Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
You cant "GO" with anything. kili's have nothing to be compared with to make an accurate assumption about anything.The power levels I listed came from either the Daizenshyus (The Dragon Ball encyclopedia which was written/ signed off by Toriyama) and/ or the Manga itself. This means that all the power levels are fact, not opinions or guesses because they came from Toriyama himself.
The powerlevels ONLY go to the end of the Frieza saga, which is why I only went to the end of the Frieza saga. After that Toriyama never (and wont for whatever reasons) mentioned/ will tell people what the powerlevels are after that saga. You'll notice while going to various sites for DBZ that pretty well all the powerlevels up until Frieza are the same. After it though they're different from site to site, because of opinion since there are none after Frieza. never the less those are the official powerlevels.
So what's the powerlevel to destroy a planet?
Originally posted by Darth Macabre
He won't give them out for this reason. The whole Goku vs Superman thing. He wanted Goku to act, and be like Superman through and through. In all honesty, I think Superman and Goku are completely even. Goku is the Superman of the East.DB was a story based around the tales of eastern civilization. And DBZ was a story based around the comics of the western civilization.
Well pre crisis isn't even with anybody while post crisis my opinion is goku would win but still there are so many versions of superman and I don't think goku can beat all of them only a certain amount of them so technically superman is stronger because pre crisis is superman...
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
What other ways can a planet be destroyed without drilling cores and also how many earth's can goku destroy by drilling into it's core at a power level of 15 million?
Well, Cell could destroy the planet by self-destructing on it. Then, you can have PC Superman burn it with heat vision or throw it to the sun or you can have post crisis Superman split it in half by flying into it.
Like I said before, there is no definitive way to know how many planets they can destroy before they run out of energy. PL to destroy stuff were assigned randomly and don't follow a fixed rate. All you can do is guess, really.
Originally posted by olympianOly-The amusing part its that you are arguing beings who have destroyed planets out of theyr existence. I know you would wish Superman could do the same but hes just outclassed.
The Freeza/Goku fight in Namek when only in the physicall plane was doing more damage to that planet than Superman does when figthing its opponents.
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The only thing the DBZ warriors outclass Superman in is firepower. As far as strength, speed, and durability, Superman is above them, until proven. Being a blur for 11 years on your show isn't going to prove anything.
As far as collateral damage, Superman holds back. He has already destroyed Saturn's moon and stated he can split the moon in one punch. Imagine what that will do to the earth.
Originally posted by Femi32And like I said it depends on which version.
The only thing the DBZ warriors outclass Superman in is firepower. As far as strength, speed, and durability, Superman is above them, until proven. Being a blur for 11 years on your show isn't going to prove anything.As far as collateral damage, Superman holds back. He has already destroyed Saturn's moon and stated he can split the moon in one punch. Imagine what that will do to the earth.
Originally posted by Femi32
Well, Cell could destroy the planet by self-destructing on it. Then, you can have PC Superman burn it with heat vision or throw it to the sun or you can have post crisis Superman split it in half by flying into it.Like I said before, there is no definitive way to know how many planets they can destroy before they run out of energy. PL to destroy stuff were assigned randomly and don't follow a fixed rate. All you can do is guess, really.
15,000,000 divided into 18,000 is 833.33.... planets at max...by drilling it's core though you say there powerlevels don't follow a fixed rate but I guess it's around hundreds of planets not 10-13...
Originally posted by GODOFALL1
Even if Goku and Superman were equal(which is absurd) how the hell could Superman ever hit him. HE CAN'T FIGHT, NO MARTIAL ARTS, NO TRAINING HIS WHOLE LIFE!
Superman has fought an army under a red sun at 40 times the earth's gravity and fought with Wonder Woman for 1000 years. Plus, he knows several styles of MA and has recieved training from the best in the DCU. He may not have trained as hard as Goku, but he's skilled enough to hold his own, especially when he has more fighting experience.
What the hell is so hard to understand? If you take two people of equal strength, and one of them has spent his ENTIRE life training and fighting, while the other has enough trouble juggling his secret identity, has had no REAL training, especially with the greatest warriors in the universe and put them in the same room together....the martial artists wins.....HANDS DOWN!
Goku spent his whole life training and can't lift 40 tons at his base power level. Before Superman died 14 years ago, his max was 800,000 tons. Fast forward 14 years later and Superman can crack a moon in half with one punch. He's still stronger than Goku, despite the fact that he doesn't train as much. He's also proven to be able to move 99% light speed on earth, faster than light in space, survives double black holes and supernovas, etc. If Superman wanted to get stronger, all he needs to do is hibernate in the sun. No training necessary.
Get over it Superman fans. Superman can't do a spinning wheel kick...and don't say OH, he doesn't need to. BULLSH#T!! The best fighters in the world, right now!!! are martial artists.
Spinning kick? What? This isn't proving anything.
Also, Goku is WAYYYYYYYYYY faster...come on, instant transmission. Superman also has a cape...WEAK!!! How much of a burden is that in a fight? Exactly. He's got alllllll these cool powers, but speed, power, cunning, experience, TRAINING, MARTIAL ARTS....THIS IS WHAT MAKES A GREAT FIGHTER!
Goku is faster with IT, but he has to lock onto a Ki source before he can use it. Notice how he is not IT fighting the whole time he is against Buu. He only uses the IT against Buu twice. It's not just a teleporting move that Goku can just turn on. He has to concentrate to use it. And Goku has never proven to be faster than Superman. Superman can fly to the sun and back in under a minute.
Oh, and as far as the idiots saying Buu didn't destroy plenets.....what? Uhhhh...yea he did. He destroyed entire solar systems, threatened the entire universe. He was only contained by the Kai's, never destroyed. Also Kid Buu is the strongest most powerful Buu. That was his original form, his strongest form. And he would wipe his ass with Superman, then turn him into chocolate and absorb him.
If Buu turned Superman into chocolate, chocolate Supes would turn right back into Superman using his will power. He was turned to stone by a magician and he willed himself back. So much for that option with Buu. And unlike Goku, Superman won't be running out of energy like SSJ3 Goku does.
Someone else also talked about GT and Goku absorbing the dragonballs.....that's just beyond COMPREHENSION. That particular Goku at that time would kill 1000 Superman's. It's just power too RADICAL to understand. I mean lets give Superman some hope.
DBGT is not cannon. Dragon god Goku never displayed the power your talking about. He didn't even do anything. He, just like Superman Prime, have unknown power levels.
SUPERMAN WOULD GET DECIMATED BY GOKU! As a matter of fact, you know what? I think Goku would destroy every single DC character at the same time, if he really wanted to. They're ALL WEAK!
Actually, all top tier DC characters are stronger than Goku. Goku's best strength feat is pushing a mountain as a SSJ2. Nothing Superman, Biazarro, WW, Orion, and Darkseid couldn't do.
It seems you don't know anything about DC at all. If you are going by Justice League Unlimited (cartoon show), you truly know nothing about Superman or the DC Universe. There are a whole bunch of characters in DC alone that can give Goku a run for his money and even more in Marvel that will kill him 1,000 times. There's Lucifer, Michael, Phoenix Force, Spectre, Living Tribunal, Galactus, Tyrant, Imperiex, Darkseid, Thanos, Odin, Zeus, etc.
Do some research and find out about other characters for a change.
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
15,000,000 divided into 18,000 is 833.33.... planets at max...by drilling it's core though you say there powerlevels don't follow a fixed rate but I guess it's around hundreds of planets not 10-13...
Drilling into the core is not true planet busting power. Kid Buu was about to throw an attack that would drill into the planet, but Goku and Vegeta blocked it. It exploded on the surface and didn't harm the planet.
Originally posted by Femi32
Drilling into the core is not true planet busting power. Kid Buu was about to throw an attack that would drill into the planet, but Goku and Vegeta blocked it. It exploded on the surface and didn't harm the planet.
They blocked because they were at the right PL If they were at PL 15 million they would have been killed and it may not be the true way but it works.
"Superman has fought an army under a red sun at 40 times the earth's gravity and fought with Wonder Woman for 1000 years. Plus, he knows several styles of MA and has recieved training from the best in the DCU. He may not have trained as hard as Goku, but he's skilled enough to hold his own, especially when he has more fighting experience."
Goku trained under 100 times earth's gravity?!
"Goku spent his whole life training and can't lift 40 tons at his base power level. Before Superman died 14 years ago, his max was 800,000 tons. Fast forward 14 years later and Superman can crack a moon in half with one punch. He's still stronger than Goku, despite the fact that he doesn't train as much. He's also proven to be able to move 99% light speed on earth, faster than light in space, survives double black holes and supernovas, etc. If Superman wanted to get stronger, all he needs to do is hibernate in the sun. No training necessary."
A super nova knocked him out for days he have survived it but that force is close to his limit
"Spinning kick? What? This isn't proving anything."
Agreed
"Goku is faster with IT, but he has to lock onto a Ki source before he can use it. Notice how he is not IT fighting the whole time he is against Buu. He only uses the IT against Buu twice. It's not just a teleporting move that Goku can just turn on. He has to concentrate to use it. And Goku has never proven to be faster than Superman. Superman can fly to the sun and back in under a minute."
Warp kamehameha proves he doesn't need to concentrate that hard.
"If Buu turned Superman into chocolate, chocolate Supes would turn right back into Superman using his will power. He was turned to stone by a magician and he willed himself back. So much for that option with Buu. And unlike Goku, Superman won't be running out of energy like SSJ3 Goku does."
His power is so dependent on the sun anyone who can drain energy like oh...android 19 and 20
can kill him I've stated before how dependent he is on it
"Oly- No. He was helding its own. Figthing evenly its when it can go both ways at any time.
Goku didnt had the advantage against Kid Buu in any part of the fight. Kid Buu went as far as mocking every single one he faced. He was more powerful, stronger and more durable. "
What?! SSJ3 was fighting evenly with Kid Buu, it was because of the transformation that he couldn't continue, that's why he ask Vegeta to hold him off for a minute.
"SSJ3 Goku was fighting evenly with Kid Buu, he just lost energy way to fast."
Oly- No. He was helding its own. Figthing evenly its when it can go both ways at any time.
Goku didnt had the advantage against Kid Buu in any part of the fight. Kid Buu went as far as mocking every single one he faced. He was more powerful, stronger and more durable.
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"Which proves my point that they have to charge up there blasts to destroy planets and that ssj3 Goku has never been hit with a planet destroying blasts"
Oly- Except the scan you provided shows Goku taking an Earth shaking blast.
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"Kid Buu had to charge up the second blasts, and he didn't blow up the planet during his fight with Goku with a simple "KI" blast either "
"Oly- In the fight against both he didnt charged. I should know. I provided the scans. The attack was without effort. The amusing part its that you are arguing beings who have destroyed planets out of theyr existence. "
I've also provided scans that say's different, Kid Buu had to charge up the second blasts, and he didn't blow up the planet during his fight with Goku with a simple "KI" blast either.
"The Freeza/Goku fight in Namek when only in the physicall plane was doing more damage to that planet than Superman does when figthing its opponents. "
The planet getting ready to blow up, remeber, Freeza used a blasts that was heading towards the core in 5 minutes.
Oh, and Superman isn't going to damage the planet, only his opponent face!🙂
"Except the scan i provided shows Goku taking an Earth shaking blast."
No it doesn't.😕
Yes, Frieza could have easily destroyed Namek. The powerlevels show it. Why are you guys arguing about it? 🤨
He didn't cause he wanted to put as little power into the attack so as to not risk himself being hurt (even though he can easily survive a planet explosion). He held back, he just held back too much, and didn't destroy the planet outright. He wanted too, he just held back too much is all.
"What?! SSJ3 was fighting evenly with Kid Buu, it was because of the transformation that he couldn't continue, that's why he ask Vegeta to hold him off for a minute."
Oly- And before that? What happened? Was he getting any advantage or getting trounced.
Even after when he gets back to the fight in his most powerful form, what happened? He got trounced again. Thats helding your own.
-Everyone- Kid Buu fought got trounced. Vegeta didnt equaled him, he was humiliated, Goku didnt equaled him, he always had the disavantage and Fat Buu didnt do anything either, other than buy time.
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"I've also provided scans that say's different, Kid Buu had to charge up the second blasts, and he didn't blow up the planet during his fight with Goku with a simple "KI" blast either."
Oly- Maybe because unlike the scan i posted the whole reason wasent blowing the planet but only figthing Goku? ❌
And yes. Kid Buu did blew up Earth with a single attack. Rofml.
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"The planet getting ready to blow up, remeber, Freeza used a blasts that was heading towards the core in 5 minutes."
Oly- And before that, they werent making Namek shake with theyr figth, making vulcanos wake, destroying every place and structure they end up going either?
And you said you had read it.
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"No it doesn't"
Oly- Read the manga. Its simple.
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"Ok, Dvamp, and Oly, you're arguing about Frieza destroying Namek. The reason it didn't blow up right away is due to the fact he didn't put enough energy into it. It's not because he wanted to fight Goku, nor because he couldn't, just that he didn't. "
Oly- Not quite. He did wanted to finish up Goku by its own hands, and he knew his opponent wouldnt survive in space while he would.
Now obvioulsy if the porpuse was to delay the planet`s explosion, he just used the necessary energy to do it. No less, no more.
"Goku spent his whole life training and can't lift 40 tons at his base power level. Before Superman died 14 years ago, his max was 800,000 tons"
Oly- Goku while physically weaker isent far behind. He didnt just pushed a mountain. He was buried with it and pull it apart in two.
And Superman doesnt lift more than the rest of top tier.