Captain America vs Batman(no shield-no gadgets)

Originally posted by namorsubby
you are such a hypocrite srank......i swear. You cant holler pis when hes been doint it since day 1 and ALWAYS does it. You defend wolverine when people say he shouldnt be able to fight bricks for the same reason.

Stop bringing up nw. Slade is obviously faster and both acknowledge it. Stop bringing up tthat he has a hard time with street levelers. Because you know good and damn well that slade isnt even trying to beat them half the time.....and they never beat him even then. You insist on mentioning low showings and instances with extinuating circumstances as if that is his true power level when you have a whole heap of comic evidence staring you in the face that contradict it. Streets cant give a slade whos serious trouble. They cant even beat him when hes only concerned with his mission. Hes a league above them.

Those comparisons aren't even remotely similar. For starts Hulk was a class 100 brick when Wolverine first fought him. Kid Flash was not a light speed capable speedster when Slade fist fought him. Secondly Wolverine doesn't shrug of class 100 punches 1/10, then go around getting laid out by street level opponents the other 9 times. The majority of Wolverine's appearances depict him operating on his brick fighting damage soak levels and he has almost never been koed by a street, and their are circumstances behind all the times he has been. Alternatively the majority of Slade's appearances are of him fighting peak human level streets, with few examples of him tagging the Flash intermittently sprinkled in.

Captain America has eaten dozens of class 100 punches in his career. He has shrugged off uppercuts from an enraged Namor. Is Captain America durable enough to take a single blow from a class 100 in a forum match without being reduced to a fine jelly? No, of course not, the fact that he has done it on panel many times is irrelevant. Batman has koed Wonder Woman with a kick. Deathstroke has tagged the Flash. These are comic tropes that we have been given explanations for dozens of time. Streets don't get killed by Bricks because they "roll with the blow," it has nothing to do with durability. Streets can ko Bricks because they are skilled enough to exploit pressure points, nerve bundles and weakness in humanoid anatomy, it has nothing to do with strength. Streets can hit speedsters because the can anticipate their movements and lead them into an attack, it has nothing to do with speed. This stuff is well established. These are the types of examples we tropes that the forum rules were established to deal with. Obviously you'd love to re-write them to benefit Deathstroke, but that's not how things work.

We get it, Slade has lightspeed reactions.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So that's a yes, you're saying that Flash was moving at lightspeed when Slade tagged him and thus Slade has lightspeed reactions.

Thank you for making your stance clear.

Maybe you need to pay more attention. Even disregarding the speed they were going at, Bart has better reflexes and hence is more impressive to hit him. Why? He can correct his movement faster than QS, which by itself implies better speed.

I see, so you're not saying that Slade has lightspeed reactions, just above Quicksilver level reactions...right?

Originally posted by Silent Master
I see, so you're not saying that Slade has lightspeed reactions, just above Quicksilver level reactions...right?

Well, we are talking about Classic Quicksilver and Slade is still slower at movement speed, so add a little distraction and a little prediction and its not so much of a stretch. I mean, I've seen QS failing to take a turn because of his speed, it's possible to have him fail to dodge a sword by the same reason.

Originally posted by Bentley
Well, we are talking about Classic Quicksilver and Slade is still slower at movement speed, so add a little distraction and a little prediction and its not so much of a stretch. I mean, I've seen QS failing to take a turn because of his speed, it's possible to have him fail to dodge a sword by the same reason.

So, Slade's reations are slower than classic Quicksilver?

Originally posted by Silent Master
So, Slade's reations are slower than classic Quicksilver?

He should be somewhat slower than Classic QS in reflexes and certainly slower at movement speed. I haven't seen enough showings of DS to conclude entirely in one way or another though.

Somewhat slower than Classic QS in reactions, Hmmmm......So that would put Slade above Spider-man in reactions then, right

Originally posted by namorsubby
lol dodging lasers is nothing. Slade deflects them with his sword.

Flashes are faster than qs....therefore they move faster normally. Trying to say the werent because no one stated a particular speed in the scene is idiotic. Grasping for cap as usual.

Idk why you think bringing up pis instances where batman and nightwing tagged flash can discredit slade. He does it all the time.....consistently.....not like those two. You cant negate whats established on panel time and again

Prove they were moving faster then QS in that speed. Show me specifically were it states how fast the flashes were moving because I've seen Batman and Nightwing tag them as well. I see you have but vague evidence.

Aim blocking and laser time scenes there's a bit of a difference. But as usual you didn't really provide anything much greater. Other then your speculations that Flash is traveling faster then QS despite non-evidence of how fast there moving.

With Cap's recent low feat of not being able to take the Serpent, I'm going to lean towards Batman

Slade tags speedster because he has an uncanny sense of timing (very near if not perfect), not light speed reactions.....

Batmans feats prove hes more than physically comparable to steve. He also has more comic displayed evidence of martial arts training and knowledge.

Comic feats prove that Cap has the physical advantage and comparable skill

Steve. Always.

I've done this comparison with feats before. You simply post contradictory statements.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Steve. Always.

True, it's kind of hard to beat someone that has comparable skill + better stats.

Originally posted by Silent Master
True, it's kind of hard to beat someone that has comparable skill + better stats.

Physical superiority according to general feats(not one or two high end ones)? No.

You don't want to go the feat comparison route. You're ill equipped. You should stick to denial, sarcasm, and satire. It's more up your alley.

Even if he didn't have comparable skill (which he certainly does) Steve would edge this out solely on the immense Stat Increase.

Could you show me something that suggests such a large physical advantage by the way of feats. I've already seen virtually every cap feat and compared them with batmans on various occasions, so I know better, but you could atleast try.

I know for a fact that steve has far less comic evidence of training and knowledge. So he definitely has the skill edge.

Originally posted by Blight
Even if he didn't have comparable skill (which he certainly does) Steve would edge this out solely on the immense Stat Increase.

True.