well it's nice to see that you believe he isn't totally unbeatable, but to say he'll just start shooting everywhere like a complete donkey doesn't sounds like his style at all!
and written properly, referring to all the characters he will lose, and yes he is powerful but the combined might of well written leaguers will take the chrome surfer out.
Individually, SS takes any Justice leaguer 8/10 times. In this matchup, he takes the entire JLA 6/10. Throw in an experienced GL and the JLA will take the majority. And if you guys want to talk about an overrated character, take a look at the Flash. He is just a speedster. The Surfer can just fly right up to him and knock him out cause whereas they are both ridiculously fast, it takes time for the Flash to get to the level of speed that SS starts out at.
Originally posted by tdawg14I agree with the first and disagree with the second.
Individually, SS takes any Justice leaguer 8/10 times. In this matchup, he takes the entire JLA 6/10. Throw in an experienced GL and the JLA will take the majority. And if you guys want to talk about an overrated character, take a look at the Flash. He is just a speedster. The Surfer can just fly right up to him and knock him out cause whereas they are both ridiculously fast, it takes time for the Flash to get to the level of speed that SS starts out at.
Surfer has the powerset, durability, speed, and experience to take down anyone member of the JLA. He might be able to take down Superman and WM, maybe, but definitely not Supes, Wonder Woman, and MM; not without a bit of prep to scan and ascertain their weaknesses.
I will say that with a couple minutes of prep (yes minutes) the Silver Surfer could analyze out the JLA's powers and hit them with their weaknesses. He could win a majority, but only with a bit of prep.
Good point acrosurge, but what exactly can those three do to SS? MM poses no threat at all when we've seen Moondragon with the mind gem not able to telepathically harm SS. WW does not have the durability to deal with some energy blasts and Supes only shot is to duke it out with SS but he won't get close enough to do so.
Originally posted by Juntai
He can do well against them in one on one combat, no way he's taking out the JLA entirely though, they dealt with stuff beyond him regularly in their comics.
Like FF have dealt with threat bigger than SS.
X-men have death with forces > SS.
In fact SS himself dealt with forces beyond Galactus.
But this is kinda of too much fire power for SS to handle at once.
Unless SS uses ‘ALL’ his powers to extreme lvl ‘which he never does’ he losses.
This thread just wont die.
Where in any SS comic has he been portrayed as physically weak? What would ever make you think that Superman, especially post-Crisis Superman, is even remotely near SS lvl of strength? What makes you think that GL has any chance?
Silver Surfer is beyond anything the JLAers can muster.
The Silver Surfer is a COSMIC ENTITY!
COSMIC!!!!! Its called The Power COSMIC!
C O S M I C ! ! 1 1 !! ONE!!!!111
LOL seriously, you all sound like a bunch of children. Nobody can beat Superman! Nuh uh! Uh huh! Nuh uh! Uh huh!
This is what would happen. SS hits FTL somewhere near Xeron IV, hits the League so fast and so hard, they never even register that they are being attacked (see😖ilver Surfer Vol2, Ish#1, for his FTL rescue of Galctus' herald, Nova). Fight is over, just that quick.
The Surfer has more than ''just'' the Power Cosmic. He is also very smart. He navigates the solar spaceways, he can hear a mosquito squeak one out from another galaxy, he can cure blindness (!!!!), The Marvel Handbook even goes so far as to speculate that he might have the power to raise or at least animate the dead. (I guess thats not saying much, Brother Voodoo can do that, after all) The list of his powers goes on forever. Matter manipulation (Ooooooo making Supes clothes turn into kryptonite, GLs ring into salt water taffy, WWs items might be safe do to their magical nature, but Batman is definitely gonna lose that belt), FTL speed, cosmic senses etc etc etc.
This would almost be interesting if Kent Nelson and Jim Corrigan showed up, along with the entire GL corps. Then, you might have an interesting fight. But SS still takes it. He is just too strong, too smart, too fast and just plain out classes damn near the entire JLA/JSA families.
Which is what makes him so boring.
Originally posted by DOOM2099
This thread just wont die.Where in any SS comic has he been portrayed as physically weak? What would ever make you think that Superman, especially post-Crisis Superman, is even remotely near SS lvl of strength? What makes you think that GL has any chance?
Silver Surfer is beyond anything the JLAers can muster.
The Silver Surfer is a COSMIC ENTITY!
COSMIC!!!!! Its called The Power COSMIC!
C O S M I C ! ! 1 1 !! ONE!!!!111
LOL seriously, you all sound like a bunch of children. Nobody can beat Superman! Nuh uh! Uh huh! Nuh uh! Uh huh!
This is what would happen. SS hits FTL somewhere near Xeron IV, hits the League so fast and so hard, they never even register that they are being attacked (see😖ilver Surfer Vol2, Ish#1, for his FTL rescue of Galctus' herald, Nova). Fight is over, just that quick.
The Surfer has more than ''just'' the Power Cosmic. He is also very smart. He navigates the solar spaceways, he can hear a mosquito squeak one out from another galaxy, he can cure blindness (!!!!), The Marvel Handbook even goes so far as to speculate that he might have the power to raise or at least animate the dead. (I guess thats not saying much, Brother Voodoo can do that, after all) The list of his powers goes on forever. Matter manipulation (Ooooooo making Supes clothes turn into kryptonite, GLs ring into salt water taffy, WWs items might be safe do to their magical nature, but Batman is definitely gonna lose that belt), FTL speed, cosmic senses etc etc etc.
This would almost be interesting if Kent Nelson and Jim Corrigan showed up, along with the entire GL corps. Then, you might have an interesting fight. But SS still takes it. He is just too strong, too smart, too fast and just plain out classes damn near the entire JLA/JSA families.
Which is what makes him so boring.
You think SS can take the entire corps? Highly doubtful. He isn't doing anything to GL rings either. Most powerful weapon in universe > herald cosmic power respectively.
In perspective, why couldnt Flash or Superman get a head start and punch SS head off, similar to the SS scenario that you gave? Spectre would wipe him out easily. WW weapons can hurt him without issue. MM can mess with his head. There are too many options. SS can do very well against any one of them on their own...but not all of them at once.
I agree with you on one thing...SS is boring. I'm hoping ION doesn't suffer the same fate.
Originally posted by DOOM2099
This thread just wont die.Where in any SS comic has he been portrayed as physically weak? What would ever make you think that Superman, especially post-Crisis Superman, is even remotely near SS lvl of strength? What makes you think that GL has any chance?
Silver Surfer is beyond anything the JLAers can muster.
The Silver Surfer is a COSMIC ENTITY!
COSMIC!!!!! Its called The Power COSMIC!
C O S M I C ! ! 1 1 !! ONE!!!!111
LOL seriously, you all sound like a bunch of children. Nobody can beat Superman! Nuh uh! Uh huh! Nuh uh! Uh huh!
This is what would happen. SS hits FTL somewhere near Xeron IV, hits the League so fast and so hard, they never even register that they are being attacked (see😖ilver Surfer Vol2, Ish#1, for his FTL rescue of Galctus' herald, Nova). Fight is over, just that quick.
The Surfer has more than ''just'' the Power Cosmic. He is also very smart. He navigates the solar spaceways, he can hear a mosquito squeak one out from another galaxy, he can cure blindness (!!!!), The Marvel Handbook even goes so far as to speculate that he might have the power to raise or at least animate the dead. (I guess thats not saying much, Brother Voodoo can do that, after all) The list of his powers goes on forever. Matter manipulation (Ooooooo making Supes clothes turn into kryptonite, GLs ring into salt water taffy, WWs items might be safe do to their magical nature, but Batman is definitely gonna lose that belt), FTL speed, cosmic senses etc etc etc.
This would almost be interesting if Kent Nelson and Jim Corrigan showed up, along with the entire GL corps. Then, you might have an interesting fight. But SS still takes it. He is just too strong, too smart, too fast and just plain out classes damn near the entire JLA/JSA families.
Which is what makes him so boring.
Surfer should own Superman, but the fact that he was physically bested by Thor (Someone who is not in Current Supermans league in strength) makes me doubt the certainty of the fight. 🙂
Originally posted by DOOM2099
This would almost be interesting if Kent Nelson and Jim Corrigan showed up, along with the entire GL corps. Then, you might have an interesting fight. But SS still takes it. He is just too strong, too smart, too fast and just plain out classes damn near the entire JLA/JSA families.
😆 😆
i'll assume you are kidding around with that bit, of course. but, in the tiniest, silliest most remote possibility that you WERE attempting to be serious, or were expecting to be taken seriously . . .
oh yeah. he's 'cosmic', so the league can't handle him. they've hardly EVER defeated opponents of a 'cosmic' nature before . . . 🙄
so, in your entire rant, where exactly did you mention something ss could do but someone on the league can't? 😕 you have no way to say definitively that ss could beat hal jordan everytime, let alone the entire league! hell, jordan places him in a bubble that prevents him from absorbing ambient cosmic rays, just as the stranger did. ss is done, fight's over.
reg thor in single combat has beaten ss. ss has admitted his pc<mjollnir. at best, ss and thor have been shown to be equal/near equal. hell, IRONMAN has ko'd ss by simply draining a small portion of his power! gladiator has been shown stalemating ss. quasar has been shown to be possibly MORE powerful than ss. if you insist on using his high showings, you'd sure better factor his lower ones into the equation as well. the fact that you're implying that were the spectre present and fate present that it MIGHT make the fight interesting, really says all i, or anyone, needs to know about your post. which of course, is why i will safely assume you're just clowning. 😉
Originally posted by leonidas
😆 😆i'll assume you are kidding around with that bit, of course. but, in the tiniest, silliest most remote possibility that you WERE attempting to be serious, or were expecting to be taken seriously . . .
oh yeah. he's 'cosmic', so the league can't handle him. they've hardly EVER defeated opponents of a 'cosmic' nature before . . . 🙄
so, in your entire rant, where exactly did you mention something ss could do but someone on the league can't? 😕 you have no way to say definitively that ss could beat hal jordan everytime, let alone the entire league! hell, jordan places him in a bubble that prevents him from absorbing ambient cosmic rays, just as the stranger did. ss is done, fight's over.
reg thor in single combat has beaten ss. ss has admitted his pc<mjollnir. at best, ss and thor have been shown to be equal/near equal. hell, IRONMAN has ko'd ss by simply draining a small portion of his power! gladiator has been shown stalemating ss. quasar has been shown to be possibly MORE powerful than ss. if you insist on using his high showings, you'd sure better factor his lower ones into the equation as well. the fact that you're implying that were the spectre present and fate present that it MIGHT make the fight interesting, really says all i, or anyone, needs to know about your post. which of course, is why i will safely assume you're just clowning. 😉
Co-signed. ✅ A severe overestimation of Silver Surfer if he believes he can take down the ENTIRE JLA/JSA together. Sentinel alone would put his ass down, not to mention the other extremely powerful guys on these teams that could do it *cough Phantom Stranger cough* and *cough Dr. Fate cough* AND *cough Spectre cough*. Even the team mentioned on the first page should pull out more victories than not. Silver Surfer is good, but he's not this good.
Silver Surfer can win this, and with relative ease.
He opens the fight up big, and creates a blackhole off rip, as he did in Annihilation. Blasts the weakest/slowest jlaers in first.
Thus losing in a few seconds, Hawkgirl, WW, MM, Aquaman, and Steel. He then takes the fight to space, where he stomps superman, and after killing him, floats back to earth to deal with a waiting, terrified flash.
Deny the quickness in that scenario. Of course, this is him using all powers to the utmost.
agreed. i should point out that the team listed on the first page would have a tough time. most would play no factor. supes with ww's lasso would be a threat however, and there have been pages and pages written about ways supes himself could beat ss.
ss could beat the team thrown at him, though they could beat him also. i would give ss the majority though against the team on the first page.
Oh, the team change somewhere in the thread?? My bad.
But Leo, for the record, i've read all the Superman/Surfer threads. It always comes down to Superman punching him. Always. Lest Surfer starts jobbing yet again, Superman won't touch him, and will be defeated more exotically, than DC's trademark,
"punch, get punched in return and repeat punch motion."
The only thing Superman has on Surfer is his hand to hand comfort zone. Unless Surfer drops to his level, as many are wont to do in the Superverse, Surfer wins in a landslide.
Originally posted by UniOmni
Oh, the team change somewhere in the thread?? My bad.
But Leo, for the record, i've read all the Superman/Surfer threads. It always comes down to Superman punching him. Always. Lest Surfer starts jobbing yet again, Superman won't touch him, and will be defeated more exotically, than DC's trademark,
"punch, get punched in return and repeat punch motion."
The only thing Superman has on Surfer is his hand to hand comfort zone. Unless Surfer drops to his level, as many are wont to do in the Superverse, Surfer wins in a landslide.
i agree ss would/should/could win a majority. i don't think it would be easy -- supes weaknesses to k-nite and red solar rad have been markedly decreased of late. there also seems to be the increasing level of his power with 'stressful' situations nowadays. (hey, don't hate the messenger, just saying that seems to be a trend of late . . .)
but i agree uni -- ss could evade him theoretically long enough to beat him. the big question was torquasm-vo. if supes were to employ it, i see no way ss could beat supes, but t-vo is a bit of a mystery still, so i don't really know how viable it is. avalon knows more about it and thinks it is legit, i believe. there have been some other arguments put forth as well.
bottomline -- i don't think it would be as easy as some claim for ss to put him down, but more often than not, he would.
While I think the Surfer would take a slim (and I can't overemphasize the word slim enough) majority, if you add too much more I think he would go down.
As is stands, the only members of the JLA I can see being a factor are WW, Superman, Flash, and MM. I just can't imagine Aquaman, Steel (non-aegis armor Steel that is), or Hawk Girl lasting too long or making a big impact in this fight. Still that is four very powerful individuals against one. Now the only saving grace for SS in this fight is that he is the sole energy manipulator and thus can keep his opponents at a distance. Now if this group had just a little time to prepare or to coordinate their attack then again the scales would tip in their balance but a straight up fight favors SS in my mind thanks in no small part to his cosmic awareness.
In the fight Superman can be at least weakened with red sunlight and/or kryptonite, MM's telepathy wouldn't be a fight winner as the Surfer has shrugged off worse and the Surfer also can become intangible so he takes away another of MM's advantages, WW is perhaps the best h2h fighter involved but the Surfer has a sizable range advantage against her, and the Flash is the wild card here. I'm not sure if he'd be able to drain the Surfer's speed (I don't know how the power cosmic and speed force would react) and that him giving his teammates any extra speed would be very helpful as they would lack practice with it. That being said it would be advisable for the Surfer to quickly take the fight high into the air and face the Flash only after the others have been dealt with.
Still the Surfer is at least facing 3 Superman-level characters at once which is why I give the JLA about 4/10. They would be quite a handful for him to take on at once but I can see him doing it. The Surfer would have to fight smart by separating his opponents, facing them in smaller groups, and exploiting his long range attacks but I think he would win 6/10. However if someone said they think the JLA would take a majority, I couldn't disagree with them but for so far...
*I didn't take WW's godwave into account as it is nearly an automatic win for her.
Originally posted by TheKahn
While I think the Surfer would take a slim (and I can't overemphasize the word slim enough) majority, if you add too much more I think he would go down.As is stands, the only members of the JLA I can see being a factor are WW, Superman, Flash, and MM. I just can't imagine Aquaman, Steel (non-aegis armor Steel that is), or Hawk Girl lasting too long or making a big impact in this fight. Still that is four very powerful individuals against one. Now the only saving grace for SS in this fight is that he is the sole energy manipulator and thus can keep his opponents at a distance. Now if this group had just a little time to prepare or to coordinate their attack then again the scales would tip in their balance but a straight up fight favors SS in my mind thanks in no small part to his cosmic awareness.
In the fight Superman can be at least weakened with red sunlight and/or kryptonite, MM's telepathy wouldn't be a fight winner as the Surfer has shrugged off worse and the Surfer also can become intangible so he takes away another of MM's advantages, WW is perhaps the best h2h fighter involved but the Surfer has a sizable range advantage against her, and the Flash is the wild card here. I'm not sure if he'd be able to drain the Surfer's speed (I don't know how the power cosmic and speed force would react) and that him giving his teammates any extra speed would be very helpful as they would lack practice with it. That being said it would be advisable for the Surfer to quickly take the fight high into the air and face the Flash only after the others have been dealt with.
Still the Surfer is at least facing 3 Superman-level characters at once which is why I give the JLA about 4/10. They would be quite a handful for him to take on at once but I can see him doing it. The Surfer would have to fight smart by separating his opponents, facing them in smaller groups, and exploiting his long range attacks but I think he would win 6/10. However if someone said they think the JLA would take a majority, I couldn't disagree with them but for so far...
*I didn't take WW's godwave into account as it is nearly an automatic win for her.
it's (as usual, k 😉 ) a fair assessment. when i debated this thread earlier, i mentioned flash stealing his speed as well. again, like t-vo, i'm not too sure of its viability either. if flash could do that (current flash obviously not!) then ss is screwed. flash at full would nullify ss's second biggest asset -- speed (first being energy and attacking at a distance).
ss 6/10 against the team presented on pg 1 is a fair number, i think. unless flash can steal his speed. there is also a chance that flash could give speed as you said. if he could do that, ss would be royally f'd. once they worked together to get the lasso on him, he'd be done.
Originally posted by leonidas
i agree ss would/should/could win a majority. i don't think it would be easy -- supes weaknesses to k-nite and red solar rad have been markedly decreased of late. there also seems to be the increasing level of his power with 'stressful' situations nowadays. (hey, don't hate the messenger, just saying that seems to be a trend of late . . .)but i agree uni -- ss could evade him theoretically long enough to beat him. the big question was torquasm-vo. if supes were to employ it, i see no way ss could beat supes, but t-vo is a bit of a mystery still, so i don't really know how viable it is. avalon knows more about it and thinks it is legit, i believe. there have been some other arguments put forth as well.
bottomline -- i don't think it would be as easy as some claim for ss to put him down, but more often than not, he would.
Leo, you're right partly. T-vo would come up. But thats far from a definite win for superman. The person with the greater willpower (iirc) wins that not quite psychic, not quite magic, not quite astral projection, but stronger than all three(pis), battle. Superman having more willpower than Surfer is debateable at best. Thats why i never gave it much base.
Just cause they tout it in the DCU, doesn't mean squat in a neutral universe. His willpower, not T-vo.