the Cosmic Odyssey series by DC.The others that where called Superman, New gods Orion & Lightray, Martian Manhunter, Green Lantern, & Starfire of the Teen Titans.
Originally posted by unknowableBatman is indeed great(one of the greatest heroes of all time), he's also great @ using tech to "find a way". He's unarmed here and he's going against a person who is an extremely skilled martial artist that can predict moves a good deal better than Bruce can. DD's faster and more agile and when you add in his prediction skills (that are better than Batman's will ever be no matter how hard he trains), he's gonna be moving even faster in comparison to Batman. Batman is gonna be doing a lot of swinging and missing. DD's gonna be connecting. DD wins. With weapons he could use some sonic device provided DD doesn't see it coming and knock it out of his hands w/the club. Without weapons, DD simply goes crazy with the speed and turns Batman into a punching bag. Sorry Batfans, reputation and sales won't save Bruce here.
Your right crossovers are fishy, and every superhero does find a way, but,
Batman is, unique if you will, when it comes to finding a way. This is why in every story where Batman 's involved, no matter who else is in the book Batmaan will save the day or be directly involved in it's salvation.
Batman is the master character when it comes to finding a way, even standing out amongst those that do the same and why? Because he has no powers, and is forced to be more than brilliant when trapped in a corner.
Remember Batman is so special Superman only trusts him to hold the killer kryptonite in case he goes bonkers, not Wonderwoman a trustworthy Amazonian under the table love interest, or any other, but Batman why?
The moment all of Batman's gadgets are taken away, he loses a massive advantage. DD can use his radar to avoid half of Batman's blows, as well as just shut various parts of Bats down with nerve jabs etc.
Batman is an awesome fighter, and very strong and skilled, no doubt. Just take a look at some of the stuff in the Batman Respect Thread. But DD is better than him in many ways.
I say DD beats Bats 6/10.
Originally posted by Lord Magnus
Durn good fight.Yeah, Bats always "finds a way" but if he's just thrust into H2H with a psycho blind lawyer he'll do what every person who thinks he might stand a chance will do: fight. And, eventually, lose. DD 6/10.
Originally posted by unknowableRead it again please. Batman used gas. He has no weapons here. Batman beating Hulk h2h is impossible unless he's in Banner form.
Batman once fought the Hulk in a crossover hand to hand and won, because Batman always finds a way.
Batam is to skilled and more importantly to intelligent.
The bottom line is if DD is written to be consistent with the fact that he can sense nerve impulses before any attack and can swat and dodge bullets with ease which consists of the best of his abilities (forum rules) then there is no way for batman to land a hit on him.
No amount of skills that batman can have in order to hit DD.
For all his strikes will be sensed beforehand (through his nerve impulses)
and combined with the fact that none of his strikes are faster than a bullet (in which that speed DD handles well).
DD definitely wins the majority here.
That doesn't mean that batman will win any (for he won't).
It just means that some could possibly be a draw.
Originally posted by h1a8Then why don't we use Batman how he's portrayed?
The bottom line is if DD is written to be consistent with the fact that he can sense nerve impulses before any attack and can swat and dodge bullets with ease which consists of the best of his abilities (forum rules) then there is no way for batman to land a hit on him.No amount of skills that batman can have in order to hit DD.
For all his strikes will be sensed beforehand (through his nerve impulses)
and combined with the fact that none of his strikes are faster than a bullet (in which that speed DD handles well).DD definitely wins the majority here.
That doesn't mean that batman will win any (for he won't).
It just means that some could possibly be a draw.
He'd be a complete blindspot to Daredevil.
Originally posted by Juntai
Then why don't we use Batman how he's portrayed?
Not even Superman can hear/see/sense him or him movements, and his senses are on another level entirely.
Well, why use one without considering Batman's portrayals?He'd be a complete blindspot to Daredevil.
Anyway, as close as these two are, in this situation I say they'd split the difference 5/10(with weapons it goes to 7/10 Bats).
Originally posted by darthgoober
Why does Batman have to make noise for DD to "see" him? ANY noise present(even noise that DD himself makes), would create soundwaves that would bounce off of objects, and register on his radar sense.Anyway, as close as these two are, in this situation I say they'd split the difference 5/10(with weapons it goes to 7/10 Bats).
umm... no
Bats with gadgets- 6-7/10
bats w/o gadgets- 2-3/10
Daredevil has been able to fight (and beat once, though just barely) Spiderman. Often quite close matches.
Bats wont touch any nerve spots. He wont get a chance to properly grapple. And when he does manage to hit DD (if at all), Matt will jjust roll with the punches, greatly decreasing the impact damage, which he has been shown to be capable of doing with much faster opponents.
Originally posted by Juntai
Then why don't we use Batman how he's portrayed?
Not even Superman can hear/see/sense him or him movements, and his senses are on another level entirely.
Well, why use one without considering Batman's portrayals?He'd be a complete blindspot to Daredevil.
Batman can hide his scent. He can deafen his audibility. He can blend in with the shadows.
He CANNOT eliminate his body mass. He'd register on Daredevil's radar sense.
EDIT: Spunky Smurphs' estimations sound pretty good.
7-8/10 for Daredevil in this scenario.
Advantage to the Batman with Gadgets.
Originally posted by Soljer
Batman can hide his scent. He can deafen his audibility. He can blend in with the shadows.He CANNOT eliminate his body mass. He'd register on Daredevil's radar sense.
People were saying they'd hear his movements[punches through the moving muscle and nerves]. But it's consistantly portrayed that those with heightened and supersenses still can't do it, why would anyone try to entertain the idea that daredevil could in light of Batman's portrayals?
Originally posted by Juntai
People were saying they'd hear his movements[punches through the moving muscle and nerves]. But it's consistantly portrayed that those with heightened and supersenses still can't do it, why would anyone try to entertain the idea that daredevil could in light of Batman's portrayals?
I see. I thought that Daredevil could detect the synapses firing in the nerves? Something I don't see Batman hiding....
Besides that, when has Batman ever hidden himself from someone like Superman WHILST in the middle of an incredibly intense combat situation? I know he's managed to sneak up on Clark, but that is hardly the same as jumping, dodging, punching, and kicking. 😬.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphLets not even try to get into a who has beaten who between Daredevil and Batman, that would be a losing debate for Daredevil fans.
umm... noBats with gadgets- 6-7/10
bats w/o gadgets- 2-3/10
Daredevil has been able to fight (and beat once, though just barely) Spiderman. Often quite close matches.
Bats wont touch any nerve spots. He wont get a chance to properly grapple. And when he does manage to hit DD (if at all), Matt will jjust roll with the punches, greatly decreasing the impact damage, which he has been shown to be capable of doing with much faster opponents.