Captain America vs Batman(no shield-no gadgets)

Originally posted by xkalybr
If Batman is obsessive enough to study every martial arts form, detective training, athletic training, gadgetry training, meditation and healing training, then why is it so difficult to assume that he has learned some hypnotic training as well.

That cop did not look too bright, and maybe with a little slight of hand, a little distraction, the proper words, a little hypnosis, then Batman looks like he disappears.

It is conceivable, and Batman would be the type of character to learn a trick like that.

Magicians do it all the time, albeit with cards and trinkets, but still possible.

It's possible..

Originally posted by unknowable
All this time they've been using that as reference and now we see Cap lost in it anyway.

Thanx for the update Juntai...

Originally posted by Murda Mase
The voting one.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Ha! I knew it. You do realize Batman is a ton more popular than Cap don't you? Even in that, Bats was huffing and puffing and Cap wasn't tired @all. Didn't a brick fall on Cap's head or something? You're new here so I won't be rude. We don't count that crossover here because the outcomes were decided on by fan(boy) votes.

LOL A brick fell, but not on his head.

That would have been funny as hell though.

man these forums bring out the best and worst in people,

mad funny posts through out this thread.

Originally posted by King KAM
Grappling Beats Striking 10/10 times unless the Striker is a fair grappler, but in this case its not, When Royce Gracie beat the hell out of those guys in the UFC there were NO rules, everything was allowed, and he dominated them with ease, Now other arts must learn BJJ to compete, without it you just get mangeled, and in this case cap is a world class wrestler, both greco-roman and freestyle, hes the best judo player on earth,and knows every Jui-jitsu finger Lock(eye gouge) joint move out there, Batman is a striker,who has never show good takedown defense, meaning hes pretty much your basic striker, who in this case gets mangeled, its not Mixed Martial Arts when all you do is Strike, considering After Boxing and Muay Thai, 99.9% of all other striking arts arent worth a shit.

Hmm... Batman studies Aikido specifically, as shown in my scan. The best of Shiva's 7 martial artists was a very good grappler. Batman ended up throwing him out of a window. 🙂 You obviously don't read a whole lot of Batman, he can do a lot more than punch the shit out of random thugs. Batman studied for 6 months in both jiu jitsu and judo in a Japanese hermitage... He's competent, to say the least.

"The grim purpose that burned inside him was growing, demanding direction, seeking release. He looked further, to the East. He learned karate from an ascended master in the Paektu-San mountains of Korea--Savate from a convicted killer living as a beach bum on an island off Borneo. Six months in a japanese hermitage taught him the value of Judo and Ju-jitsu. From a chinese woman so old she should have been dead, he learned the secrets of the Tao, that nothing is fixed, everything is fluid, everthing is energy. He mastered a dozen disciplines, experimented with them and fused them into something that was uniquely his own. In Africa he learned how to read the environment for the signs man's passage leaves--how to find and follow a trail to which ordinary men were blind...The ninjas taught him their secrets--how to use the shadows, how to employ psychology to win the battle before it's even fought--the precautions to take when you make yourself a target--and how to use fear." - Shadow of the Bat #0

Crossovers aren't worth crap. Batman admitted that Cap was faster, yet has better speed feats of his own. Captain Cold has hit Flash, should he be able to?

Ah, the power of good scans...

More speed!
Now he's just being Deathstroke. Copier.

Pressure Points
Solomon Grundy, born on...

Stuns Wonderwoman

The two most deadly strikes in ALL of martial arts. Cap's the best Martial Artist in the world? Ha. Noobs.

Durability
One more... DOesn't flinch from having a board broken over the back of his head. Kevlar kicks ass.

By "Growing in someone's mind", do you mean scaring the living shit out of them? Do werewolves count?

2 fights... Batman beats up a Captain America ripoff. (supersoldier juice and all)

And yes, I DO think Bruce knows more than Azrael...

Cap's good, but nowhere near as godly as you make him seem. He's not the f***ing Karate Kid, and doing judo does not automatically make you demolish any striking opponent. Your views on what wins a fight is much too black and white. A very good striker can take apart a competent grappler, and vice versa. Of relatively equal skill, grappling has a slight advantage, but it's much better to be able to do both. Good thing Batman does. 🙂

5/10 each, and only because Cap is physically better by a hair. Batman outspars him every day of the week.

Originally posted by Dizzle
2 fights... Batman beats up a Captain America ripoff. (supersoldier juice and all)

Originally posted by Dizzle
Hmm... Batman studies Aikido specifically, as shown in my scan. The best of Shiva's 7 martial artists was a very good grappler. Batman ended up throwing him out of a window. 🙂 You obviously don't read a whole lot of Batman, he can do a lot more than punch the shit out of random thugs. Batman studied for 6 months in both jiu jitsu and judo in a Japanese hermitage... He's competent, to say the least.

"The grim purpose that burned inside him was growing, demanding direction, seeking release. He looked further, to the East. He learned karate from an ascended master in the Paektu-San mountains of Korea--Savate from a convicted killer living as a beach bum on an island off Borneo. Six months in a japanese hermitage taught him the value of Judo and Ju-jitsu. From a chinese woman so old she should have been dead, he learned the secrets of the Tao, that nothing is fixed, everything is fluid, everthing is energy. He mastered a dozen disciplines, experimented with them and fused them into something that was uniquely his own. In Africa he learned how to read the environment for the signs man's passage leaves--how to find and follow a trail to which ordinary men were blind...The ninjas taught him their secrets--how to use the shadows, how to employ psychology to win the battle before it's even fought--the precautions to take when you make yourself a target--and how to use fear." - Shadow of the Bat #0

Crossovers aren't worth crap. Batman admitted that Cap was faster, yet has better speed feats of his own. Captain Cold has hit Flash, should he be able to?

Ah, the power of good scans...

Cap's good, but nowhere near as godly as you make him seem. He's not the f***ing Karate Kid, and doing judo does not automatically make you demolish any striking opponent. Your views on what wins a fight is much too black and white. A very good striker can take apart a competent grappler, and vice versa. Of relatively equal skill, grappling has a slight advantage, but it's much better to be able to do both. Good thing Batman does. 🙂

5/10 each, and only because Cap is physically better by a hair. Batman outspars him every day of the week.

Dizz, ya did it again...
stunned Wonder Woman, that in itself is remarkable.

Great scans again Dizz.

*shakes his head* first batman was more durable, the he can turn invisible, now, he beats up on wonder woman,werewolves,and solomon grundy, yet he still loses to DS.......this world just doesnt make any sense.....

Stuns wonder woman?

wasn't stunning her in this

Originally posted by Black Adam
Stuns wonder woman?

wasn't stunning her in this

Originally posted by Black Adam
Stuns wonder woman?

wasn't stunning her in this

As always Batman has the advantage if the fight takes place during night time. And as far as I know Capt stealth isn't that good. Whereas Batman stealthier attack is alway superior.

Much respect to Captain America. But taking away his shield is vital. He rellies on his shield quite too often. Besides he's all juice up.

Batman is 100% beef. No additives unlike the Capt. I'd give it to the Dark Knight just for that.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
As always Batman has the advantage if the fight takes place during night time. And as far as I know Capt stealth isn't that good. Whereas Batman stealthier attack is alway superior.

Much respect to Captain America. But taking away his shield is vital. He rellies on his shield quite too often. Besides he's all juice up.

Batman is 100% beef. No additives unlike the Capt. I'd give it to the Dark Knight just for that.

Its impossible for batman to not be on additives, realistically, he doesnt eat nearly enough, or work out nearly enough to keep his strength up is all idiocy,

And how does stealth come into play here? its a damn head 2 head, damn batheads will always try to make an excuse.

Cap doesnt use his shield, unless the other person has weapons, he works without it JUST fine.

I think there was a time when Bats was addicted to Venom. Cap has a bit of an advantage because of the serum, but come on, he wouldn't be Cap. without it. He'd be skinny ol' Steve. This is Batman Vs. Cap. Two of the best, but as it's been said, it's a great human versus the perfect human. Cap wins.

Originally posted by brainchild81
I think there was a time when Bats was addicted to Venom. Cap has a bit of an advantage because of the serum, but come on, he wouldn't be Cap. without it. He'd be skinny ol' Steve. This is Batman Vs. Cap. Two of the best, but as it's been said, it's a great human versus the perfect human. Cap wins.

Originally posted by brainchild81
If I had a nickel for every time I heard "Batman will find a way to win", I'd be richer than Batman. Batman ususally has gadgets to help him find a way. He doesn't here. All he has here is that he knows more martial arts styles than a person who's so good and physically dominant that he doesn't need more martial arts styles. Batman loses this one folks

Sometimes he uses gadgets. Sometimes he doesn't. The point is that they're close enough in fighting power that batman's tactical acumen pulls him ahead. And some of his fight feats are simply astounding -- inconsistent with his described powers, no doubt, but astounding nonetheless.

Cap doesn't impress me as much. Though if someone can post scans of his best 1on1 victories, perhaps I'll change my mind.

Originally posted by slade10
Sometimes he uses gadgets. Sometimes he doesn't. The point is that they're close enough in fighting power that batman's tactical acumen pulls him ahead. And some of his fight feats are simply astounding -- inconsistent with his described powers, no doubt, but astounding nonetheless.

Cap doesn't impress me as much. Though if someone can post scans of his best 1on1 victories, perhaps I'll change my mind.

Originally posted by Black Adam
Stuns wonder woman?

wasn't stunning her in this

My bad. In case you missed it the first time around:

I'm not saying that Batman can seriously beat Wonderwoman- Far from it. In skills, she's better than he is, and physically he may as well be an ant. The feat is in the fact that he can hurt her, which reinforces my point that Cap's 100lb or so lifting advantage means NOTHING, because Batman hits much harder for his actual strength, and is capable of harming people with very high levels of invlunerability. He knows many, many killing strikes that could potentially end this fight next to instantly.

Originally posted by Dizzle
My bad. In case you missed it the first time around:

I'm not saying that Batman can seriously beat Wonderwoman- Far from it. In skills, she's better than he is, and physically he may as well be an ant. The feat is in the fact that he can hurt her, which reinforces my point that Cap's 100lb or so lifting advantage means NOTHING, because Batman hits much harder for his actaul strength, and is capable of harming people with very high levels of invlunerability. He knows many, many killing strikes that could potentially end this fight next to instantly.

Wonder woman can survive a punch thrown at light speed by zoom.

She can get hit by superman and still be able to stand.

Batman hurting her with any punch or nerve pinch is utter crap.