Captain America vs Batman(no shield-no gadgets)

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Again I asked for speed feats that are greater subby. Him tagging kid flash after distracting him with the knife has no quantification because we don't know how fast Kid was going. Its no differeent then Cap countering Quick Silver. And Slade being as fast as Mercury is no different then Cap being compared to the speed of Quicksilver. Even Batman and Nightwing have done the same....LOL. Cap's done the same to Quick Silver. And been stated to have the speed of Quicksilver.

Cap impresses Quicksilver with his speed.
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/8775/avengersv101707jx5.jpg

Cap fights a freak that compares Cap's speed to Quiksilver.(That same guy tagged QSilver.
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1369/avengersv103716lx9.jpg

Cap counters Quicksilver himself.
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/2128/avengersv102203bf3.jpg

Cap runs past Daredevil like he's a breeze. DD attests that Cap is faster then himself.
http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=daredevil23314bt0.jpg

Heck Cap has Laser time scenes.

Cap with metal glove blocks random energy beams, definitely fast hand speed.
http://img474.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers17004yb3.jpg

Cap dodges beams unders zero gravity.
http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv123516rougherpv4.jpg
http://img421.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv123518rougherbg7.jpg

Like I said come back when you have some real superior speed feats.

Well, for what it count I like Pietro's hair better...

Originally posted by Superherovandal
There is one major difference though that you seem to forget...Kid Flash is eons faster than Quicksilver is.I think that would make a huge difference. Kid flash can lightspeed whilst Quicksilver most notably cannot in those scans. Also Slades tagged the real flash too. and i highly doubt anyone on KMC will not attest to flash's superiority over Quicksilver. However, i think we should stop digressing from the topic at hand and get back to Cap vs Batman. My opinion on the matter is that Batman would lose to Cap but it would be a rather close fight. Like maybe batman loses between 5-7/10. This is no blowout to Cap and Batman will make him fight hard for every victory but ultimately Cap's stats somewhat greater than Bat's.

So, you're saying that the Flash's were going lightspeed when Slade tagged them...IOW, Slade has lightspeed reactions, correct?

Originally posted by Silent Master
So, you're saying that the Flash's were going lightspeed when Slade tagged them...IOW, Slade has lightspeed reactions, correct?

So according to you it isn't any more impressive to tag a light-speedster than to tag an match 2 speedster?

Originally posted by Bentley
So according to you it isn't any more impressive to tag a light-speedster than to tag an match 2 speedster?

There is a lot of selective memory at work with Deathstroke feats. People say things like "Look Slade overpowered Starfire!" and no one brings up the fact that Starfire had "the strength of 8 men!" when it happened in those early issues, a far cry from her current class 100 power levels. Same thing with Flash's speed, the Titans weren't nearly as powerful then as they are now, and Flash wasn't nearly as fast. Sure, there is more current examples like the one from v3 when Jericho took over Slade's body and went on a rampage on the Titans and tagged Impulse, but even in that story arc Bart's speed was said to be speed of sound.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
There is a lot of selective memory at work with Deathstroke feats. People say things like "Look Slade overpowered Starfire!" and no one brings up the fact that Starfire had "the strength of 8 men!" when it happened in those early issues, a far cry from her current class 100 power levels. Same thing with Flash's speed, the Titans weren't nearly as powerful then as they are now, and Flash wasn't nearly as fast. Sure, there is more current examples like the one from v3 when Jericho took over Slade's body and went on a rampage on the Titans and tagged Impulse, but even in that story arc Bart's speed was said to be speed of sound.

Captain America wins.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
No it wasn't Barts speed was certainly not the speed of sound. Bart faced up against Flash like a few issues later. You are mistaken. and when im talking about him facing the flash im not talking the earlier issues when he was sound speed im talking post speed force discovery like identity crisis and what not. you seem to be the one having selective memory dude. but like i said earlier we should stop talking about DS vs Cap here. theres a thread specifically for that.

Deathstroke himself said Bart was cable of speed of sound when he knee capped him in that story arc. Now obviously that isn't consistent with Bart's speed, but he was nerfed in the issue so Deathstroke wouldn't get steam rolled. It happens, Cheshire has beaten Jessie Quick and she is supposed to be 50% light speed.

In Identity Crisis, Deathstroke stood perfectly still... and Slade ran into his sword.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Deathstroke himself said Bart was cable of speed of sound when he knee capped him in that story arc. Now obviously that isn't consistent with Bart's speed, but he was nerfed in the issue so Deathstroke wouldn't get steam rolled. It happens, Cheshire has beaten Jessie Quick and she is supposed to be 50% light speed.

In Identity Crisis, Deathstroke stood perfectly still... and Slade ran into his sword.

How Captain America relates to a character who has been established as being superior to Batman, is almost certainly relevant to a thread determining whether or not Steve himself is superior to Batman. But the issue has been beat into the mud by now, so we can move on to something else.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
Exactly..the point im trying to make is that tagging Flash and kid flash is far more impressive than being able to tag Quicksilver.

Only if you know the speed level they were going at that particular time. So no it isn't.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
There is one major difference though that you seem to forget...Kid Flash is eons faster than Quicksilver is.I think that would make a huge difference. Kid flash can lightspeed whilst Quicksilver most notably cannot in those scans.

Yes your right they can travel at light speed. But can you prove that he was at that level when being tagged by Slade?

So it becomes a moot point since I've seen even Batman tag flash to even Nightwing.

At least with Cap's laser time scenes we know the speed that those travel. Hence why its more accurate high end feats and trumps Slade's feat since we don't know how much speed there going at the time, making those feats less impressive.

lol dodging lasers is nothing. Slade deflects them with his sword.

Flashes are faster than qs....therefore they move faster normally. Trying to say the werent because no one stated a particular speed in the scene is idiotic. Grasping for cap as usual.

Idk why you think bringing up pis instances where batman and nightwing tagged flash can discredit slade. He does it all the time.....consistently.....not like those two. You cant negate whats established on panel time and again

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Again I asked for speed feats that are greater subby. Him tagging kid flash after distracting him with the knife has no quantification because we don't know how fast Kid was going. Its no differeent then Cap countering Quick Silver. And Slade being as fast as Mercury is no different then Cap being compared to the speed of Quicksilver. Even Batman and Nightwing have done the same....LOL. Cap's done the same to Quick Silver. And been stated to have the speed of Quicksilver.

Cap impresses Quicksilver with his speed.
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/8775/avengersv101707jx5.jpg

Cap fights a freak that compares Cap's speed to Quiksilver.(That same guy tagged QSilver.
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1369/avengersv103716lx9.jpg

Cap counters Quicksilver himself.
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/2128/avengersv102203bf3.jpg

Cap runs past Daredevil like he's a breeze. DD attests that Cap is faster then himself.
http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=daredevil23314bt0.jpg

Heck Cap has Laser time scenes.

Cap with metal glove blocks random energy beams, definitely fast hand speed.
http://img474.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers17004yb3.jpg

Cap dodges beams unders zero gravity.
http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv123516rougherpv4.jpg
http://img421.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv123518rougherbg7.jpg

Like I said come back when you have some real superior speed feats.

You ask me to show feats. When i do instead of matching or exceed them you come up with excuses for why mine are invalid. You such a hypocrite that it not even funny.

Originally posted by namorsubby
lol dodging lasers is nothing. Slade deflects them with his sword.

Flashes are faster than qs....therefore they move faster normally. Trying to say the werent because no one stated a particular speed in the scene is idiotic. Grasping for cap as usual.

Idk why you think bringing up pis instances where batman and nightwing tagged flash can discredit slade. He does it all the time.....consistently.....not like those two. You cant negate whats established on panel time and again

What Slade does constantly is anticipate where the Flash will be, attack there and have Flash runs into his attack. He only has two legitimate examples of tagging a member of the Flash Family on pure speed. One is a dated example when Kid Flash was much slower, and one is an instance where Impulse was stated to be capable of sonic speed... and that example was accomplished by Jericho in Slade's body. Slade's propensity to hit the Flash has little to do with speed, you should be happy that there is a reasonable explanation at all for why he can do it, or we would have to outright ignore them like the Batman examples. He can calculate and anticipate the movements of a predictable jobbing Flash, but he still has trouble with streets because his ability to hit the Flash has nothing to do with speed.

how can you even say that someone hitting the flash has nothing to do with speed? That is the stupidest thing ive ever heard. Jericho possessing slade didnt boost him at all. Stop lying. Just because slade said kf runs around at the speed of sound doesnt mean he was limited to that....that logic is so stupid. Your fabricated logic is nonsense srank. Look at whats on panel and stop trying to interpret it every way but the obvious way. I know that would be detrimental to your argument....but youd be a smarter poster for it.

Slade outmaneuvering flashes in anyway is a speed feat. Slade has to movefast enough to even make any kind of action that will effect a flash. All his instances with the flash are speed feats which are consistent. Bringing up lower showings means absolutely nothing.

Originally posted by namorsubby
how can you even say that someone hitting the flash has nothing to do with speed? That is the stupidest thing ive ever heard. Jericho possessing slade didnt boost him at all. Stop lying. Just because slade said kf runs around at the speed of sound doesnt mean he was limited to that....that logic is so stupid. Your fabricated logic is nonsense srank. Look at whats on panel and stop trying to interpret it every way but the obvious way. I know that would be detrimental to your argument....but youd be a smarter poster for it.

Slade outmaneuvering flashes in anyway is a speed feat. Slade has to movefast enough to even make any kind of action that will effect a flash. All his instances with the flash are speed feats which are consistent. Bringing up lower showings means absolutely nothing.

Because I read comics and I'm not going to create a separate set of criteria to analyze Deathstroke's feats then what we use for everyone else. Deathstroke doesn't hit Flash because he is fast enough to hit Flash, he hit's Flash because Flash jobs and Slade is able to anticipate his movements. It has nothing to do with his innate speed levels, just like Batman hitting Flash has nothing to do with Bruce's speed. Slade has trouble with Nightwing's speed, in a forum fight he can't hit the Flash.

Originally posted by Bentley
So according to you it isn't any more impressive to tag a light-speedster than to tag an match 2 speedster?

So that's a yes, you're saying that Flash was moving at lightspeed when Slade tagged him and thus Slade has lightspeed reactions.

Thank you for making your stance clear.

you are such a hypocrite srank......i swear. You cant holler pis when hes been doint it since day 1 and ALWAYS does it. You defend wolverine when people say he shouldnt be able to fight bricks for the same reason.

Stop bringing up nw. Slade is obviously faster and both acknowledge it. Stop bringing up tthat he has a hard time with street levelers. Because you know good and damn well that slade isnt even trying to beat them half the time.....and they never beat him even then. You insist on mentioning low showings and instances with extinuating circumstances as if that is his true power level when you have a whole heap of comic evidence staring you in the face that contradict it. Streets cant give a slade whos serious trouble. They cant even beat him when hes only concerned with his mission. Hes a league above them.