Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Which is the comic that stranger tries to rob the phoenix force ? Its not endsong is it !!!!!!!!! I was very disapointed when i picked my ordered version of endsong and it wasn't in there !!!!!!!!!! 😠
Its X-men Forever. You should have asked me mate!! 😉 Have you read New X-men? You like Grant Morrison it seems so you should really check that out before Endsong.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Well going by your past comments in this very thread you were indeed treating it as canon regardless of whether you intended to or not. Therefore just to reiterate in terms of canon it is NOT the supreme being as ive said throughout this thread.
And what did I say on PM?
You are talkin about past, do you want me to go quote your past comments, so don't go with past comments. Forget that. It's past.
As you know I said many times I can't say TOAA is the supreme, because it wasn't stated anywhere.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If you wish to believe that idea then thats cool because i cant prove it wrong just like you cant prove it right)
That is what I am telling you all the time, why should we leave TOAA out
of debates. We can't prove anything.
You say White Crown Pheonix is greatest power in Marvel, but I choose THOTU over the White Crown Phoenix.
So, I have my opinion, you yours, it's just that.
Originally posted by Xplosive
And what did I say on PM?
You are talkin about past, do you want me to go quote your past comments, so don't go with past comments. Forget that. It's past.
As you know I said many times I can't say TOAA is the supreme, because it wasn't stated anywhere.That is what I am telling you all the time, why should we leave TOAA out
of debates. We can't prove anything.
XP youre taking an aggressive tone over a comic book debate. Theres no need chill out. If you're now conceding that TOAA cant be treated as the supreme being then everythings cool. Theres no need to carry this line of discussion on any further.
I agree. Theres no point bringing TOAA into debates as nothings known about it.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
XP youre taking an aggressive tone over a comic book debate. Theres no need, chill out. If you're now conceding that TOAA cant be treated as the supreme being then everythings cool. Theres no need to carry this line of discussion on any further.I agree. Theres no point bringing TOAA into debates as nothings known about it.
I didn't mean to be agressive.
Believe me, I didn't have anything in mind to show any kind of agressivnes. Maybe it just sounded like that reading it.
Wow. Just Wow.
Well Im going to add my two cents.
In all of the MU. Not including the TOAA.
The “Primal Force, and The “Living Tribunal” are the only two cosmic entities that have bin known to act an in Multi-Verse Scale.
The LT, has authority to maintain a balance throughout out the multi-verse. Adding/Stripping powers at a cosmic scale. Destroying/Sealing universe and other lesser cosmic’s who he deems as a threat. He remains constant thru out all and judges as he sees best, disregarding any emotion as if a computer is following the programs command.
The PF, on the other hand is the force of destruction/creation throughout all of the MU at a multi-verse scale, as well. And if it wishes to when, the “PF” sees its time to end a universe, the PF. has the ability to choose who is going to be the survivors, and as well as appointing new cosmic entities.
The LT, has bin deemed superior to the PF simply because there is no simple humanoid/intelligent being as a host, the way PF is. He is simply a cosmic entity who was created by an even higher Power, and is as old as time itself. Its job is to simply job, with no emotional attachments to avoid making mistakes, and making the best out of hard decisions. Making him a form of Nature to the MU.
The Primal Force, on the other hand has the same power of class. The LT did not create the PF. The PF was created by a higher power to follow the course of Nature of the MU as well. The PF itself does not have emotions or feeling like the LT. But is in charge of Creating Not judging. And the reason behind the PF choosing a host, is so it can do a better job recreating/coordinating the new MU over the old. (it needs the raw emotions such as compsion, love, hate and so on that can only be obtained from a host/avatar.)
Now if someone is to be wilding such high power, why do they have such high Highs, and such low Low’s? mostly due to PIS, CIS. Keep in mind it’s a comic book not a science book. (I mean it is a comic book that breaks the laws of Physics and thermodynamics on a regular basis.)
Can LT challenge the Primal Force? Apparently no.
When the PF decides to Coordinate the MU, Can it replace the LT over another abstract? Apparently no.
But Here is a better question….. Can LT strip the powers of White Crown Phoenix, If he deems it as a cosmic threat? This is something that started to bug me.
I am not sure.
WCP is the closet thing we have to a host completely merging to the Primal Force itself. I don’t think LT can, since the Jean is protected by the “Primal Force” and LT can not undo or challenge the PF at will, (remember I deemed them as equal.)
And that was the point of my thread was to see if the LT has ever challenged and succeeded in undoing the will of the PF. So far I haven’t gotten my answer.
Any how here are some scans and feats to back up my claims.
The Watcher claims the PF is second only to the “Creator”
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Other cosmic that praise her above theirs.
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Proof that PF does choses who gets to survive the big Bang/Crush and who becomes a new abstract of the MU.
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Here we see Jean (White Crown Phoenix) holding the MU at the palm of her hand, and altering reality as she sees fit. Also other hosts/avatar from other timelines and or different MU’s to prove that the Primal force does act at a mulit-verse Scale by appointing a host to weild the PF in her/his universe.
Originally posted by Ex11B
Once again..LT wins.....only TOAA/Presence is above him
No. It seems the gathered power of 6 below abstract level cosmics is enough to stop him, he agreed that he didnt know how his power would stand against the power of the IG, plus he got owned by HOTU which had nothing to do with TOAA so your statement is very very wrong and completely unsupported on panel.
TOAA being god isnt canon. It is stated and shown on panel that one who wields the Phoenix Force can humble LT. LTs greatest feat is making a supernova, an action he refers to as his ultimate punishment, an action which is also referred to in his bio. People have long been confusing role with power.
Originally posted by id369
Wow. Just Wow.Well Im going to add my two cents.
In all of the MU. Not including the TOAA.
The “Primal Force, and The “Living Tribunal” are the only two cosmic entities that have bin known to act an in Multi-Verse Scale.
The LT, has authority to maintain a balance throughout out the multi-verse. Adding/Stripping powers at a cosmic scale. Destroying/Sealing universe and other lesser cosmic’s who he deems as a threat. He remains constant thru out all and judges as he sees best, disregarding any emotion as if a computer is following the programs command.
The PF, on the other hand is the force of destruction/creation throughout all of the MU at a multi-verse scale, as well. And if it wishes to when, the “PF” sees its time to end a universe, the PF. has the ability to choose who is going to be the survivors, and as well as appointing new cosmic entities.
The LT, has bin deemed superior to the PF simply because there is no simple humanoid/intelligent being as a host, the way PF is. He is simply a cosmic entity who was created by an even higher Power, and is as old as time itself. Its job is to simply job, with no emotional attachments to avoid making mistakes, and making the best out of hard decisions. Making him a form of Nature to the MU.
The Primal Force, on the other hand has the same power of class. The LT did not create the PF. The PF was created by a higher power to follow the course of Nature of the MU as well. The PF itself does not have emotions or feeling like the LT. But is in charge of Creating Not judging. And the reason behind the PF choosing a host, is so it can do a better job recreating/coordinating the new MU over the old. (it needs the raw emotions such as compsion, love, hate and so on that can only be obtained from a host/avatar.)
Now if someone is to be wilding such high power, why do they have such high Highs, and such low Low’s? mostly due to PIS, CIS. Keep in mind it’s a comic book not a science book. (I mean it is a comic book that breaks the laws of Physics and thermodynamics on a regular basis.)
Can LT challenge the Primal Force? Apparently no.
When the PF decides to Coordinate the MU, Can it replace the LT over another abstract? Apparently no.
But Here is a better question….. Can LT strip the powers of White Crown Phoenix, If he deems it as a cosmic threat? This is something that started to bug me.
I am not sure.
WCP is the closet thing we have to a host completely merging to the Primal Force itself. I don’t think LT can, since the Jean is protected by the “Primal Force” and LT can not undo or challenge the PF at will, (remember I deemed them as equal.)
Cool. One thing though. Jean literally is the Phoenix Force. She is a human shell formed by the force so it could carry out its work on the physical plane. This was first revealed in Classic X-men 42 and was supported by New X-men,(#128 especially) Endsong and now its stated in the latest Phoenix Force bio.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
No. It seems the gathered power of 6 below abstract level cosmics is enough to stop him.
I don't think 6 abstracts could stop LT at all. I see only Phoenix stoping LT and no one else, except HOTU, of course. Every other pretty much fear LT, including all abstracts.
I imagine fight between LT and IG would go by devasttign force that would destroy all other abstract, beings, everything, except Phoenix, but I see LT taking IG in the end. That was the only reason LT didn't go in battle with IG, even if he would be the winner, the consuqences would be devastating. And LT had the power to cancel IG, while IG didn't have to cancel LT, so LT should be anyway beyond IG. Having the power to cancel affect of IG, so that battle wouldn't even start, I think that pretty much gives you above.
Originally posted by Xplosive
I don't think 6 abstracts could stop LT at all. I see only Phoenix stoping LT and no one else, except HOTU. Every other pretty much fear LT, including all abstracts.
If you wish to believe that then fine but the fact that Korvac with the power of 6 BELOW abstract level cosmics withstood LTs "ultimate punishment" causing him to flee after first claiming he had nothing left in his arsenal to defeat Korvac then that says it all. On panel evidence overrides unsupported opinion. On top of that LT agreed he didnt know if he had the power to stop the IG, he has no great feats of power beyond his "ultimate punishment". So altogether it paints a picture of a far from virtually omnipotent being.
Originally posted by Xplosive
I don't think 6 abstracts could stop LT at all. I see only Phoenix stoping LT and no one else, except HOTU, of course. Every other pretty much fear LT, including all abstracts.
I imagine fight between LT and IG would go by devasttign force that would destroy all other abstract, beings, everything, except Phoenix, but I see LT taking IG in the end. That was the only reason LT didn't go in battle with IG, even if he would be the winner, the consuqences would be devastating. And LT had the power to cancel IG, while IG didn't have to cancel LT, so LT should be anyway beyond IG. Having the power to cancel affect of IG, so that battle wouldn't even start, I think that pretty much gives you above.
All opinion and none of it supported. Theres no need to have this debate because its all been had in the recent Spectre vs Marvel universe thread you'll find on the first few pages of this forum.
Adams attack wasnt full power, it was a display of anger at the perceived audacity of the abstracts. LT cancelled out the blast, something Dr Strange has done in battle with Adam with the IG. Either way LT went on to agree after that, that he didnt know how his power would stand up to the IG. Thats the end of the matter. He doesnt know , therefore unless youre a Marvel official noone can speak for him and say otherwise. Until stated or shown somewhere by canon LT is not beyond the IG. Dont mistake role with power.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
hmmm, i wonder how many people are supporting gs now.
Awww you still hurting from the other day? 🙁
Well sorry to compound that but if you actually read whats going on here properly XP agrees that Phoenix is beyond LT, the majority of posters on this thread do. The point we're debating over has nothing whatsoever to do with Phoenix.
Yet another foolish ill thought out post. Youre in way over your head boy. Stick to spiderman and the like. 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Awww you still hurting from the other day? 🙁Well sorry to compound that but if you actually read whats going on here properly XP agrees that Phoenix is beyond LT, the majority of posters on this thread do. The point we're debating over has nothing whatsoever to do with Phoenix.
Yet another foolish ill thought out post. Youre in way over your head boy. Stick to spiderman and the like. 🙂
watch your mouth fanboy, ur way too ful of urself{n the pheonix's prick} to realize that apart from the idiotic following u have inspired due to manipulative posts and making kmc n pheonix ur entire life, NO 1 GIVES A DAMN. u think ur disgusting sarcasm, rubbish sense of humour n goin afte people personally while coverin it all up with smileys to make ur post looks smart actually does sumthin to any1, NO CUD CARE LESS, thas the reason most real people stopped debatin with u a long time ago, its only the newbies who come in every now n then n cant see beyond ur twisted, wrong manipulated logic. really gs, im sure u keep up this high n mighty act all the time to make up for everythin u dont have in real life{well seein as u dont HAVE a life}
Originally posted by leonheartmm
watch your mouth fanboy, ur way too ful of urself{n the pheonix's prick} to realize that apart from the idiotic following u have inspired due to manipulative posts and making kmc n pheonix ur entire life, NO 1 GIVES A DAMN. u think ur disgusting sarcasm, rubbish sense of humour n goin afte people personally while coverin it all up with smileys to make ur post looks smart actually does sumthin to any1, NO CUD CARE LESS, thas the reason most real people stopped debatin with u a long time ago, its only the newbies who come in every now n then n cant see beyond ur twisted, wrong manipulated logic. really gs, im sure u keep up this high n mighty act all the time to make up for everythin u dont have in real life{well seein as u dont HAVE a life}
For someone so quick to throw accussations about a lack of social life, and a pathetic penchant for personal vendettas, i find it ever so odd that one of your first posts of the day was to seek me out on this Phoenix thread and not contribute, but instead send humourless tripe my way. 🙄
Youre a hypocrite Leon, you take yourself way too seriously. When the quality of your posts is taken into consideration thats the reason youre the laughing stock of these forums. Your posts are garbage. 😮
I was so amused when your recent GS hate thread got reversed and people aired their views on you and your sum contribution to these forums. It was kinda unanimous, YOURE A BIG JOKE!!!! 😂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
For someone so quick to throw accussations about a lack of social life, and a pathetic penchant for personal vendettas, i find it ever so odd that one of your first posts of the day was to seek me out on this Phoenix thread and not contribute, but instead send humourless tripe my way. 🙄Youre a hypocrite Leon, you take yourself way too seriously. When the quality of your posts is taken into consideration thats the reason youre the laughing stock of these forums. Your posts are garbage. 😮
I was so amused when your recent GS hate thread got reversed and people aired their views on you and your sum contribution to these forums. It was kinda unanimous, YOURE A BIG JOKE!!!! 😂
am i now, n thas probably the reason why there are soooooo many people backing up ur views on ME now, yea sure is a large crowd of laughing posters, the only thing u dont realize is that ur the only one laughing, and as the say, the ones who laugh last laugh the longest, but the ones who laugh while no1 else is, keep on laughing eternally, n thas just wat uve been doing.
