Originally posted by peejayd
* you just refuse to accept the fact, my friend... i am simply saying things that are in the Bible... we are NOT spirits but we HAVE spirits..."See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye behold me having."
Luke 24:39
* Christ Himself said that a spirit does not have flesh and bones... do we have flesh and bones? yes, we have! so, we are not spirits...
Jesus was just raised from the dead the last thing that He wanted to do was talk about His Spirit. So Jesus talked about His physical body to evince the fact that He was physically resurrected and not spiritually. That is all that verse means.
* but why do i say that i consider us, as humans, be called "souls"?
"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."
Genesis 2:7
* because when the Father created Adam, the man became a living soul... the entirety of a human being is called a soul, according to the Bible... and another proof is...
Peejayd, I have given you a plethora of chapters and verses in previous posts that support my affirmation that we are spirits, we have a soul, and we dwell in physical bodies. The word soul and spirit are used almost interchangeably but I do not believe that they are synonymous.
"That aforetime were disobedient, when the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water:"
I Peter 3:20
* Saint Peter called Noah and his household as the "eight souls who were saved through water"... 😉
Isaiah 26:9
With my soul I have desired You in the night,
Yes, by my spirit within me I will seek You early; For when Your judgments are in the earth,
The inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness
You have a soul (mind, will, emotions). But YOU ARE a spirit.
Job 32:18
For I am full of words;
The spirit within me compels me.
Job 32:8
But there is a spirit in man ,
And the breath of the Almighty gives him understanding.
Did you catch that? I just noticed something. This Scripture says that the breath of the Almighty gives him understanding. The understanding is in the soul aspect of our three-fold nature. This confirms what I said that you are a spirit (the part of you created in God's image and likeness), you have a soul (mind, will, emotions), but you dwell in a physical body.
Bro. Peejayd, as I have previously informed you the Bible uses the word soul and spirit almost interchangeably but they ARE NOT synonymous. Let me rehash a previous post on this subject.
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit , and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
There is a division or distinction between soul and spirit. However, in Revelation and in other places the word soul is used as if it is referring to a spirit person or entity. But the soul is the mind, will, and emotions; it is the seat of these faculties. I heard a minister give this very good analogy once. He said picture an empty glass sitting on a table. Let's say that the empty glass represents the human body. Now, fill this empty glass with water. Imagine yourself pouring water into this empty glass. Let's say that the water represents the spirit (the real you) and the "wet" or "wetness" characteristic of the water represents the soul. There you have it: the three-fold nature of humankind. When a person dies the water (spirit) along with the wet (soul) departs from the glass (physical body). So when a person dies their spirit and soul leaves their physical body. Imagine pouring the water from the glass. You cannot have water without having water’s “wet” quality too. So you cannot have a spirit without a soul; they go together. But you can analyze them and study them compartmentally.
Peejayd, God's IMAGE and LIKENESS is a reference to what He looks like and God is a Spirit. Image cannot refer to God's clothes, sneakers, hairstyle, or jewelry that He wears (I am being facestious for no other reason than to make a point). So then what else COULD image and likeness mean? I submit to you that God's image and likeness is what He is (His essence) as well as His anatomy.
Proverbs 20:27
The spirit of a man is the lamp of the LORD,
Searching all the inner depths of his heart.
Spirit and heart are synonymous. But spirit and soul are not.
Ecclesiastes 12:7
Then the dust will return to the earth as it was,
And the spirit will return to God who gave it .
The spirit will return to the Father of spirits: i.e., God.
Isaiah 57:16
For I will not contend forever,
Nor will I always be angry;
For the spirit would fail before Me,
And the souls which I have made.
We are spirits but we have souls.
Romans 7:22
For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man .
The inward man is a spirit just like God. God is not a soul, God is a Spirit.
Hebrews 12:9
Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live?
Bro. Peejayd, Although WE HAVE souls (i.e., a mind, will, and emotions) WE ARE spirits just like God. God is called the Father (i.e., originator, source) OF SPIRITS not the Father of souls. This is such a minute distinction, I know, but it is a distinction nonetheless. You are not a soul, you have a soul. You know there are verses in the Bible where people are called "flesh" too. But does that mean that we are flesh? No, we HAVE a fleshly body, but we are not flesh. There is a verse in the Bible where we are called dust too. You have to know HOW God is saying what He says to know what He means at any given time. I know what God is saying and how He is saying it. I just don't pick up my Bible, open it up to a passage, read it and then run out and tell people what it means. I analyze the context to get a feel and understanding for how God is talking to find out what He really means. That is why we have to rightly divide the Word of Truth. I believe the Bible was written in such a way that we have to put forth an effort to put all the pieces of Scripture together to truly interpret it. God wants us to be students of His Word not just cursory readers who peruse the surface only but do not delve into His Word.
1 Corinthians 6:19-20
Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit , which are God’s .
We glorify God in our body and in our spirit because we are spirits that dwell in bodies.
Hebrews 12:23
to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect ,
It is our spirits' that will be made perfect. I believe that this word perfect does not necessarily mean "incapable of error." I believe it is a reference to spiritual maturity.
James 2:26
For as the body without the spirit is dead , so faith without works is dead also.
The spirit aspect of humankind is the part that is created in God's image and likeness because God is a Spirit. The spirit part is the life-force or animator of the body AS IT WERE. The soul merely accompanies the spirit.
1 Thessalonians 5:23
Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Need I say more?
Our complete nature is three-fold. As a result, we are capable of being a spirit, and of having a soul. But we dwell in physical bodies. The spirit and soul go together just like the wet with the water.
I rest my case.