Jesus Resurrection was physical.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Well, I'm not part of your church and you are making what seems judgments....... 🙄

* don't put words on others' mouths... the fact that you are not in my Church, i don't have any right to judge you...

* so, granting without accepting, what judgment did i made to you? or did you just made a judgment on yourself? 🙄

Originally posted by peejayd
* flesh and blood CANNOT inherit the kingdom of God... 😉

I partially agree with you peejayd. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God because it is weak and tainted by our sins. However, I believe that in heaven we are given a new, untainted body. I can't find the verse, but I know the body supports this. But Jesus was sinless and therefore his boy could be accepted into heaven as it was.

I believe you contradicted yourself.

Flash and blood can't go to your heavan, but flesh and blood can?

Originally posted by peejayd
* don't put words on others' mouths... the fact that you are not in my Church, i don't have any right to judge you...

* so, granting without accepting, what judgment did i made to you? or did you just made a judgment on yourself? 🙄

Isn't that some kind of judgement.. 🙄

Shouldnt we refer to that as Judgement?...not just your everyday judgment.

Originally posted by debbiejo
I'm not..............but according to you, I am not going to make it to heaven ......right??

Isn't that some kind of judgement.. 🙄

* i'm really surprised with your posts recently, ms.debbiejo... if i really made a statement that you're not going to make it to heaven, then it's really a judgment... but can you quote my post, please? 'coz i can't remember any post i made regarding that... 😉

Originally posted by Nellinator
I partially agree with you peejayd. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God because it is weak and tainted by our sins. However, I believe that in heaven we are given a new, untainted body. I can't find the verse, but I know the body supports this. But Jesus was sinless and therefore his boy could be accepted into heaven as it was.

* flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God NOT because it is weak and tainted by sins... here's the reason...

"Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Behold, I tell you a mystery: We all shall not sleep, but we shall all be changed,
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
But when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."
I Corinthians 15:50-54

* it is because the kingdom of God does NOT also accepts corruptible and mortality... and since our body is mortal and corruptible, it cannot inherit the kingdom of God...

* Jesus' body too, eventhough it was not tainted with any sin, cannot inherit the kingdom of God... if so, then Jesus' body will still die in heaven, because literally, it needs sustainance - food, water, etc... and eventually, the body will grow old, weak and die...

"There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another ."
I Corinthians 15:40

* there are different bodies used in heaven and on earth... 😉

Originally posted by Son of Man
By physical, I mean bodily. I belive Jesus ressurection was indeed supernatural.But, He had a body.
"When therefore it was evening, on that day, the first day of the week, and when the doors were shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in their midst, and *said to them, "Peace be with you." 20And when He had said this, He showed them both His hands and His side. The disciples therefore rejoiced when they saw the Lord," (John 20:19-20).
"And He said to them, "Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39"See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have." (Luke 24:38-39).

whobdamandog, you seem to be

Scriptures tetsify on by be-half.

whobdamandog, you seem to be attcking me on every thread. Did I offend you? Later.

You are ABSOLUTELY scriptural and correct Son of Man! Keep up the good work of rightly dividing the Word of Truth.

2 Timothy 2:15
15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth .

🙂 💃

Originally posted by peejayd
* flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God NOT because it is weak and tainted by sins... here's the reason...

"Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Behold, I tell you a mystery: We all shall not sleep, but we shall all be changed,
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
But when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."
I Corinthians 15:50-54

* it is because the kingdom of God does NOT also accepts corruptible and mortality... and since our body is mortal and corruptible, it cannot inherit the kingdom of God...

* Jesus' body too, eventhough it was not tainted with any sin, cannot inherit the kingdom of God... if so, then Jesus' body will still die in heaven, because literally, it needs sustainance - food, water, etc... and eventually, the body will grow old, weak and die...

"There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another ."
I Corinthians 15:40

* there are different bodies used in heaven and on earth... 😉

I got to give it to you peejayd you do TRY to interpret Scripture. I STILL have a difficult time understanding what you write (not because you disagree with me) because of the grammatical errors: "Jesus did NOT went to heaven...." You mean Jesus did not GO to heaven. Here is another grammatical mistake: "Jesus will be coming back in like manner He came up to heaven...." You mean WENT UP to heaven. So when I write that I have a difficult time understanding what you write PEOPLE should give me some credit and give me the benefit of the doubt that it has NOTHING to do with you disagreeing with me about an interpretation.

Before I began, Yes Peejayd I am VERY AWARE of these verses of Scripture:

1 Corinthians 15:35-49
35 But someone will say, “How are the dead raised up? And with what body do they come?” 36 Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies. 37 And what you sow, you do not sow that body that shall be, but mere grain—perhaps wheat or some other grain. 38 But God gives it a body as He pleases, and to each seed its own body.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of animals, another of fish, and another of birds. 40 There are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. 43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.”The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.

Now, you wrote, “again, i beg to disagree... Jesus did NOT went to heaven with physical body....” Peejayd, you do realize that the PHYSICAL body of Jesus died on a cross and was laid in a tomb? You do understand this don’t you?

John 19:38-42
38 After this, Joseph of Arimathea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly, for fear of the Jews, asked Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus; and Pilate gave him permission. So he came and took the body of Jesus . 39 And Nicodemus, who at first came to Jesus by night, also came, bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about a hundred pounds. 40 Then they took the body of Jesus , and bound it in strips of linen with the spices, as the custom of the Jews is to bury. 41 Now in the place where He was crucified there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb in which no one had yet been laid. 42 So there they laid Jesus, because of the Jews’ Preparation Day, for the tomb was nearby.

Again, Peejayd, this is a PHYSICAL, TANGIBLE, HUMAN BODY that was laid in the tomb. I will admit that when Jesus rose from the dead that He rose with an INCORRUPTIBLE, IMMORTAL body (a body devoid of sin and death). But Jesus’ body was STILL, a PHYSICAL BODY. Do you know what that means? It means that Jesus could contact this physical world with His body. In other words Jesus could touch physical things and be touched by other people. Jesus could eat physical food and physically walk on land. However, Jesus’ physical body was NO LONGER subject to the law of sin and death (which means that Jesus’ physical body CANNOT ever die or feel pain. In fact, Jesus physical body is immortal and incorruptible. Some Christians refer to this new body as a GLORIFIED body. Glory to God! No flesh and BLOOD cannot inherit the Kingdom of God but flesh and GLORY can. Jesus no longer has human blood flowing through his veins. Jesus body courses with the life and glory of Almighty God the Father. One day all believers/disciples/followers/true christians will have a body like Jesus: free from sin (i.e., CORRUPTION) and death (i.e., we will have IMMORTAL bodies). Don't believe me? Read this:

1 Corinthians 15:50-58
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

55 “ O Death, where is your sting?
O Hades, where is your victory?”

56 The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.

Originally posted by peejayd
* flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God NOT because it is weak and tainted by sins... here's the reason...

"Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Behold, I tell you a mystery: We all shall not sleep, but we shall all be changed,
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
But when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."
I Corinthians 15:50-54

* it is because the kingdom of God does NOT also accepts corruptible and mortality... and since our body is mortal and corruptible, it cannot inherit the kingdom of God...

* Jesus' body too, eventhough it was not tainted with any sin, cannot inherit the kingdom of God... if so, then Jesus' body will still die in heaven, because literally, it needs sustainance - food, water, etc... and eventually, the body will grow old, weak and die...

"There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another ."
I Corinthians 15:40

* there are different bodies used in heaven and on earth... 😉

John 20:24-27
24 Now Thomas, called the Twin, one of the twelve, was not with them when Jesus came. 25 The other disciples therefore said to him, “We have seen the Lord.”
So he said to them, “Unless I see in His hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe.” 26 And after eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, “Peace to you!” 27 Then He said to Thomas, “Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing.”

John 19:34
34 But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear , and immediately blood and water came out.

Jesus told one of His disciples (he’s called doubting Thomas) to reach his finger there and, look at his hands (for the print of the nails) and for him to reach his hand there and put it into Jesus’ side (where the soldier pierced Jesus’ side with a spear). How could Thomas reach his finger and hand onto a body that did not have corporeality (i.e., tangibility)? The fact the Jesus encouraged doubting Thomas to reach his finger into the print where the nails had been and into Jesus’ spear-pierced side is BECAUSE Jesus has a PHYSICAL BODY.

John 20:11-17
11 But Mary stood outside by the tomb weeping, and as she wept she stooped down and looked into the tomb. 12 And she saw two angels in white sitting, one at the head and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain . 13 Then they said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping?”
She said to them, “Because they have taken away my Lord, and I do not know where they have laid Him.”
14 Now when she had said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, and did not know that it was Jesus. 15 Jesus said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you seeking?”
She, supposing Him to be the gardener, said to Him, “Sir, if You have carried Him away, tell me where You have laid Him, and I will take Him away.”
16 Jesus said to her, “Mary!”
She turned and said to Him, “Rabboni!” (which is to say, Teacher).
17 Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me , for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’”

Peejayd, do you ever wonder WHERE the PHYSICAL BODY of Jesus went? The same PHYSICAL BODY of Jesus Christ that was beaten, spit on, tortured, and crucified on the cross was laid in a nearby tomb. After three days and three nights Jesus PHYSICAL BODY was RAISED FROM THE DEAD. This is why the PHYSICAL BODY OF JESUS was nowhere to be found when Mary went to the tomb looking for Jesus. Jesus admonished Mary not to CLING to Him....How could Mary cling to a body that had no corporeality or tangibility? Jesus body was real, but it is now in a GLORIFIED state that can appear and disappear. But is still capable of being touched or contacting this three-dimensional world. One day we will have a body like Jesus with these same faculties. You just read it in 1 Corinthians 50-58.

Finally, Jesus resurrection was VERY PHYSICAL. So physical in fact that after He rose from the dead He ate broiled fish and honey comb with His disciples on one occasion, and fish (some that the disciples had just caught) and bread on another.

Luke 24:40-43
When He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet. But while they still did not believe for joy, and marveled, He [Jesus] said to them, “Have you any food here?” So they gave Him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb. And He took it and ate in their presence.

I believe that Jesus ate the broiled fish and honeycomb TO PROVE OR EVINCE OR SHOW His disciples that He had PHYSICALLY RISEN FROM THE DEAD, not spiritually.

John 21:1
After these things Jesus showed Himself again to the disciples at the Sea of Tiberias, and in this way He showed Himself : But when the morning had now come, Jesus stood on the shore; yet the disciples did not know that it was Jesus. Therefore that disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter, “It is the Lord!” Now when Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he put on his outer garment (for he had removed it), and plunged into the sea. But the other disciples came in the little boat (for they were not far from land, but about two hundred cubits), dragging the net with fish. Then, as soon as they had come to land, they saw a fire of coals there, and fish laid on it, and bread. Jesus said to them, “Bring some of the fish which you have just caught.” Simon Peter went up and dragged the net to land, full of large fish, one hundred and fifty-three; and although there were so many, the net was not broken. Jesus said to them, “Come and eat breakfast.” Yet none of the disciples dared ask Him, “Who are You?”—knowing that it was the Lord. Jesus then came and took the bread and gave it to them, and likewise the fish. This is now the third time Jesus showed Himself to His disciples after He was raised from the dead.

http://www.tbn.org/index.php/8/1.html (The Resurrection On Trial by Hal Lyndsey 60 min.)

Originally posted by peejayd
* flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God NOT because it is weak and tainted by sins... here's the reason...

"Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Behold, I tell you a mystery: We all shall not sleep, but we shall all be changed,
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
But when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."
I Corinthians 15:50-54

* it is because the kingdom of God does NOT also accepts corruptible and mortality... and since our body is mortal and corruptible, it cannot inherit the kingdom of God...

* Jesus' body too, eventhough it was not tainted with any sin, cannot inherit the kingdom of God... if so, then Jesus' body will still die in heaven, because literally, it needs sustainance - food, water, etc... and eventually, the body will grow old, weak and die...

"There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another ."
I Corinthians 15:40

* there are different bodies used in heaven and on earth... 😉

Flesh and Blood are tainted because Eve ate a fkn apple 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
* flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God NOT because it is weak and tainted by sins... here's the reason...

"Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Behold, I tell you a mystery: We all shall not sleep, but [b]we shall all be changed,
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
But when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."
I Corinthians 15:50-54
[/B]

"we shall all be changed" is the key phrase in this passage I believe. Our mortal body shall be changed into an immortal body.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Flesh and Blood are tainted because Eve ate a fkn apple 😉

You laugh, but think about how many plants are actually bad for health. If Adam and eve were immortal - perhaps the had working telomeres at the end of their chromosomes - and they ingested something that forever disabled the ability of their bodies and bodies of their descendents to repair the telomeres after mitosis, then the body would then have a built in self destruct. I'm not saying that that's what happened, I tend to look at it symbolically more than literally, but Corruption from eating the wrong thing is not out of the realm of possibility.

Originally posted by docb77
You laugh, but think about how many plants are actually bad for health. If Adam and eve were immortal - perhaps the had working telomeres at the end of their chromosomes - and they ingested something that forever disabled the ability of their bodies and bodies of their descendents to repair the telomeres after mitosis, then the body would then have a built in self destruct. I'm not saying that that's what happened, I tend to look at it symbolically more than literally, but Corruption from eating the wrong thing is not out of the realm of possibility.

Adam and Eve are mythological beings, and never existed in real life.

Originally posted by docb77
You laugh, but think about how many plants are actually bad for health. If Adam and eve were immortal - perhaps the had working telomeres at the end of their chromosomes - and they ingested something that forever disabled the ability of their bodies and bodies of their descendents to repair the telomeres after mitosis, then the body would then have a built in self destruct. I'm not saying that that's what happened, I tend to look at it symbolically more than literally, but Corruption from eating the wrong thing is not out of the realm of possibility.

But still....we are condemned because Eve ate an apple...

If The Garden of Eden was perfect, as the Bible says, then why was there a tree of damned apples ?

Is God that sadist that he'd put something in front of his brand new children just to tempt them, and give him reason to create Hell ? Is he masochistic, just waiting to be betrayed ?

The Bible shows God in more of a negative light than positive.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Adam and Eve are mythological beings, and never existed in real life.

Their existence is not empirically provable either way if that's what you mean.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
But still....we are condemned because Eve ate an apple...

If The Garden of Eden was perfect, as the Bible says, then why was there a tree of damned apples ?

Is God that sadist that he'd put something in front of his brand new children just to tempt them, and give him reason to create Hell ? Is he masochistic, just waiting to be betrayed ?

The Bible shows God in more of a negative light than positive.

The tree could have served some purpose other than temptation. It could have been good for the animals, but not the humans. The Genesis account simply doesn't give enough information to really judge God.

Originally posted by docb77
Their existence is not empirically provable either way if that's what you mean...

It is more likely that they are metaphors for the human race, and did not exist as the story is told.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It is more likely that they are metaphors for the human race, and did not exist as the story is told.

I agree that there is much of the story that is likely metaphor, however, I do think that such personages actually existed. I would have to agree that Genesis does not likely give the complete story.

Originally posted by docb77
I agree that there is much of the story that is likely metaphor, however, I do think that such personages actually existed. I would have to agree that Genesis does not likely give the complete story.

I understand what you believe, but I was not talking about belief, I was talking about logic. What is the simplest answer? 😄

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I understand what you believe, but I was not talking about belief, I was talking about logic. What is the simplest answer? 😄

That my friend all depends on whether the God of the Bible is real or imagined. 😉