Batman vs. Daredevil (no weapons)

Originally posted by Soljer
What tangents? The fact that you can't find a single legit combatant that Batman has taken in hand to hand that is on Spiderman's level?

Besides that, I think that sneaking in and out of a building is HARDLY the same thing as cloaking your utter PRESENCE from someone whilst trying to effectively engage them in combat. Comparing apples to oranges, my friend.

The tangent is focusing on the spidey comparison rather than the Daredevil vs Batman version.

Batman has lost Superman and Flash among a million other heros, in plain sight.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Good point. Otherwise Batman would do this to Shiva & Deathstroke. He don't. He can't

Originally posted by Juntai

The very idea that Batman can conceal his movements, which is the strongest case of how Daredevil could beat Batman, is nullified.

DD doesn't see. He has radar. There is no concealing of batman's movements here. Plus he can still sense nerve impulses and heartbeat (unless batman is dead of course).

Originally posted by Juntai
He's beaten both of them without such.

Originally posted by h1a8
DD doesn't see. He has radar. There is no concealing of batman's movements here. Plus he can still sense nerve impulses and heartbeat (unless batman is dead of course).

This guy has stood in a room with Superman for about an hour before without being noticed. A guy who hears crickets from the moon.

He's hidden from Martian Manhunter using psychic abilities.

He's snuck into the Spectre's sanctuary.

I don't think his movements are going to be easily traceable for daredevil. THough he'll still see him, via his mass as said earlier [which he actually has the "mental invisibility" discipline to counter either way, not sure it would work in combat though], he's not going to be hearing Batman's movements by his blood and muscles tensing and all that. No-one hears Batman move. It's called a counter-arguement.

Of course Daredevil can do that to many opponents, but Batman has proven the neccisary abilities to counter such many many times over, probably more times than Daredevil's even been drawn on paper.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Course there's PIS involved when he beats them. Especially DS. DS has kicked his @ss to. How come bats didn't stealth him? Are you one of those guys who thinks Bats (or any nonmeta) can beat DS h2h w/out PIS?

http://img12.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=c7d_batstroke2k.jpg&page=19&track_id=1161555646

See that guy getting WHAKed?
Guess who it is?

I'd give Daredevil the majority here. No weapons really levels the playing field in his favor.

Originally posted by Juntai
Are you one of those guys who goes around asking if people are 'one of those guys'?

Originally posted by brainchild81
It would appear so. Now try being one of those guys who answers the question 🙂

http://img12.imagevenue.com/view.ph...k_id=1161555646

See that guy getting WHAKed?
Guess who it is?

See?

Originally posted by brainchild81
Also, Bats is using a weapon in that pic now isn't he? I know you're smart enough to be one of those guys who knows what h2h is. Might you also have how that entire fight went and a description of DS powers @ the time?

Originally posted by Juntai
And other heros can't do that?

This guy has stood in a room with Superman for about an hour before without being noticed. A guy who hears crickets from the moon.

He's hidden from Martian Manhunter using psychic abilities.

He's snuck into the Spectre's sanctuary.

I don't think his movements are going to be easily traceable for daredevil. THough he'll still see him, via his mass as said earlier [which he actually has the "mental invisibility" discipline to counter either way, not sure it would work in combat though], he's not going to be hearing Batman's movements by his blood and muscles tensing and all that. No-one hears Batman move. It's called a counter-arguement.

Of course Daredevil can do that to many opponents, but Batman has proven the neccisary abilities to counter such many many times over, probably more times than Daredevil's even been drawn on paper.

Even IF Batman can shield himself (I doubt he can do this in combat anyway) from DD's hearing, sense of smell, and sight (hah), he still takes up mass. Mass that will register on DD's radar sense. So really, all these arguments are kind of void. DD will know where he is and be able to take him out using his abilities to beat Batman.

Daredevil 6/10.

Originally posted by Juntai
And other heros can't do that?

This guy has stood in a room with Superman for about an hour before without being noticed. A guy who hears crickets from the moon.

He's hidden from Martian Manhunter using psychic abilities.

He's snuck into the Spectre's sanctuary.

I don't think his movements are going to be easily traceable for daredevil. THough he'll still see him, via his mass as said earlier [which he actually has the "mental invisibility" discipline to counter either way, not sure it would work in combat though], he's not going to be hearing Batman's movements by his blood and muscles tensing and all that. No-one hears Batman move. It's called a counter-arguement.

Of course Daredevil can do that to many opponents, but Batman has proven the neccisary abilities to counter such many many times over, probably more times than Daredevil's even been drawn on paper.

All of it is PIS
Plus the fact that things like that rarely happened for batman (hence PIS) Batman has proved such things many times over is a crock.
The density of such things is so small that it is like a gold quarter inside a barrel full of silver quarters. Also it is SmvFL since superman is capable of hearing heartbeat. And batman isn't dead.

Also some of your points are irrelavant.
Such as hiding from MM
Such as sneaking into Spectre's sanc

Lastly he can't do things like this in battle anyway because he never has.
These are the rules (no feats no evidence then no such ability).

Daredevil

There both real good martial artists but DD has the Radar/Super-senses.

Originally posted by h1a8
All of it is PIS
Plus the fact that things like that rarely happened for batman (hence PIS) Batman has proved such things many times over is a crock.
The density of such things is so small that it is like a gold quarter inside a barrel full of silver quarters. Also it is SmvFL since superman is capable of hearing heartbeat. And batman isn't dead.

Also some of your points are irrelavant.
Such as hiding from MM
Such as sneaking into Spectre's sanc

Lastly he can't do things like this in battle anyway because he never has.
These are the rules (no feats no evidence then no such ability).

I don't have a problem with Batsy beating other heroes in stealth. Thats all he has.

But my only gripe comes when the Wrath of God, is goofed.

And i find it hard to believe someone is calling smvsfl, when Superman has actually continued to fight after his hearts stopped functioning.

Doesn't get much worse than that.

Originally posted by Juntai
Really? I named two offhand and asked how many you wanted. Then you went off on "But he can't do that..." bla bla. Like Daredevil could actually beat Spiderman. And Batman beating stronger people is just plain rediculous or something. Quit trying to give to one character and take away from another.

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Are you HONESTLY trying to suggest that your Captain Marvel comparison was in ANY way applicable? Daredevil has an established chance at hanging with Spiderman. Beating him? No, but hanging with him, dealing with his speed, his strength.

Batman has NO established way of dealing with someone who can fly at (minimum) Mach 500 and has stalemated Superman in a contest of Strength.

Daredevil vs. Spiderman isn't a bad fight to watch, but Spiderman'll win a majority.

Batman vs. Captain Marvel is just SMvs.FL.

Originally posted by UniOmni
I don't have a problem with Batsy beating other heroes in stealth. Thats all he has.

But my only gripe comes when the Wrath of God, is goofed.

And i find it hard to believe someone is calling smvsfl, when Superman has actually continued to fight after his hearts stopped functioning.

Doesn't get much worse than that.

That maybe sounds like nonsense
but who knows how a kryptonium functions?
He might be sustain by the energies of the sun
long before he dies because his heart stop functioning

Batman is a different story. Because he is human and Superman is not.

Originally posted by UniOmni
I don't have a problem with Batsy beating other heroes in stealth. Thats all he has.

But my only gripe comes when the Wrath of God, is goofed.

And i find it hard to believe someone is calling smvsfl, when Superman has actually continued to fight after his hearts stopped functioning.

Doesn't get much worse than that.

Originally posted by Soljer
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Are you HONESTLY trying to suggest that your Captain Marvel comparison was in ANY way applicable? Daredevil has an established chance at hanging with Spiderman. Beating him? No, but hanging with him, dealing with his speed, his strength.

Batman has NO established way of dealing with someone who can fly at (minimum) Mach 500 and has stalemated Superman in a contest of Strength.

Daredevil vs. Spiderman isn't a bad fight to watch, but Spiderman'll win a majority.

Batman vs. Captain Marvel is just SMvs.FL.