GOKU and SUPERMAN

Originally posted by TruthHurts
I just want to say I consider any body who actually thinks supermans weak ass can actually beat Goku, must be drunk or something. Even if Superman could beat goku (which he can't), he obly dosn't even have the balls to take goku out. Goku dosen't even have to go super saiyan to beat superman up, and if he really was as a threat as ya'll superman ass kisers think Goku could go super saiyan 4 any day of the week, and that shits as good as done.

So you have no proof besides insults and opinion? So far it's been clearly shown that Supes is above Gokus class withou even going for a sundip.

Stop wasting our time, If you have any actual proof, enlighten us.

Above Gokus class in what exactly? Strenght?

He doesnt have the figthing speed on his level. Not even close.

He doesnt have the figthing abilities in the first place. Not even close.

He is less versatible.

He doesnt pack the raw power.

How would someone even think that just because hes stronger, he would be -above- his class?

"Another example of Supes "holding back" energy with his hand"

Oly- thats not holding the energy. Its deflecting the core of the solid blast with his body.

A blast how powerful btw?

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"Planet go boom. Supes just fine."

Oly- He should be. He got out of there in time so he wouldnt get caught in the force of the explosion.

Goku wins the majority. Its obvious for everyone he needs to go to super sayan levels. Even the humans in DBZ are well above the *normal* sayan level.

And while Superman wins a few he doesnt pack enough power, combat speed and versability to take more figths than losing. As a comic comparation its like going against Surfer.

More raw power, more speed, alot more versability but less strenght.

Originally posted by olympian
Above Gokus class in what exactly? Strenght?

He doesnt have the figthing speed on his level. Not even close.

He doesnt have the figthing abilities in the first place. Not even close.

He is less versatible.

He doesnt pack the raw power.

How would someone even think that just because hes stronger, he would be -above- his class?

1. Superman is stonger

2. Superman is faster, in both flight and fighting/reflexive speeds

3. Superman has been trained by DCs best like WW, Batman, Mongul II, and knows his own race MA; plus he has a 1000 years of battle experince

4. Superman doesn't have to be that versatile, anyone of his moves can easily give him a victory over ssj3 Goku

5. Superman packs way more raw power than ssj3 Goku

6. Superman has far more stamina than ssj3 Goku

Superman wins! 🙂

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
So you have no proof besides insults and opinion? So far it's been clearly shown that Supes is above Gokus class withou even going for a sundip.

Stop wasting our time, If you have any actual proof, enlighten us.

Agreed! 🙂

"1. Superman is stonger"

Oly- Yes. Thats his only definite advantage.

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"2. Superman is faster, in both flight and fighting/reflexive speeds"

Oly- No. Definatly not in combat speed. Out of your own interpretation there is -no faster than light k.o.m.b.a.t feat- of his. And neither close.

And before you post it again. WW. Falling. To. Earth. Its. Not. F. T. L. Combat - speed. Because if it is, both Hulk and Adam Warlock can claim the same.

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"3. Superman has been trained by DCs best like WW, Batman, Mongul II, and knows his own race MA; plus he has a 1000 years of battle experince "

Oly- Superman knows moves, but hes not uber skilled. Unless you want to provide proof. He hasent come close to the skill these guys used.

Hes not more skilled or even equal to Batman/Shiva/Dragon/Connor.

Neither equal or more skilled of the uber bricks such as Orion/WW/Thor/Herc.

And when was he trained by WW and Batman in MA?

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"4. Superman doesn't have to be that versatile, anyone of his moves can easily give him a victory over ssj3 Goku"

Oly- Translation: Hes not versatible enough, neither powerful enough, neither skilled, and i cant back up another way for him to have a chance to win, other than saying hes stronger.

*Easily*? Crack is high today.

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"5. Superman packs way more raw power than ssj3 Goku"

Oly- False. Superman its not a planet buster. Surfer and Goku are. Banzai.

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"6. Superman has far more stamina than ssj3 Goku"

Oly- *far*? Also false. Goku has extended figths with superfast planet busting opponents.

Originally posted by olympian
Above Gokus class in what exactly? Strenght?

He doesnt have the figthing speed on his level. Not even close.

He doesnt have the figthing abilities in the first place. Not even close.

He is less versatible.

He doesnt pack the raw power.

How would someone even think that just because hes stronger, he would be -above- his class?

What are you talking about? Goku is a better trained MA. That of course I will admit.

Fighting speed still goes to Supes who is far, far faster.

How exactly is Goku more versatile? Supes can freeze, melt, see molecular structrue, hear things miles away, fly, live in space, see souls, has borderline reality control (torquasm vo) is far stronger, also use fighting techniques, go invisible, go intangible, stop beams, shoot beams..etc etc.

Above his class. Simple as that...whether you like it or not. Stronger, Faster, Smarter, far more indestructable, and has fought much tougher enemies unless you think Goku can handle things like Eradicator, Asmodel, Dominus, Mageddon, and Darkseid.

How would someone think otherwise unless they just didn't like Supes. 😉

Originally posted by olympian
"Another example of Supes "holding back" energy with his hand"

Oly- thats not holding the energy. Its deflecting the core of the solid blast with his body.

A blast how powerful btw?

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"Planet go boom. Supes just fine."

Oly- He should be. He got out of there in time so he wouldnt get caught in the force of the explosion.

Goku wins the majority. Its obvious for everyone he needs to go to super sayan levels. Even the humans in DBZ are well above the *normal* sayan level.

And while Superman wins a few he doesnt pack enough power, combat speed and versability to take more figths than losing. As a comic comparation its like going against Surfer.

More raw power, more speed, alot more versability but less strenght.

Are you ever going to learn how to quote? I'll keep it simple.
What is hard to see.... he stuck his hand out, energy no go past.

Planet go boom. Supes caught in blast and propelled into space.
But we know even being next to a planet that blows up wouldn't do any damage.. 🙄

Goku no breathe in space. Same blast make Goku go bye bye anyway.

Humans in DBZ, great. So if we put Batman in the DBZ universe, he'd be unstoppable.

By the way, if you can't figure out how to quote after this, don't waste both of our time.

"What is hard to see.... he stuck his hand out, energy no go past."

Oly- He didnt grabbed anything. No need no make things up. He used his body to deflect it. Goku did the same against Picollo in the 23rd tournment, so?

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"But we know even being next to a planet that blows up wouldn't do any damage.. "

Oly-Not when you sell it out like he survived the planet`s explosion itself.

Guess what. He didnt. He got out of there. For a reason, my good man.

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"Humans in DBZ, great. So if we put Batman in the DBZ universe, he'd be unstoppable"

Oly- Humans as Tien, Yamucha, Chauzou and Kurilin. Dont try to be naíve man.

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"By the way, if you can't figure out how to quote after this, don't waste both of our time"

Oly- Are you going to cry? Because if the whole point of your refutting its the quotes, id stop by now. You obviously dont have much problems reading what i type, giving that you just did that 😖hifty:

Have a good affternoon chump. Courtsey of Oly sleep1

Goku can beat superman and Superman can beat goku.

Goku gets powerful after every battle but superman is just that power

Goku is faster than superman in fight battle. In the frieza saga where the GINNU force attacked goku we saw goku just standing there and non of the blast touch him. But when vegita looked at the ground he saw foot steps. Meaning goku was moving, moving so quick no one could see him move out of the way of those blast.

Superman is stronger but Goku is faster. That is their trade off.

Goku is not strong physically when it comes to superman, what gives him an edge and the both of seem to agree is his training.

Because of this training goku has a variety of attacks he could use on superman like solar flare which temporally blinds your opponent.

Originally posted by olympian
"What is hard to see.... he stuck his hand out, energy no go past."

Oly- He didnt grabbed anything. No need no make things up. He used his body to deflect it. Goku did the same against Picollo in the 23rd tournment, so?

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"But we know even being next to a planet that blows up wouldn't do any damage.. "

Oly-Not when you sell it out like he survived the planet`s explosion itself.

Guess what. He didnt. He got out of there. For a reason, my good man.

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"Humans in DBZ, great. So if we put Batman in the DBZ universe, he'd be unstoppable"

Oly- Humans as Tien, Yamucha, Chauzou and Kurilin. Dont try to be naíve man.

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"By the way, if you can't figure out how to quote after this, don't waste both of our time"

Oly- Are you going to cry? Because if the whole point of your refutting its the quotes, id stop by now. You obviously dont have much problems reading what i type, giving that you just did that 😖hifty:

Have a good affternoon chump. Courtsey of Oly sleep1

Of course I read what you type "chump..." 🙄 It's just annoying to sort through your crap.

😆 Keep making stuff up. I see you like to argue for arguments sake...even when you're wrong. I see you conviniently left out my comment about Supes enemies, since Goku would have been curbstomped by them.

If you have proof of Goku in any way being stronger than Supes, put up...or simply shut up. 😉

"Of course I read what you type "chump..." It's just annoying to sort through your crap."

Oly- Guess what. Its more annoying you trying to get the topic off hand because of it. I quote anyway i like, as long the whole thing its there and readable. Since it is, cry me a river.

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"Keep making stuff up"

Oly- On the contrary, Mr "he just survived fine a planets explosion".

Anyone can see you made things up. Its that or you just mistake deflecting wich happened in the page in question with *grabbing*, wich is something else all together.

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"I see you conviniently left out my comment about Supes enemies,"

Oly- Your strectching comments? I rather *look* at the pages. He has uber opponents and so does Goku.

After all, how many times ive seen comments that he figths faster than light, hes uber skilled, and that he even held an actual black hole, when none are fact, neither correct.

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"since Goku would have been curbstomped by them."

Oly- Your opinion. Id put the same statement on Supermans side against the even uber guns higher than Freeza.

But that would just be my opinion, right? 👿

Originally posted by olympian
Guess what. Its more annoying you trying to get the topic off hand because of it. I quote anyway i like, as long the whole thing its there and readable. Since it is, cry me a river.

You can cry all you want. Feel free. I won't laugh at you.
Oh, and the beams were "atom smashing"..you can't get much stronger than that.

Originally posted by olympian
On the contrary, Mr "he just survived fine a planets explosion".

Anyone can see you made things up. Its that or you just mistake deflecting wich happened in the page in question with *grabbing*, wich is something else all together.

Boom...Supes is hurled through space. If you can't see it. You must need help. Getting caught in a planetary explosion even if you are NEXT to the planet (or wherever you claim Supes was) is still a feat. Goku would have died in the same situation.

Nice try.

Originally posted by olympian
Your strectching comments? I rather *look* at the pages. He has uber opponents and so does Goku.

After all, how many times ive seen comments that he figths faster than light, hes uber skilled, and that he even held an actual black hole, when none are fact, neither correct.

A full fight to the sun and back in under 2 minutes, and you are disputing that? Has Goku done the same? If so, proof would be nice. I would enjoy the read.

Originally posted by olympian
Your opinion. Id put the same statement on Supermans side against the even uber guns higher than Freeza.

But that would just be my opinion, right? 👿

More uber than a weapon that destroys gods and is a universal threat, the general of gods army, a being who can alter realities on a whim, and a high class matter manipulator?

Once again, I see you've brought no proof. Hell, I've seen people arguing on Supes behalf put up more Goku scans.

Since I'm pretty sure you'll try a smart ass comment and yet again, bring NO proof. I'll take a break.

Boo hoo... 😆

http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/showimg.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume40/Db40ch10/401008.jpg

http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/showimg.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume40/Db40ch10/401009.jpg

Gotenks flew around the world eight times and took a nap. The next page shows him stating that he did it many times. His nap period is also unknown. Piccolo arrived a short time later and told him he had five minutes left. The same scene was in the anime. Based on this, Gotenks at best is 1/8 the speed of light, and at worst, he isn't even 1 % the speed of light.

Pretty sure Goku could just sense the kind of energy that Superman's invulnerability puts out and blast right through him.

There's no proof that Superman is faster either. While there is proof that Goku could travel at lightspeed and wind up right beyind someone without them noticing.

Originally posted by Femi32
http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/showimg.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume40/Db40ch10/401008.jpg

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Gotenks flew around the world eight times and took a nap. The next page shows him stating that he did it many times. His nap period is also unknown. Piccolo arrived a short time later and told him he had five minutes left. The same scene was in the anime. Based on this, Gotenks at best is 1/8 the speed of light, and at worst, he isn't even 1 % the speed of light.

I may have to agree that Superman is stronger but Goku is no lightweight. Before the Buu saga goku was training with 40ton weights (as stated by the kai) on all 4 four limbs, thats 4x40=180 tons, in his normal stage. He then says to the kai that if he went SS1 it would be far to easy (also under 10x earth gravity).

Now Supermans heat vision, ice breath etc are nifty tricks when compared to Goku's raw power. In Ssj3 mode Goku can easily destroy a planet (Comparative to Kid Buu who effortlessly destroyed the earth and was later found to be on the same power scale as Goku) and send multiple nuke force blasts his way, all the while effortlessly avoiding all of Supermans physical attacks.

Goku wins 8/10

Originally posted by jumpmann
Pretty sure Goku could just sense the kind of energy that Superman's invulnerability puts out and blast right through him.

There's no proof that Superman is faster either. While there is proof that Goku could travel at lightspeed and wind up right beyind someone without them noticing.

Superman has vibrated intangible through attacks.
IT is not the same as light speed fighting.

"You can cry all you want. Feel free. I won't laugh at you.
Oh, and the beams were "atom smashing"..you can't get much stronger than that"

Oly- Finished bitching? Good.

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"Boom...Supes is hurled through space. If you can't see it."

Oly- I can see however that the professor he was talking with, warned him about the explosion and he got out of there the fast he could.

You see, your reasoning works, against who didnt -read- the issue.

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"Getting caught in a planetary explosion even if you are NEXT to the planet (or wherever you claim Supes was) is still a feat. Goku would have died in the same situation."

Oly- So we saw him getting out or not? Stretching things again?

Sure its a feat. Just not as big as being caugh on a planet busting explosion. How can you even measure the distance he was?

And Goku has been near planet busting blasts too. You dont see me counting it as a feat as big as being caugh -in- one.

However by your logic, hmmmm.....

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"A full fight to the sun and back in under 2 minutes, and you are disputing that? Has Goku done the same? If so, proof would be nice. I would enjoy the read."

Oly- See above.

WW falling into Earth its not figthing at FTLS. Its not combat speed either. Hulk and Warlock did the same. Do they have superspeed combat ability of the type also?

Goku has done better regarding to pure speed only. Teleporting you know.

Nice try indeed.

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"More uber than a weapon that destroys gods and is a universal threat, the general of gods army, a being who can alter realities on a whim, and a high class matter manipulator? "

Oly- Oui mademoiselle. Buu. killed. Gods. Destroyed. Planets. survives. without. Any. Harm.

Universal threat right there.

That alter reality being would be who? Someone like Imperiex that did nothing more than getting his ass kicked? Shame. Couldnt even conquer Earth.

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"IT is not the same as light speed fighting."

Oly- Neither its just flying. Zing.

Botton line. And regarding to both: combat speed its all Goku. His all stich its that one. And regarding to strenght, Supes has the advantage but not a major one. SJ2 Goku its top tier in that.

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"I'll take a break"

Oly- Promiss ?

Originally posted by Magee
Flight speed is not the same as fighting speed. Goku is on a whole other level compared to Superman in agility, speed and reflexes. Goku has trained in MA since about 7yrs old and is far more experienced than Superman. Goku can also move ftl speed using instant transmision, which in the Japanese versions/mangas mean instant movement (light speed).

I may have to agree that Superman is stronger but Goku is no lightweight. Before the Buu saga goku was training with 40ton weights (as stated by the kai) on all 4 four limbs, thats 4x40=180 tons, in his normal stage. He then says to the kai that if he went SS1 it would be far to easy (also under 10x earth gravity).

Now Supermans heat vision, ice breath etc are nifty tricks when compared to Goku's raw power. In Ssj3 mode Goku can easily destroy a planet (Comparative to Kid Buu who effortlessly destroyed the earth and was later found to be on the same power scale as Goku) and send multiple nuke force blasts his way, all the while effortlessly avoiding all of Supermans physical attacks.

Goku wins 8/10

Superman is greater than Goku in both, flight and fighting/reflexive speeds and uses his speed in all types of ways, not just in fighting. Superman has a thousands years of battle experince, that out beats Goku's whole life time of training and was trained by DC's best, not to mention he's always fighting in battle. IT is just a teleport, not his actual speed, that technique won't be much help in a fight against someone who's going to be attacking.

Goku in the Buu saga had to go ssj to lift 40 tons (which is nothing to Superman) and struggled to push a moutain apart in ssj2 (which was his highest strength feat btw); Goku's punches won't be enough to stop Superman, especially since he's been hit by far stronger beings (some couldn't even move him when they hit him). And it was never stated that the planet had 10x gravity either.

Superman's Heat Vision is hotter than stars (which is overkill if used on ssj3 Goku) and he used it to reheat Earth too; and his ice Breath froze an entire planets brain (he can also shoot his Ice Breath out like an Ice Beam). Kid Buu destroyed Earth by charging up his blast (and the blast was very slow btw), not with a simple "KI" blast. Superman could KO ssj3 Goku with a punch, melt him Heat Vision (which Goku won't be able to block and Superman could easily just stand over him while Goku fries in it), Superman could fry ssj3 Goku's brain, Freeze Goku and then use the methods I just written, or suck all of the air out of ssj3 Goku; and that's not even thinking about bringing the fight to space where Goku can't breath either.

Superman wins!

More gems coming up:

"Superman has a thousands years of battle experince, that out beats Goku's whole life time of training"

Oly- Wait, wait. We have here a statement about more experienced figthers? So i assume you belive Thor and Hercules to being that better than Superman? oh oh!

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"and was trained by DC's best"

Oly- Who? Richard Dragon? If he wasent then he wasent trained by the best.

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"not to mention he's always fighting in battle."

Oly- Yeah hes suposse to. Its what you do in a....battle.

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"IT is just a teleport, not his actual speed, that technique won't be much help in a fight against someone who's going to be attacking"

Oly- It allows him to be faster. Thats enough.

Attacking someone who will teleport anywhere....? Interesting concept.

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"and struggled to push a moutain apart in ssj2 (which was his highest strength feat btw"

Oly- And here i will ask you. In what level would YOU put that one. I ask on another way. You see Thing, whos below the top tier, pulling that one?

You see Colossus who according to some here, its full class 100 to pull that one?

Mountain feat are top tier. It weights hundreds of tons. And he didnt just pushed it. He was buried with it and pull it apart in two. Thats top tier.

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"Kid Buu destroyed Earth by charging up his blast (and the blast was very slow btw), not with a simple "KI" blast. "

Oly- He raised one of his hands and blow it with a single attack. You cant have it more easy with that.

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"Superman could KO ssj3 Goku with a punch"

Oly- Hmmm. Captain Marvel style or easier? This is fun 👿