GOKU and SUPERMAN

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Like fighting goku, superman needs the sun more then anything what's stopping goku from blowing it up vanish faraway and come back afterwards kill supes and winning goku can travel to different dimensions since he goes to heaven constantly with his instant transmission...I don't see superman winning this fight.

Goku doesn't travel different dimensions. After life in the DB universe is a physical place, not a dimension.

And what's stoping Goku from blowing it up? Why would he do that. If he does do that, then Superman simply won't be able to store up his energy any more. It won't diminish the energy Superman already has.

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
Goku doesn't travel different dimensions. After life in the DB universe is a physical place, not a dimension.

And what's stoping Goku from blowing it up? Why would he do that. If he does do that, then Superman simply won't be able to store up his energy any more. It won't diminish the energy Superman already has.

True but he would use energy fighting goku...

Supes power is very limited to the sun. I know it takes weeks but goku could keep with senzu beans and what not since he barley fights with out them.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
:: Sigh :: You guy's keep posting this garbage about superman being invulnerable yet he was killed by doomsday, You say it's because he ran out of power yet the sun is his power source and it wasn't night time when they fought so how does his energy run out, Please post a valid argument superman escaping a black hole doesn't count, to escape a black hole you must go faster then the speed of light which superman can do but it has nothing to do with super strength and invulnerability superman isn't invincible anymore, And for the record I'm not a DBZ fan boy I hate that show now ( Except for the movies and the original DB) My favorite super hero is superman but I'm not gonna delude my self and think he can be goku...Like said already show me an instant where superman has survived a force that can destroy 833 planets and we have an argument...

Mageddon, and he absorbed it purposely.
Oh, and Goku is no Doomsday...DD would kill Goku without a second thought...and this is before both Supes and DD got ridiculous upgrades.

Since it's been proven that Superman has survived forces great enough to destroy a planet several times, it's time to prove that for Goku, with scans or episode references.

Oh yeah, Radditz was not faster than light. That was narrative hyperbole from the Pioneer/Funimation dub. You can't take everything they say in the American dub of DBZ as fact because Pioneer/Funimation screwed up the scripts. In the Pioneer dub, Vegeta said Bardock was a scientist and Goku concluded that Vegeta killed Granpa Gohan. The Pioneer/Funimation dub also said Snake Way was 10,000 miles long when it's actually 600,000 miles long. Obviously, those examples are too false to be true.

Originally posted by Femi32
Since it's been proven that Superman has survived forces great enough to destroy a planet several times, it's time to prove that for Goku, with scans or episode references.

Oh yeah, Radditz was not faster than light. That was narrative hyperbole from the Pioneer/Funimation dub. You can't take everything they say in the American dub of DBZ as fact because Pioneer/Funimation screwed up the scripts. In the Pioneer dub, Vegeta said Bardock was a scientist and Goku concluded that Vegeta killed Granpa Gohan. The Pioneer/Funimation dub also said Snake Way was 10,000 miles long when it's actually 600,000 miles long. Obviously, those examples are too false to be true.

People don't look at scans anymore it seems. I showed some a couple pages back, they completely ignored them.

I said this on the Suerman vs Goku thread and I will say it here. Personally I can't stand DBZ. These f**kers are made to powerful and it seems they dont have limit's. Everytime I hear when Goku fights, he gets stronger after each battle...till what he becomes a f**king god?

I like the fact that Superhero's and yes fighter's in other games have limit's...Superman can lose there is no denying that but I cant stand how DBZ characters are constantly talked about like there above all. Especially with my freinds when we will debate that what if this character vs that character and then some comes in and says "well Goku and DBZ would destroy them all"

Ridiculous.

"Since it's been proven that Superman has survived forces great enough to destroy a planet several times, it's time to prove that for Goku, with scans or episode references. "

Oly- Sure. His figths with Buu. The. Guy. who. destroyed. Earth. with. a Single. Blast.

The last blast from Cell when the porpuse was to destroy Earth as well.

His figth with Vegeta when it was stated the same.

His figth with Freeza. A guy who destroyed a planet in his weaker form.

Goku has taken blasts from these guys when they wer intented to -kill him or destroy everything-

Enough?

Superman wins.

Oh and Buu destroyed Earth with a charged up blasts, which Goku didn't get hit by, Goku didn't take Cell blast either (he avoided it, he did die from Cell selfdestruction though) or Freeza's (who destroys planets with his Death Ball technique, that sinks down towards the planets core). *walks back out with a big grin saying, "these fanboys just don't giveup" * 🙂

"Oh and Buu destroyed Earth with a charged up blasts"

Oly- He wasent powering up. And he still did it with a single blast. Thats power baby.

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"which Goku didn't get hit by"

Oly- He was hit by blasts of that kind in other times he encountered Buu. Including blasts meant to kill him.

a single blast powerful enough to blast Earth aka non charged up > Blasts with the intent to kill aka charged up.

More simple, eh?

How about an example of the manga where a single blast was stated to have that effect, and Buu isent charging up?

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/738/buu0dy.gif

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/1918/buu11wh.gif

How about Goku taking those blasts at close range?

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2971/buu25ww.gif

Oh my.

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"or Freeza's (who destroys planets with his Death Ball technique, that sinks down towards the planets core). "

Oly- That was in the figth against Goku. On porpuse, and you would knew that if you had read the manga. He could survive in space. Goku at the time could not. He knew he had the advantage if the planet exploded, over his opponent. But still wanted to beat him by its own hands. Thats why he used a death ball to the planets core so it -wouldnt explode right away- (the real time of the figth after that was 5 minutes in the manga). It would give him time to beat Goku, flavour it and still survive.

The -first time- we see him do that he zapped a planet out of existence right away (Vegeta`s planet). It was a regular death ball (non - charged - up with the evidence he did it without -powering himself-) and he was at the weakest form.

So much for your arguments.

Olympian, give up, The Superman people just don't seem to understand that by the time the Frieza saga ends pretty well everyone could destroy the planet without flinching...They are set on doing the comic book, "feat wars" that seem to be popular but are logically flawed because they don't prove how powerful the character is, they just prove what someone can do in an instant. They say nothing of an actual overall power. Go to the Star Wars vs. Forums, they are beginning to not listen to feat wars there (unlike the comic book vs. forums) because they realise that they don't mean anything.

and as I said, Goku's Powerlevel at the end of the Frieza saga is 15 million. It takes a power of roughly 20 thousand to destroy a moderately sized planet. This is all Akira Toriyama supported and cannot be argued.

Now multiply that a few more times and you have SSJ2 Goku, now multiply that a few more times and you have SSJ3 Goku.

I stopped arguing here because the Superman supporters call us "fanboys" when all they can do is have ridiculous feat wars and refused to answer any of my real questions because I turned they're feat wars back on them and said; here is information that is not a feat and is evidence, now prove to me that Superman can withstand it with a feat. So far nothing. See the beauty of a feat war arguments that they always require extrapolation, hearsay and guessing that proves nothing. Its not logically sound to say Superman> Black hole>Kamehameha wave. Because there is nothing to prove that Superman wouldn't be hurt by that kind of energy attack. It proves he can survive a black hole and thats it. Anything else is just hyperbole.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
and as I said, Goku's Powerlevel at the end of the Frieza saga is 15 million. It takes a power of roughly 20 thousand to destroy a moderately sized planet. This is all Akira Toriyama supported and cannot be argued.

Now there's something I seriously doubt. Well, give a source where Toriyama said that please.

I heard someone state that Akira Toriyama in an interview said a power level of 50,000 is equivalent to a 100 megaton bomb. Don't know if that's true.

If you use math to determine what they're power levels are capable of, then it would take a power level of 12,000 to destroy a planet, since Master Roshi destroyed the moon at 150. Isn't it supposed to be 20,000? Crunching numbers really isn't good for DBZ power levels. It's actually better for point A to point B stuff.

Anomaly, you're questions were answered. A double black hole and a supernova will destroy the earth 833 times. Black holes destroy suns (which are millions of times larger than earth) and supernova's will fry anything within range. Put 1 million earth's around a supernova and all are fried. Superman has survived both. He absorbed the mageddon warhead, capable of destroying half a galaxy. That's what scans are for.

Originally posted by olympian
"Oh and Buu destroyed Earth with a charged up blasts"

Oly- He wasent powering up. And he still did it with a single blast. Thats power baby.

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"which Goku didn't get hit by"

Oly- He was hit by blasts of that kind in other times he encountered Buu. Including blasts meant to kill him.

a single blast powerful enough to blast Earth aka non charged up > Blasts with the intent to kill aka charged up.

More simple, eh?

How about an example of the manga where a single blast was stated to have that effect, and Buu isent charging up?

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/738/buu0dy.gif

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/1918/buu11wh.gif

How about Goku taking those blasts at close range?

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2971/buu25ww.gif

Oh my.

There was also blasts that Kid Buu threw that didn't destroy the planet.

Oh my (and during that fight Goku only took one direct, he avoided the rest). 😕 Fat Buu also threw a Kamehameha wave, that did nothing but make a city explosion (not destroy the planet).

And again Freeza used the Death Ball technique to destroy planets (which sinks into the planet, blows up, cause the planet to crack, destroying it!)

Originally posted by olympian

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/738/buu0dy.gif

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/1918/buu11wh.gif

How about Goku taking those blasts at close range?

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2971/buu25ww.gif

That attack Buu threw before being blocked by Goku and Vegeta would only destroy the planet if it drilled through. It exploded on the surface and the planet was fine. Technically, that attack was not planet destroying. The second one Buu threw was.

"Oh my (and during that fight Goku only took one direct, he avoided the rest). Fat Buu also threw a Kamehameha wave, that did nothing but make a city explosion (not destroy the planet)."

Oly- Fat Buu was the weakest form. Not to mention (again) he had the -porpuse- of not destroying the Earth. Just the cities so that Goku would show up and figth. Wich it happened.

Why dont you just read the whole thing ❌ . Plot details are there for that.

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"And again Freeza used the Death Ball technique to destroy planets (which sinks into the planet, blows up, cause the planet to crack, destroying it!) "

Oly- What i said its clear. Your not refutting anything. He destroyed two planets. The first istantly, when it hit the planet and the other taking time for a porpuse. Read the manga. If you can read Superman comics you can also read this.

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"That attack Buu threw before being blocked by Goku and Vegeta would only destroy the planet if it drilled through"

Oly- My point its merely that was to destroy Earth. And that he did it rather casually. The fact that theyr blast managed to "block" it doesnt diminuish anything, other than the fact they also have the raw power/ki to do the same and to cancel opponents moves of the same nature. They have been doing that since nearly the beginning. Altho obviously on a lower level.

"Oly- Fat Buu was the weakest form. Not to mention (again) he had the -porpuse- of not destroying the Earth. Just the cities so that Goku would show up and figth. Wich it happened.

Why dont you just read the whole thing . Plot details are there for that."

Fat Buu threw that blast with the intentions of killing ssj3 Goku (both were equal in power also). And it was never stated that Kid Buu was stronger than Fat Buu, only the most ruthless, which made him a much bigger threat.

As you can see, the planet isn't destroyed.

"Oly- What i said its clear. Your not refutting anything. He destroyed two planets. The first istantly, when it hit the planet and the other taking time for a porpuse. Read the manga. If you can read Superman comics you can also read this."

I read the manga, and again Freeza used the Death Ball technique to destroy planets (which sinks into the planet, blows up, cause the planet to crack, destroying it!)🙂

Originally posted by Femi32
That attack Buu threw before being blocked by Goku and Vegeta would only destroy the planet if it drilled through. It exploded on the surface and the planet was fine. Technically, that attack was not planet destroying. The second one Buu threw was.

I Agree!

Originally posted by olympian

"That attack Buu threw before being blocked by Goku and Vegeta would only destroy the planet if it drilled through"

Oly- My point its merely that was to destroy Earth. And that he did it rather casually. The fact that theyr blast managed to "block" it doesnt diminuish anything, other than the fact they also have the raw power/ki to do the same and to cancel opponents moves of the same nature. They have been doing that since nearly the beginning. Altho obviously on a lower level. [/B]

Well, yes, it's point was to destroy earth. However, Buu's first attack didn't go through the planet. Without hitting the core of the planet, Kid Buu's 1st attack is no more than a nuclear bomb, as shown in the scan.

Green Lanterns are capable of destroying planets, too. However, they, just like the DBZ people do not shoot true planet destroying beams (Beams that would destroy the planet on contact, not needing to hit the core of the planet) all the time.

Here's Superman with 6 particle beams on him. Each one hammers matter into molecules and can mess up a city. The beams may not be ki, but it's still destructive enough to turn anything it touches into molecules.