Originally posted by Darth Macabre
As much as I love Bruce Timm, he goes against comics cannon. So The animated series shouldn't be brought in.
I know. Superman in the DC animated universe is so weak. Goku would destroy animated Superman with a PL of 24,000. Against the comic Superman, Goku won't find it easy at all.
Besides, Avalon just posted a scan of Superman blocking energy. He can also do the same with heat vision.
Thought I'd add some more stuff about math.
If I use math to determine what Goku with a PL of 10 is capable of, it would take a PL of 73.47673 * 10^22 to destroy the moon. SSJ4 Goku doesn't even have an estimated power level close to that.
example #1
PL 10 = 1 ton car destroyed.
Moon = 7.347673 * 10^22 tons
7.347673 * 10^22 tons divided by 1 ton= 7.347673 * 10^22 cars equal to the moon's weight.
7.347673 * 10^22 cars x PL 10= PL 73.47673 * 10^22 to destroy the moon.
You actually need a PL of 150 to destroy the moon. There goes math on power levels.
Another example
PL 150 = Moon destroyed (7.347673 * 10^22 tons)
Earth = 5.9736 * 10^24 tons
5.9736 * 10^24 tons (Earh's mass) divided by 7.347673 * 10^22 tons (Moon's mass) = about 82 moons equal to the Earth's weight.
82 moons x PL 150 = 12,300 to destroy earth.
I thought it was 18,000. Even then, Frieza (PL 530,000) and anyone above him are the only ones that can destroy the planet with a finger. There goes math on that one, too.
And if anyone is going to mention Vegeta destroying Arlia, then it doesn't count because it was filler. Filler, wheter it is consistent with the story or not is not cannon.
Originally posted by Femi32
Since it's been proven that Superman has survived forces great enough to destroy a planet several times, it's time to prove that for Goku, with scans or episode references.Oh yeah, Radditz was not faster than light. That was narrative hyperbole from the Pioneer/Funimation dub. You can't take everything they say in the American dub of DBZ as fact because Pioneer/Funimation screwed up the scripts. In the Pioneer dub, Vegeta said Bardock was a scientist and Goku concluded that Vegeta killed Granpa Gohan. The Pioneer/Funimation dub also said Snake Way was 10,000 miles long when it's actually 600,000 miles long. Obviously, those examples are too false to be true.
Where does it show superman surviving a force that can destroy close to 850 times over 😕
Originally posted by P-Geyser
I said this on the Suerman vs Goku thread and I will say it here. Personally I can't stand DBZ. These f**kers are made to powerful and it seems they dont have limit's. Everytime I hear when Goku fights, he gets stronger after each battle...till what he becomes a f**king god?I like the fact that Superhero's and yes fighter's in other games have limit's...Superman can lose there is no denying that but I cant stand how DBZ characters are constantly talked about like there above all. Especially with my freinds when we will debate that what if this character vs that character and then some comes in and says "well Goku and DBZ would destroy them all"
Ridiculous.
You say DBZ characters are made too powerful yet superman million can punch 80,000 years into the future and that's not ridicules 😕
"Fat Buu threw that blast with the intentions of killing ssj3 Goku (both were equal in power also). And it was never stated that Kid Buu was stronger than Fat Buu, only the most ruthless, which made him a much bigger threat. As you can see, the planet isn't destroyed."
Oly- There is a difference in power between the Buu`s.
Follow me:
How many figths Fat Buu had with other of the Buu versions? Two. What was the result? He got his arse kicked in both. One against the skinny Buu where he got transformed in chocolate and another in the end against Kid Buu.
That blast you showed wasent with the intent of destroying Earth. You posted yourself, it was to figth Goku. And -yet- what do we get from the last panel? Earth shaking moment. Thanks for making my point.
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"I read the manga, and again Freeza used the Death Ball technique to destroy planets (which sinks into the planet, blows up, cause the planet to crack, destroying it!)"
Oly- Why are you saying exactly what i just said? He can do both. He did both. Period. And we know why he used the tactic to sink a Death Ball to the core of Nameks planet so it wouldnt blow instantly. Its part of the story. Period.
What more its to be said? Its more power than Supes packs anyway.
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"Well, yes, it's point was to destroy earth. However, Buu's first attack didn't go through the planet. Without hitting the core of the planet, Kid Buu's 1st attack is no more than a nuclear bomb, as shown in the scan."
Oly- Its not revelant if it hit the Earth or not. The one revelant thing its to know that was the porpuse behind that blast, and its enough to gauge the power. We also know its not hyperbole because Kid Buu, that same Buu who is in those scans actually pull that off. And without effort.
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"Green Lanterns are capable of destroying planets, too. However, they, just like the DBZ people do not shoot true planet destroying beams (Beams that would destroy the planet on contact, not needing to hit the core of the planet) all the time"
Thats the hypocratic aspect of all this, manga or superhero comics. IF all this was *realistic* then alot of figths that happen on Earth would be enough to start a chain destroying reaction or *just* blow it.
Thats the only part that isent realistic, for the simple reason we cant have Earth being destroyed everythime a fight should happen, otherwise we wouldnt have a place for those to happen in the first place.
See it like this. A pissed off Supes was stated to be able to crack a moon in half with a single punch. How many figths happened on Earth when he was pissed. On how many did the Earth had any effect whatsoever?
Suspend your belif. Its enough to know that they -can- do it and in some cases more flagrant like DBZ, or Green Lanterns that they -have- done it.
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Where does it show superman surviving a force that can destroy close to 850 times over 😕
There's no proof that DBZ characters can destroy the world 850 times over. I did my own math too. If you look at my post, you'll see that power levels don't work at a fixed rate. Therefore, using math to determine if they can blow up the planet several times is inaccurate.
If I use math to determine what Goku with a PL of 10 is capable of, it would take a PL of 73.47673 * 10^22 to destroy the moon. SSJ4 Goku doesn't even have an estimated power level close to that.
example #1
PL 10 = 1 ton car destroyed.
Moon = 7.347673 * 10^22 tons
7.347673 * 10^22 tons divided by 1 ton= 7.347673 * 10^22 cars equal to the moon's weight.
7.347673 * 10^22 cars x PL 10= PL 73.47673 * 10^22 to destroy the moon.
You actually need a PL of 150 to destroy the moon. There goes math on power levels.
Another example
PL 150 = Moon destroyed (7.347673 * 10^22 tons)
Earth = 5.9736 * 10^24 tons
5.9736 * 10^24 tons (Earh's mass) divided by 7.347673 * 10^22 tons (Moon's mass) = about 82 moons equal to the Earth's weight.
82 moons x PL 150 = 12,300 to destroy earth.
I thought it was 18,000. Even then, Frieza (PL 530,000) and anyone above him are the only ones that can destroy the planet with a finger. There goes math on that one, too.
And if anyone is going to mention Vegeta destroying Arlia, then it doesn't count because it was filler. Filler, wheter it is consistent with the story or not is not cannon.
"How many figths Fat Buu had with other of the Buu versions? Two. What was the result? He got his arse kicked in both. One against the skinny Buu where he got transformed in chocolate and another in the end against Kid Buu."
Fat Buu also stalmated ssj3 Goku, who stated himself that he wasn't sure that he could beat Fat Buu. And don't forget that SSJ3 Goku also got his but kicked by Kid Buu, after putting up a decent fight.
"That blast you showed wasent with the intent of destroying Earth. You posted yourself, it was to figth Goku. And -yet- what do we get from the last panel? Earth shaking moment. Thanks for making my point."
It was with the intent of killing ssj3 Goku though, and what do we get from that blast, a city nuking destruction, not planet destroying.
"Oly- Why are you saying exactly what i just said? He can do both. He did both. Period. And we know why he used the tactic to sink a Death Ball to the core of Nameks planet so it wouldnt blow instantly. Its part of the story. Period."
I read the manga, and again Freeza used the Death Ball technique to destroy planets (which sinks into the planet, blows up, cause the planet to crack, destroying it!) period.🙂
Originally posted by MattDay
Supes is supes, don't insult his character with dog ball shite (DBZ) It's a cartoon, so its for kids, cartoons! shows that the fans of the show are hermits hiding from the real world and arguing on here is the only way to get one back on people actually living. get a life DBZ dicks!
Its a cartoon, yes. But its ONLY for kids in North America. It was dumbed down for us in NA. In the Japanese versions they swore and bled and did a whole bunch of other stuff. In Japan, anime isn't just for kids, they have a different outlook on animation then we do. They have animation that is made for preschoolers and anime that is made for 18+ adults in Japan.
And hey, comics are for kids too, arnt they? common man...don't be an idiot.
In Japan DBZ was meant for 16+ people....not kids
True, not being an idiot, i do have one manga film, with blood swearing an all, but still looking at DBZ for adults it still seems for kids, i think it isnt as nutty as the other japanese anime out there. so i intentionally refer to it as a kids program, i think most kids here in england watch 18+ films without flinching to whats going on, and even they hate things like pokemon now, lol they say it too childish, and my nephew loves watching the "adult" DBZ, gets on my **** when he comes round talking about it all the time, so i just get out the PS2 for him. anyway off the point but do you see why i cant take it as an "adult" product. it isnt shown to be in that way in my area.
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Its a cartoon, yes. But its ONLY for kids in North America. It was dumbed down for us in NA. In the Japanese versions they swore and bled and did a whole bunch of other stuff. In Japan, anime isn't just for kids, they have a different outlook on animation then we do. They have animation that is made for preschoolers and anime that is made for 18+ adults in Japan.And hey, comics are for kids too, arnt they? common man...don't be an idiot.
In Japan DBZ was meant for 16+ people....not kids
This is true. DBZ was horribly dumbed down in North America. I was glad when Funimation decided to air the uncut episodes. Right now, all I see are the Pioneer/old Funimation dubs, which is disappointing.
"Fat Buu also stalmated ssj3 Goku, who stated himself that he wasn't sure that he could beat Fat Buu. And don't forget that SSJ3 Goku also got his but kicked by Kid Buu, after putting up a decent fight."
Oly- Goku has nothing to do with this equation. What i said chump, was that fat Buu by the figths he had with other two versions its the weakest Buu form. He lost both.
You seem to have a reading problem.
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"It was with the intent of killing ssj3 Goku though, and what do we get from that blast, a city nuking destruction, not planet destroying"
Oly- And i said :
That blast you showed wasent with the intent of destroying Earth. You posted yourself, it was to figth Goku. And -yet- what do we get from the last panel? -Earth shaking momen-t. Thanks for making my point.
r. e. a d.
You always seem get back to the start because you cant refute anything.
About Freeza, that was all mentioned already. Have something else?
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"Supes is supes, dont insult his character with dog ball shite (DBZ) It's a cartoon, so its for kids, cartoons"
Oly- JLU, Superman animated and the old Fleischer cartoons are what exactly?
Though so 🪩
