Originally posted by King KAMand marvel themselves say that cap has better agility, daredevil is "circus level" cap is "better than any olympian"
your on crack, marvel itself says that captain america is possibly the best hand to hand fighter ever known, how and the hell does DD get ranked higher than him??? he would mop the floor with DD and punisher at the same time.
Originally posted by King KAM
your on crack, marvel itself says that captain america is possibly the best hand to hand fighter ever known, how and the hell does DD get ranked higher than him??? he would mop the floor with DD and punisher at the same time.
You obviously haven't read the rest of this thread.
Originally posted by DarkCrawleryet hes a better fighter....you sound like a mcdojo guy who knows absolutley nothing about fighting, it doesnt matter who trains more, or longer or in more shit, it matters on who can kick whos ass, and cap in h2h can kick Bps ass, dds ass, and shivas ass.
That Cap isn't that good at all. His training doesn't hold a candle to likes of Black Panther, Daredevil or Shiva.
Originally posted by Warmongerditto
uh why has no one mentioned Karnak? Hell in all honesty if you take out CIS Taskmaster murders everyone here.
Originally posted by King KAMI've heard DD kicked his ass recently. He can predtict moves better due to his senses
yet hes a better fighter....you sound like a mcdojo guy who knows absolutley nothing about fighting, it doesnt matter who trains more, or longer or in more shit, it matters on who can kick whos ass, and cap in h2h can kick Bps ass, dds ass, and shivas ass.
Originally posted by Lighthammer
That would not not be the greatest martial arts battle because Connor Hawke is not a martial artists and how can you put Lady Shiva, and batgirl in there without Blade . But of the wannabes you picked I'll pick Batman
Connor Hawke is a martial artist, and according to DC comics he's the #1 martial artist in the modern universe. but the most dangerious MA's in all of comics should go to ....
1. Karate Kid
2. Gamora
3. Mantis
4. Shiva
5. Shang Shi
6. Iron Fist
7. Richard Dragon
8. Sarah (Batgirl)
remember we are talking about martial artists. not all around fighters. like Cap, Batman, Wolverene, ect ect
9. Dick Grayson (Nightwing)
10. that MA that beat the hell out of Gambit and Roguein X-men ( I don't remember his name)
Originally posted by King KAM
yet hes a better fighter....you sound like a mcdojo guy who knows absolutley nothing about fighting, it doesnt matter who trains more, or longer or in more shit, it matters on who can kick whos ass, and cap in h2h can kick Bps ass, dds ass, and shivas ass.
He's not better fighter. Do you have anything to prove this?
If he wins any battles, it's because of his shield and peak human attributes in everything, not necessarily because of his fighting prowess.
"Dragon had her, but the fight wasn't stopped because he loved her, it was stopped by Shiva's guardians. The fight re-started from the top and Shiva beat and killed him. It was a dubious win, but if Dragon were truly better, he would have beaten her the second time. And given how she's beaten him in the past as well, her overall record makes her better"
We dont know if either he stopped because he wanted or because of the guards. He could even not want it and the guards would do theyr move anyway. That ish leaves the doubt from Dragon`s part (When Neron asks that exact question in the end) about if he wanted or not actually go for it. He did beat her the same way she beat him.
Dragon in that comic run had one loss against Shiva when he was still inexperienced (right after he won his first MA tournemant title) and another in that second round. And he has one win against her.
If we leave inexperience out they are tied.
Out of that run, they never fought post crisis as far as i recall. And Dragon still had the reputation he won pre crisis by defeating guys Shiva and Tiger as well as Batman couldnt.
Originally posted by olympian
"Dragon had her, but the fight wasn't stopped because he loved her, it was stopped by Shiva's guardians. The fight re-started from the top and Shiva beat and killed him. It was a dubious win, but if Dragon were truly better, he would have beaten her the second time. And given how she's beaten him in the past as well, her overall record makes her better"We dont know if either he stopped because he wanted or because of the guards. He could even not want it and the guards would do theyr move anyway. That ish leaves the doubt from Dragon`s part (When Neron asks that exact question in the end) about if he wanted or not actually go for it. He did beat her the same way she beat him.
Dragon in that comic run had one loss against Shiva when he was still inexperienced (right after he won his first MA tournemant title) and another in that second round. And he has one win against her.
If we leave inexperience out they are tied.
Out of that run, they never fought post crisis as far as i recall. And Dragon still had the reputation he won pre crisis by defeating guys Shiva and Tiger as well as Batman couldnt.
pre-crisis I believe Dragon was Shiva's teacher, so he had the edge in experience. post-crisis it was reversed, but I think the fact remains that Shiva's feats surpass Dragons and her victory in the re-match was pretty convincing, and combined with her earlier victory (even if due to inexperience), I think Shiva deserves a higher ranking than Dragon, even if only marginally. I think at any given time, Shiva, Cassie and Dragon could beat each other without anyone raising objections. Cassie has the greatest potential of the three, Shiva is the most accomplished, and Dragon can still become a bit better.
Re: the Captain America debate - given the way Cap manhandled Iron Fist, I'd definitely say that Cap is underrated in the MA department. I'd also say that a martial artist IS a fighter...that's what they do, they're proponents of the art of war. There was nothing in the post that said hand-to-hand only, or who knows the most techniques. It's who is the best fighter. By all rights, that really means anybody who engages in combat, but reasonably speaking, I think Cap and Wolverine and Deathstroke and even Punisher certainly count as martial artists, even if unarmed combat isn't their primary MO.
Originally posted by demigawd
Re: the Captain America debate - given the way Cap manhandled Iron Fist, I'd definitely say that Cap is underrated in the MA department. I'd also say that a martial artist IS a fighter...that's what they do, they're proponents of the art of war. There was nothing in the post that said hand-to-hand only, or who knows the most techniques. It's who is the best fighter. By all rights, that really means anybody who engages in combat, but reasonably speaking, I think Cap and Wolverine and Deathstroke and even Punisher certainly count as martial artists, even if unarmed combat isn't their primary MO.
But didn't Invisible Woman defeat Iron Fist? I wouldn't rate him close to being the Top Ten.
Originally posted by King KAM
your on crack, marvel itself says that captain america is possibly the best hand to hand fighter ever known, how and the hell does DD get ranked higher than him??? he would mop the floor with DD and punisher at the same time.
Marvel can say crap.... If Cap is the the best hand to hand fighter ever known, than who is Shang-Chi....Iron-Fist these guys would be gods of h2h. Yes i said DD is better...and i'm still saying it. But Cap can beat DD THANKS ONLY TO SERUM.
Originally posted by demigawd
Well, yeah...that's why I have Iron Fist ranked at #14. I'm just saying, Iron Fist is highly regarded and Cap treated him like an amateur.
Iron-Fist is always under written...you shld buy his own book... than come back to the forums and rank him #14. Black Panther had high regards of him.
Originally posted by joesha28
Iron-Fist is always under written...you shld buy his own book... than come back to the forums and rank him #14. Black Panther had high regards of him.
um...if he's ALWAYS underwritten, then that's not underwritten. That's him.
I'm not going by how strong he's *supposed* to be, I'm going by how strong he's been shown to be. If he's underwritten, that's his problem...those are the feats I have to take into consideration when ranking him.