Captain America vs Batman(no shield-no gadgets)

Originally posted by namorsubby
Could you show me something that suggests such a large physical advantage by the way of feats. I've already seen virtually every cap feat and compared them with batmans on various occasions, so I know better, but you could atleast try.

I know for a fact that steve has far less comic evidence of training and knowledge. So he definitely has the skill edge.

Captain America

Not sure how Batman is more skilled than Cap? Knowing more styles of combat doesn't make you more skilled as really, there's only so many ways to throw a punch or kick at someone. Seeing as how skill is just a catch-all term for how effective someone can attack, counter-attack, and defend, I'm having a difficult time seeing how Bruce is more skilled than Steve. And even if we decide Steve is more skilled than Bruce, it's not enough to overcome the disparity in physical attributes.

Said fight will be tough in virtually every match up, but it's still a match up that Steve would win virtually every time.

Bruce doesn't know more styles anyway.

According to the Super Soldier: Steve Rogers mini that came out a year or two ago, Steve was said to have known and mastered every form of combat on the planet iirc.

Batman has far more comic displayed evidence of ma training and knowledge. This is a fact. What other way could you determine comic skill level across companies (aka comic universes). He knows more style because hes been displayed learning and utilizing more styles in comics. This is fact.

Originally posted by namorsubby

[b]Strength:
1. batman lifts 1000lbs over his head:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/bat1000.jpg

2. Batman benches 600lbs of soil on a coffin door.......with a straight jacket on:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batripgrave1.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batripgrave2.jpg

3.batman rips a huge metal duct......which he is tied to:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batduct.jpg

4.rips out prison bars.......with so much force looks as if they have withered.lol:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batbars_halloween.jpg

5.bends the barrel of a gun with one hand:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batbend.jpg

Speed:

1.moving in between bullets:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/year2_batbulletdodge.jpg

2.outmanuvers kid flash, twice, lol:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batimplusegrab.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batvstitans2.jpg

3.ducks mind-controlled superman.....again, seriously? lol:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batsuperduck.jpg

4.dodges a sniper bullet simply by hearing it......with his back turned(he also immediately reacts with a batarang, which hits the sniper a long distance away):
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batfreezesniper1.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batfreezesniper2.jpg

5.blocks bullets......with his freakin hand:
http://s289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/?action=view&current=batbulletblock.jpg

I couldn't even find the one where he dodges super-girl's heat vision [/B]

Originally posted by namorsubby
Batmans feats prove hes more than physically comparable to steve. He also has more comic displayed evidence of martial arts training and knowledge.

No he doesn't. There isn't a large gap between Batman and Cap but its pretty obvious Cap is supposed to be superior. Going feat by feat is silly because most of the time the gap isn't big enough to really tell the difference. The main difference is the opponents that Cap faces its pretty obvious that Cap is supposed to be Batman +1.

Originally posted by namorsubby
Batman has far more comic displayed evidence of ma training and knowledge. This is a fact. What other way could you determine comic skill level across companies (aka comic universes). He knows more style because hes been displayed learning and utilizing more styles in comics. This is fact.

Seriously where those scans supposed to prove something. Did you just post scans of batman lifting 1000lb ceiling?

Originally posted by Deadline
No he doesn't. There isn't a large gap between Batman and Cap but its pretty obvious Cap is supposed to be superior. Going feat by feat is silly because most of the time the gap isn't big enough to really tell the difference. The main difference is the opponents that Cap faces its pretty obvious that Cap is supposed to be Batman +1.

Seriously where those scans supposed to prove something. Did you just post scans of batman lifting 1000lb ceiling?

Showing something is better than simply making unproven contradictory statements and criticizing what is shown without providing any proof yourself.

Originally posted by namorsubby
except for theres no way you can prove that there is any discernable gap between cap and bats physically with feats. Showing one extremely high end scan proves nothing. According to general feats cap has no advantage physically.

Showing something is better than simply making unproven contradictory statements and criticizing what is shown without providing any proof yourself.

Wait did you just post scans of batman lifting 1000lbs? You're not serious are you?

Thats not the only thing I posted. 600 lbs in a straight jacket, with dehydrated muscles.

Cap.

Batman fights dirty, so if he can score several cheap shots he should win, but if he fought with honor, I could see him be dominated after a good fight. Cap has more stamina and all.

Originally posted by Stoic
Batman fights dirty, so if he can score several cheap shots he should win, but if he fought with honor, I could see him be dominated after a good fight. Cap has more stamina and all.

What cheap shots could he possibly perform that Steve couldn't counter or hasn't seen before?

What feats could you possibly post to show that cap is displayed physically superior on a regular basis? Batman is definitely a smarter fighter and more skilled.

Originally posted by namorsubby
What feats could you possibly post to show that cap is displayed physically superior on a regular basis? Batman is definitely a smarter fighter and more skilled.

Quite a few.

And how is Batman more skilled than Steve? All skill is is a combination of reflexes, effectiveness, and knowing how to hit without being hit back. Simply knowing x amount of martial arts doesn't make you more skilled than someone who prefers utilizing a single form, let alone the fact that Steve has been stated, numerous times at that, to have mastered virtually every form of combat known to man.

Batman being a "flashier" fighter than Captain America doesn't make him more skilled.

You couldn't prove that with feats. I've seen virtually all of them anyway. The whole physical superiority thing is nothing but kmc propaganda, but batmans ma prowess being much more thoroughly documented on panel is all fact.

Going with Cap.

Originally posted by namorsubby
You couldn't prove that with feats. I've seen virtually all of them anyway. The whole physical superiority thing is nothing but kmc propaganda, but batmans ma prowess being much more thoroughly documented on panel is all fact.

Not sure how on panel feats are "KMC propaganda"...?

Also not sure how or what you're basing Batman being more skilled than Captain America on outside of claiming he's more skilled.

Like ive said multiple times, theres nothing you or anyone else can show me on panel to suggest that cap has a general advantage physically. Instead of actually attempting to, everybody just says so in supposedly persuasive manner, most likely due to the fact that they haven't even bothered to actually figure out for themselves, but rather just listening to the general opinion floating around kmc.

It's simple. Batmans ma knowledge and training along with showcase of different styles is much more displayed on panel. In other words, cap has a few statements in comics to support his ma prowess, while bruce has several instances of him being shown displaying and learning different martial arts.

Originally posted by namorsubby
Batman is definitely a smarter fighter and more skilled.