"Wolverine takes Class 100 shots like nothing."

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It depends on who hits them. Spiderman won't hit that hard, but Hulk would. And I hope you don't mean as in force because trained fighters can hit with a ton or so force and don't send anyone flying.

Bad writing is bad writing in my opinion.

So ever time Logans gets hit and does not fly back is now consider bad writing..............hope you hold spiderman to that stander.

by the ways if you hit some one with 10 tons fo force they go flying.

Originally posted by capt it up
whats bad writitng though?

Originally posted by capt it up
So ever time Logans gets hit and does not fly back is now consider bad writing..............hope you hold spiderman to that stander.

Originally posted by capt it up
by the ways if you hit some one with 10 tons fo force they go flying.

I'm going to say that on KMC a punch from somebody in the high tier strength category ends up like this.

Well that's just the point. In a comic book they might lower a character down to make it a better read. But you can't use a punch that didn't do the force it should and say that character took those punches can you?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Well that's just the point. In a comic book they might lower a character down to make it a better read. But you can't use a punch that didn't do the force it should and say that character took those punches can you?

It's no different than if Wolverine stabbed/sliced/scratched someone where they should bleed and they didn't bleed, the fans of Wolverine would undoubtedly consider it bad writing. It's the exact same thing. While it might be a good story, it is inaccurate to how the fight would occur on the forum and therefore pointless.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It's no different than if Wolverine stabbed/sliced/scratched someone where they should bleed and they didn't bleed, the fans of Wolverine would undoubtedly consider it bad writing. It's the exact same thing. While it might be a good story, it is inaccurate to how the fight would occur on the forum and therefore pointless.

I was thinking of posting something like this on the versus forum:
On KMC so and so wins 8/10 but in a comic so and so wins 5/10.

Exactly, it's what makes Flash and Strange who they are here. I don't see why people don't understand this isn't a comic book. We're just debating the characters.

I guess they only see things a certain way. It took me a while to get used to it here.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Hulk has no powers that would allow him to convert:

ChemicalE --> KineticE --> ConcussiveBlasts

Yes he does if an object emits enough power it can produce force. The Hulk has chemicals that enable his muslces to move, the power generated from the muscles should be able to produce force even if they dont touch you. At the end of the day the reason why his thunderclap generates force is because of the power. Therefore if something moves with enough force, you should feel the force generated by it. I think my next point will prove my case.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

Yeah. Thats why has around ClassicQS is running speed and can jump almost into orbit.

And you think that makes sense that The Hulk who weighs almost a ton but can lift 100,000s of tons should be ALMOST be able to leave the atmosphere. Let me break it down to you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle#Solid_Rocket_Boosters

A space shuttle weighs approx 2237 tons approx (4,474,574 lbs).

The combined effort of the rockets produce 2800 tons of force (2.8million lbs each). This enables them to reach 150, 000 feet.

http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy/space/atmosphere.html

The height of the atmosphere is 348 miles. So how much power does a space shuttle need to reach the end of the earths atmosphere?

348 miles = 2 million feet 2 million divided by 150,000 = approx 13

Therefore we need to multiply the power of the engine 2800 tons by 13 this equals 36, 400 tons of force.

Therefore if something weighs 2237 tons you need 36, 400 tons of force to project it into orbit. How much does The Hulk weigh? The Hulk weighs about a ton and a half and he can lift 100, 000s of tons even millions. Hulk should not be almost going out of orbit he should be going into outer space! Not only that all the other class 100 cant do it either. Apparently Hercules can only reach a 100 feet with one jump and hes pulled Manhattan with chains!

Futhermore what do you think the speed of something travelling with enough force to go outside the atmosphere would be travelling? A space shuttle in the atmosphere can reach 3094 miles per hour and thats with 2273 tons of weight.

If his muscles are that powerful they dont need to touch you.

Being logical if the Hulk tried to run his muscles should project him off the planet.

Originally posted by Jyppe
Umm, they might have muscles strong enough to lift 100 of tons, but these muscles aren't necessarily super fast. You do know that strenght doesn't necessarily mean = speed. We've seen Hulk lift huge things with ease, but has the movement been super fast?

If a super strong character has lots of explosive power he could probably jump high, but would he be able to move his legs fast enough to gain super fast running speed?

By your logic, weight lifters could outrun sprintters with ease..

And, we need to remember that we're talking about comics here, Wolverine jumps 50ft in the air, but is only able to lift 2 tons at best 😕 I guess Hulk is pretty much the same then 😄

Were not talking about weight lifters were talking about people who can lift 100,000 of tons or millions and weigh at most almost a ton...theres a big difference. See my calculations above.

I dont care if it doesnt make any sense. Im just pointing out to people who keep b*itching about how this or that should make sense when nothing makes sense. If we were to make evrything logical it would change completely how we do battles on KMC.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
My point is that he doesn't send him flying anyway because it's a crossover battle. Hulk does break things all the time. 😐

He should break stuff all the time even when hes not mad.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Exactly, it's what makes Flash and Strange who they are here. I don't see why people don't understand this isn't a comic book. We're just debating the characters.

Whats your point? You establish what characters can do by reading the comic. 😕

Originally posted by Alfheim

Whats your point? You establish what characters can do by reading the comic. 😕

Originally posted by Badabing
Characters don't always use the full range of powers they have in comics to win a fight. When have you seen Wonder Woman blitz? Not many times. But on KMC she has the ability to blitz. Spider-Man doesn't web people down at the start of a battle but it's within his ability. On KMC, combatants stay within their abilities and power sets but usually don't fight totally in character.

Well this is the thing. Again the rules contradict each other. The Bloodlust rules state they will use all the powers at their disposal. The CIS rules state that they wont. This is what I mean the rules need updating and clarifying.

You could argue that Namor could use the elctroshoock tactic because its one of his powers due to the bloodlust rule, but CIS seems to imply he wont use it.

Also SvFL contradicts the PIS rule.

SvFL is just antoher way of saying "I don't like this feat."

Rationalizign by saying it's not "logical" is saying that comics fundamentally follow our logic - which is obviously not the case.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
SvFL is just antoher way of saying "I don't like this feat."

Rationalizign by saying it's not "logical" is saying that comics fundamentally follow our logic - which is obviously not the case.

I agree with you. The only reason why im rationlaizing is because im just trying to prove how absurd EVERYTHING in comics is if you try to rationalise it, but people pick and choose what makes sense.

For me if it happens enough times its good for me. Its a different reality with a different set of laws.

Originally posted by Alfheim
He should break stuff all the time even when hes not mad.

As Bruce Banner?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Whats your point? You establish what characters can do by reading the comic. 😕

Originally posted by Alfheim
I agree with you. The only reason why im rationlaizing is because im just trying to prove how absurd EVERYTHING in comics is if you try to rationalise it, but people pick and choose what makes sense.

For me if it happens enough times its good for me. Its a different reality with a different set of laws.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
As Bruce Banner?

Hulk base level, well ok maybe not but people like...nevermind.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

Then you completely missed the point of what is discussed and the purpose of logic in a debate. Logic is a reasoning based on inference and not "real world stuff", that sub-par debators make it out to be. If your boy Cap's shield can take nearly anything, but then breaks when a bullet hits it would that be logical to you?

In general you give the impression that real world physics is what you use for inference.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

Because it's based on the logic of that character. Why should someone like Flash or GL be beat by a guy who throws boomerangs inside the forum when they are fighting their best? Do people read the forum rules anymore?

That wasnt even in reference to that. That was in reference to if Hulk hit Wolverine he would end up on the moon. Actually I think I misunderstood you, do you think if the Hulk hit Wolverine he should end up on the moon?

Originally posted by capt it up
false I don't like ulitmate wolverine becuase he looks stupid haft the time. His personality is quite different from 616 wolverine and he an idiot most of the time while he fights. It has nothing to do with his healing factor since well I loved wolverine in his first issues in uncanny x-men and he did not even have a healing factor.........

but thanks for bringing me up and getting what I think completely wrong

Just so you know I didnt actually bring this point up to piss you off, eventhough it might have that effect im just expressing what I genuinely think. Just so you know my post wasnt meant to be personal.

Anyway I would disagree for the reason being that you thought that Wolverine brought DD along to stop him from killing Crossbones as opposed to lie detection. In the end you turned out to be right but for the wrong reason. You thought that Wolverine brought DD along because you cant stand the fact that DD could be better at something than Wolverine, when the real proof was that Wolverine asked the Winter Soldier first a person who doesnt really have heightened senses at all. Well obvoulsy more than your avreage human but not as good as Logans.

As far as im concerned this is why Wolverine seems to be getting tougher and tougher because of fans like you he always want to see Wolverine as indestructible.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Hulk base level, well ok maybe not but people like...nevermind.

In general you give the impression that real world physics is what you use for inference.

That wasnt even in reference to that. That was in reference to if Hulk hit Wolverine he would end up on the moon. Actually I think I misunderstood you, do you think if the Hulk hit Wolverine he should end up on the moon?

For example.

Originally posted by Anonymous Poster who will not be named
by the ways if you hit some one with 10 tons fo force they go flying.

Why does no one dispute this? Why is not argued? Because it's easy to understand. I could go into how comics are based around the real world anyways, which they are, or else pressure points and everything else there wouldn't exist nor matter, and there would have been a fictional system. That's the reason we adults read them in the first place is because we can relate to the struggles to a degree. But that's getting off topic.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I don't give the impression of anything. What it all boils down to is that when a person doesn't grasp the concept of what's being used, they say it's "too scientific", because it's too complex for them. They have no problem using "real world" examples later on.

Yeah you do actually. Well I first apply real world physics but if it doesnt apply to the comc book world then I reject it

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

For example.

...and who was that.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

Why does no one dispute this? Why is not argued? Because it's easy to understand. I could go into how comics are based around the real world anyways, which they are, or else pressure points and everything else there wouldn't exist nor matter, and there would have been a fictional system. That's the reason we adults read them in the first place is because we can relate to the struggles to a degree. But that's getting off topic.

Of course its based on the real world but when you go into detail its nothing like the real world. For example people were b*tching that if the Hulk hits Wolverine he should land on the moon, then some dabators failed to see that if your going to use that logic The Hulk should be able to leap out of orbit with a leap and that applies to Thor, Hercules etc. They were using inconsistent logic.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
My point is that he doesn't send him flying anyway because it's a crossover battle. Hulk does break things all the time. 😐

My point was he does all of these great things in his own showings, but it is written down to make crossover fights better, that's common knowledge.

Not that many tons, but about 600-2200 lbs per square inch if applied correctly.

still dude that quite a lot I think your a bit off. I think the most would be 100pounds it's harder to strike with that kind of pressure (speaking of 100 pounds) I could be wrong if you have any proff from a creidble source i'm just going to say you seen too many ninja movies or action movies. you would litteraly rip someones head off with that much presure