Captain America vs Batman(no shield-no gadgets) · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by namorsubby
1. it's harder to hold weight over your head with you arms than to bench press weight.....you know that right?
you've really got to read the dialogue DG.......the guys says himself batman is [b]holding the weight, not "supporting" it.........btw, how does that even make sense? the trick ceiling has fallen with the full force of it's weight......and now batman's holding it up, period.[/B]

Uh... no. I didn't say that he wasn't holding it up, I said that he didn' LIFT it(which is what you said he did). And if he's just standing there holding it up because it was lowered from above, he's supporting it. And no, holding something like that up isn't harder than actually benching the weight.

Originally posted by namorsubby
2.did you read the arc? he was in a straightjacket when the black hand put him down there..........and his freakin [b]muscles were dehydrated. he wasn't even half strength definitely after all that stuff he went through(poisoned, muscles dehydrated,etc).........you'd know if you read the arc.[/B]

Nope didn't read the arc, just like you haven't read every arc of Cap. I don't doubt that he was wearing a strait jacket when he was put in there, but he took it off before he accomplished the feat. Where is it stated in the arc that he isn't even at half strength?

Originally posted by namorsubby
3.not as impressive......that object is most defintiely heavier and larger than a tractor grill......and he used his bound arms to lift it.......how on earth did he use his whole body?

By using his legs and back muscles also(I didn't literally mean his "whole body"😉. As for heaviness, did it show how far that pipe flew?

Originally posted by namorsubby
4.lol, seems like a very small anchor........again, not as impressive....bats is ripping iron bars, and there withering like they're lettuce.lol

Do you have any idea of how much anchor like that weighs or how much strength it would take to throw it that distance?

Originally posted by namorsubby
5.2 hands, not one........also, was that futuristic looking gun even metal?

Broken vs bent. As far as I know.

Originally posted by namorsubby
also, that statement below #5 suprised me..........you're seriously undermining his feats........which obviously don't compare to throwing a man with one hand.lol

Do you have any idea of how much strength it takes to grab a grown man with one hand and throw him that kind of distance? I know there are some math whizzes here on KMC so I can get one to come in here and do the math if you'd like.

Originally posted by namorsubby
6.cap isn't moving in-between any bullets even close to the way bats was..........grasping.....and this might not be more impressive than "outracing" bullets.......but i bet i know what is(hint, it's a lil down the line)
]why mention dd? unless you want to start posting feats that prove he's faster(ie, there are none, because cap's feats are more impressive than his)........and yes, the feats are canon......bats has used guns in his canon appearances before(actually i think this is a recap of his early years where he did)

If he were moving the way Bats was he would have gotten hit because he had stuff coming in from every direction.

I never said that DD was faster than Bats, I said that he has comparable feats to Bats just as you're saying that Bats has comparable feats to Cap. The difference is, I don't think anyone with feats comparable to Cap has said that Bats is faster.

Originally posted by namorsubby
7.yes, because he's just an inexperienced kid.......but really, let's not start callin pis because those scans are far more impressive than any cap speed feat by far(are they not?)

So you think it's ok for Impulse to get tagged by someone without super speed... well that's on you then 😂 .

Originally posted by namorsubby
8. see #7.lol

Because he's an inexperienced kid?

Originally posted by namorsubby
9.lol, you know batman's head was once exactly in the path between freeze's head and the bullet, right? so acknowledging that.....why would you say such a thing? the text was refering to the fact that batman wasn't fast enough to save freeze too........and btw, im pretty much sure that the last couple of scans puts the speed category firmly outta cap's reach.lol

No I DON'T know that. What issue is it from so I can make sure that Freeze wasn't the target?

Originally posted by namorsubby
10.so you're telling me you don't see the several bullets flying in several different.........you know what, i don't even need to argue speed feats anymore.lol

I see him with his hand up and bullets falling. That's not the same as "blocking" the way you're talking about anymore than it is for Cap to wade into gunfire with his shield up.

Originally posted by namorsubby
umm.......heavens no......in fact, now that we've done this, i'm convinced bruce has the edge.......i'll understand of course if you don't agree.

"We've done this"? Dude you still haven't matched Cap's feats that I originally posted... at all.

namorsubby Senior Member

i knew for a fact that it would be pointless from here on.......fine then, agree to disagree.

and before you go on with another response.......yeah, my strength feats were totally inferior, the speed feats that far exceeded cap's are PIS crap(cap beating namor is just fine though), batman actually having proof of learning many styles means way less than an idle statement.......and yeah, not one of my scans matches up at all.

even in light of all this, the fact that i'm a biased fanboy compels me to say that batman wins.......please display some patience for me though.........the picture's clear but guys like me, we just can't see.....you understand.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
RD. 1 goes to namorsubby.

i guess we both were mistaken

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by namorsubby
i knew for a fact that it would be pointless from here on.......fine then, agree to disagree.
and before you go on with another response.......yeah, my strength feats were totally inferior, the speed feats that far exceeded cap's are PIS crap(cap beating namor is just fine though), batman actually having proof of learning many styles means way less than an idle statement.......and yeah, not one of my scans matches up at all.
even in light of all this, the fact that i'm a biased fanboy compels me to say that batman wins.......please display some patience for me though.........the picture's clear but guys like me, we just can't see.....you understand.

Agree to disagree? That's what you do when you've reached some kind of impasse, it's not the same as backing out of the debate because you can't find appropriate feats.

As for the rest...

Yeah you're strength feats were inferior(impressive for a human, but still inferior to Cap's), yeah the Impulse and Supes thing are pretty much crap(and the fact that you had to reach for those types of feats just in an attempt to MATCH Cap's feats should tell you something), I never doubted Bats skills he's just not better than Cap.

Don't worry you might stubble across a feat of Bat's that marks him as Cap's physical equal sometime, this just wasn't your day.

Juk3n Devils Advocate

Lol at anyone thinking a peak unenhanced human dodges a half serious Supermans blows. If superman was mind-controlled, then he was prolly not using his powerset to it's fullest extent, and just swinging punches like a bar room brawler. If he WAS using his powerset to it's fullest extent in his mind controlled state and firing off punches at his best speed, then i call PIS, for obvious reasons. There really shouldn't be an argument, other than Bats is legitimately VASTLY superhuman.

How many times faster than Batman is Supes..hazard a guess.

Caps Conscience Senior Member

Magneto vs Apacopolips

Why not?

Battlehammer Senior Member

Re: Captain America vs Batman(no shield-no gadgets)

Originally posted by unknowable
This is a fight involving fighting skill.
We all know Batman is no joke, master of I believe 147 different styles of fighting.
America is no joke in his own right, but can his super serum strength(press 500lbs)give him the edge?
Hand to hand in the ultimate fighter octagon ring.
Who takes it?

is it ultimate fighter rules?

Juk3n Devils Advocate

Re: Re: Captain America vs Batman(no shield-no gadgets)

Originally posted by Battlehammer
is it ultimate fighter rules?

don't think so, i think it's kmc rules H2H only, first to KO wins.

Battlehammer Senior Member

I just wondering sicne it takes place in the UFC octogon

Batman-Prime Kryptonian Scientist

I think they are pretty even.

I also though that cap has lost his "serum" in the Cap America run where US Agent was made. He had to prove that he doesn't need "drugs" or so.

Anyway. Both are skilled fighters, I think while Batman might be the more skilled and cunning one, Cap has the slight advantage on Strength and durability.

50-50 in the end.

Battlehammer Senior Member

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I think they are pretty even.
I also though that cap has lost his "serum" in the Cap America run where US Agent was made. He had to prove that he doesn't need "drugs" or so.
Anyway. Both are skilled fighters, I think while Batman might be the more skilled and cunning one, Cap has the slight advantage on Strength and durability.
50-50 in the end.

he got it back.
Capt physical advantages should give him the win, any advantage either has in skill would be very slight. Cunning won't matter in the least in such an encounter.

thanos-prime Senior Member

Cap 7-8/10

Juk3n Devils Advocate

Originally posted by Battlehammer
he got it back.
Capt physical advantages should give him the win, any advantage either has in skill would be very slight. Cunning won't matter in the least in such an encounter.

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Batman-Prime Kryptonian Scientist

Originally posted by Battlehammer
he got it back.
Capt physical advantages should give him the win, any advantage either has in skill would be very slight. Cunning won't matter in the least in such an encounter.

I disagree. Batman is used to fight individuals with superpowers. Cap too, yes but Batman is > anything possible for a human being. The physical advantage of Cap isn't big enough to give him the majority, especially not if we take the slighztly better MA skills of Batman.

Battlehammer Senior Member

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I disagree. Batman is used to fight individuals with superpowers. Cap too, yes but Batman is > anything possible for a human being. The physical advantage of Cap isn't big enough to give him the majority, especially not if we take the slighztly better MA skills of Batman.

But is is when he phsycially superior in everyway but also posses equal skills...............

it logical that if people are just as skilled as one another, then the stronger more durable one will win more oftne then not......

also batman is not more skilled.

Batman-Prime Kryptonian Scientist

Originally posted by Battlehammer
But is is when he phsycially superior in everyway but also posses equal skills...............
it logical that if people are just as skilled as one another, then the stronger more durable one will win more oftne then not......
also batman is not more skilled.

I disagree. Someone who is just slightly stronger and more durable can still lose against someone who is more clever, has the slightly better agility and is slightly better at MA.

Stop hating uhuh

Battlehammer Senior Member

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I disagree. Someone who is just slightly stronger and more durable can still lose against someone who is more clever, has the slightly better agility and is slightly better at MA.
Stop hating uhuh

What being celver going to do? this aint a dective competition this is a fight, capt not the rhino, being clever is worthless. But batman aint more agile nor is he better at MA. By deffinition capt is physical superior to batman in everyway.......

not hating just bieng logical lol

Batman-Prime Kryptonian Scientist

Originally posted by Battlehammer
What being celver going to do? this aint a dective competition this is a fight, capt not the rhino, being clever is worthless. But batman aint more agile nor is he better at MA. By deffinition capt is physical superior to batman in everyway.......
not hating just bieng logical lol

Logic =/= Battlehammer. Flash fact.

Fighting clever. Batman has faced worse then Cap and won. You don't have to accept that but my opinion stands. They are pretty even.

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Juk3n Devils Advocate

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
who is more clever

this is a fight, in a featureless environment, what does being better at science/invention or being a better detective have to do with a brawl? Unless you meant Bruce is a better tactician, then i'll just say LOL! and leave it at that.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
has the slightly better agility

you can't prove that.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
and is slightly better at MA.

You only have hyperbole to go on here, or he'd never lose as fight to a physically matched opponent :/

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Batman has faced worse then Cap and won.

for example?

Battlehammer Senior Member

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Logic =/= Battlehammer. Flash fact.
Fighting clever. Batman has faced worse then Cap and won. You don't have to accept that but my opinion stands. They are pretty even.
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sorry I like logic and you disagree with it becuase you like batman........

capt faced worse then batman and won, so that a very foolish arguement. Your opinion is meh given your name............ But your welcome to have it though I still think it rather illogical

Batman-Prime Kryptonian Scientist

Originally posted by Juk3n
this is a fight, in a featureless environment, what does being better at science/invention or being a better detective have to do with a brawl? Unless you meant Bruce is a better tactician, then i'll just say LOL! and leave it at that.
you can't prove that.
You only have hyperbole to go on here, or he'd never lose as fight to a physically matched opponent :/

Lol as much as you like 😉.

It's already been proved.

You know that each hero has low and high feats? Except Squirrel Girl maybe.