GOKU and SUPERMAN

"Oly- Goku has nothing to do with this equation. What i said chump, was that fat Buu by the figths he had with other two versions its the weakest Buu form. He lost both."

Wow! SSJ3 Goku was able to fight evenly with both Fat Buu and Kid Buu, Kid Buu was just more ruthless then Fat Buu (probaly a much better fighter too).

"That blast you showed wasent with the intent of destroying Earth. You posted yourself, it was to figth Goku. And -yet- what do we get from the last panel? -Earth shaking momen-t. Thanks for making my point."

Which proves my point that they have to charge up there blasts to destroy planets and that ssj3 Goku has never been hit with a planet destroying blasts.

"You always seem get back to the start because you cant refute anything.

About Freeza, that was all mentioned already. Have something else?"

I read the manga, and again Freeza used the Death Ball technique to destroy planets (which sinks into the planet, blows up, cause the planet to crack, destroying it!) period.🙂

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Femi 32 add roshi being able to destroy the moon in dragon ball at powerlevel of 139.

If I add 139, the PL to destroy Earth would be lower than 12,000. That's why I used 150, which was Master Roshi's power level when he destroyed the moon. Goku was 416 when he fought Radditz. When he did the kamehameha, it jumped to 926. Roshi jumped from 139 to 150 when doing a maximum powered kamehameha.

DBZ power levels don't work at a fixed rate. That's why people shouldn't use math to determine what they're capable of. The rate to destroy one thing compared to another is completly random. PL are only good for DBZ characters. Outside of DBZ, they're worthless. Math is better for point A to B stuff.

I'll use math for Goku's speed on Snake Way.

Snake Way= 600,000 miles
Goku took 2 days to cross that distance
rate x time= distance

We need to figure out the rate to know how fast Goku was going. Fortunately, we have the time and the distance. So,

r x 48 hours = 600,000
r x 48/48= 600,000/48
r = 12,500 miles per hour or mach 18

Goku in the Saiyan Saga was Mach 17 or 18.

So at a ssj 1 how many planets could goku destroy?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
So at a ssj 1 how many planets could goku destroy?

It's hard to say, because power levels don't have a fixed rate. Vegeta at 18,000 can destroy a planet only by drilling through the core. Frieza at 530,000 can do it with his finger. Thus, Frieza and anybody above him are the true planet destroyers because they don't need to hit the core to blow it up (Frieza easily destroyed planet Vegeta).

My guess would be that SSJ Goku in the Frieza saga can blow up multiple planets without hitting the core and more by hitting the core, but no where near 850. At best I would put it between 15-30.

If power levels were redone and at a fixed rate, it would go like this:

82 moons = Earth's mass
1,000,000 earths' = Sun's mass

150= destroyed Moon
12,300 (150 x 82 moons) = destroyed Earth
12,300,000,000 x (12,300 x 1,000,000 earths) = destroyed Sun

Vegeta was never shown to destroy a planet with ease like Frieza. 12,300 is definetly too low. 1.23 x 10^10 is too high for a solar system. Super Perfect Cell's estimated PL is 300,000,000 and he was stated to destroy a solar system. SSJ4 Goku's estimated PL is over a billion. There both too low destroy a sun according to the math.

The math is not wrong, it's just that the PL required to destoy stuff jumps randomly. Here are the official ones.

150 = Moon destroyed
18,000 = Earth destroyed by hitting the core
530,000 = Earth destroyed easily
300,000,000 = Solar system destroyed

The jumps between what to destroy don't follow a fixed pattern. That's why math doesn't work with DBZ PL's. It only works for point A to B stuff.

Originally posted by Femi32
It's hard to say, because power levels don't have a fixed rate. Vegeta at 18,000 can destroy a planet only by drilling through the core. Frieza at 530,000 can do it with his finger. Thus, Frieza and anybody above him are the true planet destroyers because they don't need to hit the core to blow it up (Frieza easily destroyed planet Vegeta).

My [b]guess would be that SSJ Goku in the Frieza saga can blow up multiple planets without hitting the core and more by hitting the core, but no where near 850. At best I would put it between 15-30.

If power levels were redone and at a fixed rate, it would go like this:

82 moons = Earth's mass
1,000,000 earths' = Sun's mass

150= destroyed Moon
12,300 (150 x 82 moons) = destroyed Earth
12,300,000,000 x (12,300 x 1,000,000 earths) = destroyed Sun

Vegeta was never shown to destroy a planet with ease like Frieza. 12,300 is definetly too low. 1.23 x 10^10 is too high for a solar system. Super Perfect Cell's estimated PL is 300,000,000 and he was stated to destroy a solar system. SSJ4 Goku's estimated PL is over a billion. There both too low destroy a sun according to the math.

The math is not wrong, it's just that the PL required to destoy stuff jumps randomly. Here are the official ones.

150 = Moon destroyed
18,000 = Earth destroyed by hitting the core
530,000 = Earth destroyed easily
300,000,000 = Solar system destroyed

The jumps between what to destroy don't follow a fixed pattern. That's why math doesn't work with DBZ PL's. It only works for point A to B stuff. [/B]

Wait planet vegeta isn't earth sized the gravity is 10 times that of earth so it's bigger...

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Wait planet vegeta isn't earth sized the gravity is 10 times that of earth so it's bigger...

Or just closer to a much bigger sun. At least that's my understanding. Probably wrong though, because I'm no physicist.

What about superman what's the most damage post crisis superman has taken?

I know a star going super nova KOed him for days so anything that can destroy the sun more then once should be able to kill him, kid buu destroyed galaxy's including stars so....

You never saw Buu destroy a galaxy in the manga. Only Earth.

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
You never saw Buu destroy a galaxy in the manga. Only Earth.

That scene was filler then.

Originally posted by Femi32
That scene was filler then.

Buu destroying any other planet besides Earth is filler, yes. Also the fight on the Grand Kai's planet was filler as well.

I'm going with 20,000 kili destroy a planet, So the anamolly's math is wrong?!

You cant "GO" with anything. kili's have nothing to be compared with to make an accurate assumption about anything.

The power levels I listed came from either the Daizenshyus (The Dragon Ball encyclopedia which was written/ signed off by Toriyama) and/ or the Manga itself. This means that all the power levels are fact, not opinions or guesses because they came from Toriyama himself.

The powerlevels ONLY go to the end of the Frieza saga, which is why I only went to the end of the Frieza saga. After that Toriyama never (and wont for whatever reasons) mentioned/ will tell people what the powerlevels are after that saga. You'll notice while going to various sites for DBZ that pretty well all the powerlevels up until Frieza are the same. After it though they're different from site to site, because of opinion since there are none after Frieza. never the less those are the official powerlevels.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
You cant "GO" with anything. kili's have nothing to be compared with to make an accurate assumption about anything.

The power levels I listed came from either the Daizenshyus (The Dragon Ball encyclopedia which was written/ signed off by Toriyama) and/ or the Manga itself. This means that all the power levels are fact, not opinions or guesses because they came from Toriyama himself.

The powerlevels ONLY go to the end of the Frieza saga, which is why I only went to the end of the Frieza saga. After that Toriyama never (and wont for whatever reasons) mentioned/ will tell people what the powerlevels are after that saga. You'll notice while going to various sites for DBZ that pretty well all the powerlevels up until Frieza are the same. After it though they're different from site to site, because of opinion since there are none after Frieza. never the less those are the official powerlevels.

He won't give them out for this reason. The whole Goku vs Superman thing. He wanted Goku to act, and be like Superman through and through. In all honesty, I think Superman and Goku are completely even. Goku is the Superman of the East.

DB was a story based around the tales of eastern civilization. And DBZ was a story based around the comics of the western civilization.

Alex Ross, gotta love his Superman

"Wow! SSJ3 Goku was able to fight evenly with both Fat Buu and Kid Buu, Kid Buu was just more ruthless then Fat Buu (probaly a much better fighter too)."

Oly- You said before and i quote:

"Fat Buu also stalmated ssj3 Goku, who stated himself that he wasn't sure that he could beat Fat Buu. -And don't forget that SSJ3 Goku also got his but kicked by Kid Buu-, after putting up a decent fight."

Oly- So wich one is it ? He fought evenly or got his butt kicked? You dont need to change your opinion when it suits you best.

Btw. He just held its own. Vegeta, Fat Buu and Goku wer all beaten by Kid Buu.

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"Which proves my point that they have to charge up there blasts to destroy planets and that ssj3 Goku has never been hit with a planet destroying blasts."

Oly- Really? Is that why even Fat Buu -wasent aiming to destroy the Earth- the effect of the blast was a Earth shaking moment 😖hifty: ?

And Kid Buu didnt charged anything. Both the times. Its there in the manga. You cant say otherwise.

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"I dont read the manga"

Oly- I see. Nothing new.

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"Buu destroying any other planet besides Earth is filler, yes. Also the fight on the Grand Kai's planet was filler as well."

Oly- What figth are you talking about here?

Buu destroying other planets was only stated in the manga. Its part of the plot. Thats how Supreme Kai had that title by default after Buu eliminated his other peers.

"Oly- So wich one is it ? He fought evenly or got his butt kicked? You dont need to change your opinion when it suits you best.

Btw. He just held its own. Vegeta, Fat Buu and Goku wer all beaten by Kid Buu."

Wow! SSJ3 Goku was able to fight evenly with both Fat Buu and Kid Buu, Kid Buu was just more ruthless then Fat Buu (probaly a much better fighter too). SSJ3 Goku was fighting evenly with Kid Buu, he just lost energy way to fast.

"Oly- Really? Is that why even Fat Buu -wasent aiming to destroy the Earth- the effect of the blast was a Earth shaking moment ?

And Kid Buu didnt charged anything. Both the times. Its there in the manga. You cant say otherwise. "

Which proves my point that they have to charge up there blasts to destroy planets and that ssj3 Goku has never been hit with a planet destroying blasts. Kid Buu had to charge up the second blasts, and he didn't blow up the planet during his fight with Goku with a simple "KI" blast either (it didn't even take huge chunck out the planet, just made a small explosion) so my point is proven. 😕

WTF!!!! You guys are way out there...lol I'm glad I started this thread(and, no FISTS OF THE NORTH STAR, this was not a personal attack, I just think you're stupid b/c you think Superman is soooo great and yet I can name itleast 10 other warriors that would destroy him easily) Second, ANOMOLY, you're a cool cat. I like your arguements. I think all of you have good arguements...but I think you're reading into it WAY too much. Even if Goku and Superman were equal(which is absurd) how the hell could Superman ever hit him. HE CAN'T FIGHT, NO MARTIAL ARTS, NO TRAINING HIS WHOLE LIFE! What the hell is so hard to understand? If you take two people of equal strength, and one of them has spent his ENTIRE life training and fighting, while the other has enough trouble juggling his secret identity, has had no REAL training, especially with the greatest warriors in the universe and put them in the same room together....the martial artists wins.....HANDS DOWN! Get over it Superman fans. Superman can't do a spinning wheel kick...and don't say OH, he doesn't need to. BULLSH#T!! The best fighters in the world, right now!!! are martial artists. Also, Goku is WAYYYYYYYYYY faster...come on, instant transmission. Superman also has a cape...WEAK!!! How much of a burden is that in a fight? Exactly. He's got alllllll these cool powers, but speed, power, cunning, experience, TRAINING, MARTIAL ARTS....THIS IS WHAT MAKES A GREAT FIGHTER! And Goku is light years ahead of Superman in all of these areas. Oh, and as far as the idiots saying Buu didn't destroy plenets.....what? Uhhhh...yea he did. He destroyed entire solar systems, threatened the entire universe. He was only contained by the Kai's, never destroyed. Also Kid Buu is the strongest most powerful Buu. That was his original form, his strongest form. And he would wipe his ass with Superman, then turn him into chocolate and absorb him. Someone else also talked about GT and Goku absorbing the dragonballs.....that's just beyond COMPREHENSION. That particular Goku at that time would kill 1000 Superman's. It's just power too RADICAL to understand. I mean lets give Superman some hope. LMAO! BTW, I luuuvvv Superman. The movie is gonna be awesome. I'm just telling you the facts. SUPERMAN WOULD GET DECIMATED BY GOKU! As a matter of fact, you know what? I think Goku would destroy every single DC character at the same time, if he really wanted to. They're ALL WEAK!

"SSJ3 Goku was fighting evenly with Kid Buu, he just lost energy way to fast."

Oly- No. He was helding its own. Figthing evenly its when it can go both ways at any time.

Goku didnt had the advantage against Kid Buu in any part of the fight. Kid Buu went as far as mocking every single one he faced. He was more powerful, stronger and more durable.

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"Which proves my point that they have to charge up there blasts to destroy planets and that ssj3 Goku has never been hit with a planet destroying blasts"

Oly- Except the scan you provided shows Goku taking an Earth shaking blast.

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"Kid Buu had to charge up the second blasts, and he didn't blow up the planet during his fight with Goku with a simple "KI" blast either "

Oly- In the fight against both he didnt charged. I should know. I provided the scans. The attack was without effort. The amusing part its that you are arguing beings who have destroyed planets out of theyr existence. I know you would wish Superman could do the same but hes just outclassed.

The Freeza/Goku fight in Namek when only in the physicall plane was doing more damage to that planet than Superman does when figthing its opponents.

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Except the scan i provided shows Goku taking an Earth shaking blast.