Captain America vs Batman(no shield-no gadgets)

This is how Batman handles his physically superior counter parts:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/4/12sd1.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/4/23ub.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/4/38be.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/4/46xl.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/4/51bw.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/210/60eu.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/248/72zh.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/248/87mw.jpg/

This is how Cap does it:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/Avengersv384-OnceanInvader03-15.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/Avengersv384-OnceanInvader03-16.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/Avengersv384-OnceanInvader03-17.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/Avengersv384-OnceanInvader03-20.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/Avengersv384-OnceanInvader03-21.jpg

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Originally posted by srankmissingnin
This is how Batman handles his physically superior counter parts:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/4/12sd1.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/4/23ub.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/4/38be.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/4/46xl.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/4/51bw.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/210/60eu.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/248/72zh.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/248/87mw.jpg/

This is how Cap does it:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/Avengersv384-OnceanInvader03-15.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/Avengersv384-OnceanInvader03-16.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/Avengersv384-OnceanInvader03-17.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/Avengersv384-OnceanInvader03-20.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/Avengersv384-OnceanInvader03-21.jpg

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Always wanted to see Cap vs US Agent.

Nice feat. Bats trouble with Az isn't only pure strength though, that armor is a factor (His Bat variation armor took tremendous abuse from Nightwing.)

Batman can beat down his physical superiors too:

Originally posted by namorsubby
The heli thing is an assisted feat, period.

Those building scans are in no way visibly inferior. I'm sick of you nitwits making finite weight estimations based on looking at comic book illustrations. It's plain retarded. And do you really think cap can hold up "countless tons"? If you do, youre even more dense than I thought. Also, the dialogue makes it clear the that the shield helped. Of course you'll deny it, but it's there
for anyone to read.

If youre gonna just lie every time youre wrong this is pointless. The plate says 500. Its one of four on that side. Again with those idiotic calculations based on nothing. 1050 at most? You dont know the weight of the other plates and according to you not even the one that reads 500. So how do you know what it could be at most, dumbass?

He wrestled two cape buffalos to the ground. Your sacophagus info is inaccurate. I checked several sites which plainly say that on average they can weigh 3000 or more. If you actually look at the scans you see that these are actually much larger than a body. use bruces or the guards as reference.

The Helicopter feat is not an assisted feat, period. So says the laws of physics, and all reasonable men.

The shield prevent Captain America from being crushed under the momentum of the failing building, it didn't help him support the weight of said debris after the fact. Captain America's feats on this mater are clearly superior. Batman managed to briefly support the weight of a single overhang with the ad of a support beam. Captain America managed to support the weight of layers and layers of steel. Figure it out.

There are two plates on either side. A large one and a small one. The plates have protruding rims. The larger plate has illegible writing on it that several could be interpreted as a 500, or a 300. The smaller weights are likely 25s based on their size. How do I know that it is at most 1050? Basic math. 500 + 500 + 25 +25. Dumbass.

For the ten thousandth time, 3000lbs is the weight of the entire ****ing sarcophagus you addlebrained mongoloid, the examples you are citing are the inner most coffin!!!!! That section of the sarcophagus only weights a couple hundred pounds, King Tuts was made of solid gold and weighed 110.4 kilograms... and that was rare. Please, for the love of god, read this this article! http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/tutcoffins.htm. It's the same f@cking article you got your damn figures from, but would you please read the damn thing in its entirety so you have a clue what you are talking about. Please.

Originally posted by cdtm
Always wanted to see Cap vs US Agent.

Nice feat. Bats trouble with Az isn't only pure strength though, that armor is a factor (His Bat variation armor took tremendous abuse from Nightwing.)

Batman can beat down his physical superiors too:

USAgent doesn't need armor. Cap's said Walker is 10x his own strength and he can put Cap down with one clean blow... Cap's just two damn good. He's even caught Walker's punch and dropped him by using the pressure points on his hands.

Despero's possession amps his target, and I think it might give them telepathy as well.

Originally posted by Dream Stuff
Educated guesses require useful information. The only information anyone seems interested in is that "it's a skyscraper." That is not useful. It has utterly no bearing on quantifying this strength feat.

And saying "Cap held up a skyscraper" is horribly misleading. It makes me think of this

Ok I didn't say he held up a skyscraper and even if somebody did common sense tells you not literially.

Don't care, if namor is allowing his Batman building thing were using the skyscraper.

Originally posted by namorsubby
The heli thing is an assisted feat, period.

Well if you mean he planted his foot on the car seat then yes. Thats like saying bodybuilders how pull lorries along the ground are assisted because they are digging their feet into the ground.

I posted a broken link, here is the working one:

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/tutcoffins.htm

If you can't be bothered to read the whole thing Subby, then scroll down to the section The Innermost Coffin (no. 255)

Originally posted by Deadline
Well if you mean he planted his foot on the car seat then yes. Thats like saying bodybuilders how pull lorries along the ground are assisted because they are digging their feet into the ground.

Seriously. It merely allows him to get some extra leverage from his lower body. It doesn't form the Dragonball Z fusion dance with the car.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
USAgent doesn't need armor. Cap's said Walker is 10x his own strength and he can put Cap down with one clean blow... Cap's just two damn good. He's even caught Walker's punch and dropped him by using the pressure points on his hands.

Despero's possession amps his target, and I think it might give them telepathy as well.

When has it stated that Despero's possession amps it's target?

@namorusbby By the way 600lbs in street level terms is a pile of shit. Everbody uses leverage when they throw and lift but if you want to argue that Batman wasn't using any assistance when throwing man-bat thats because 600lbs is rubbish.

Heres Cap lifting then chucking Big Bertha who weighs 750lbs. Its easy for him.

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/2332/wca06420ny8.jpg
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/3863/wca06421nj4.jpg

My point really is weight around 600lbs-800lbs is nothing.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'm pretty both have those scans have been posted more than once in this thread so far. I was mistaken about the curl though, it was actually 500lbs, but Captain America wasn't powerless... or at least not in the way I implied. It was after he lost his 10 ton strength amp, and could toss around the top of the statue of liberty.

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/1125/curl500tu1.jpg

http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/5/5a/Captain_America_Benchpress.jpg

Jesus Christ. Captain America was not attached to the car. He used his leg to brace himself [b]so he could get more use out of the muscles in his legs and lower back.Putting his leg on the seat doesn't meld him into the car, if he wasn't strong enough to pull the Helicopter down on his own volition... he would still have been yanked clean out of the back seat regardless of the placement of his leg. The act doesn't put the moment of the car behind Cap, it simply allows him to get some more leverage from using the muscles in his legs.[/B]

If you avoid the questions then that means you know I'm right but are trying to save face for prideful reasons.

You have proven anything, what you did is list some unverified numbers. Numbers that a structural engineer didn't agree with. And on another note, that pipe isn't steel. The material it is made off depends on the age of the building and what sort of heating system it has in place, but it is most likely cast iron (if the building is old and relies on steam heating and radiators), or a high grade aluminum alloy if the heating is more modern.

You need a level of precision to implement pressure points in combat against a skilled combatant of Captain America's caliber that Bruce has never demonstrated. Few characters have.

this is the funniest shit ever

So while Bruce lands a "lucky pressure point", Steve is just, what? Standing there saluting Old Glory?

Thread went full retard pages ago.

Originally posted by h1a8
You don't understand basic physics. You can't pull anything if you don't have something to pull against.

The car fills the same role as the f@cking ground does normally. Captain America isn't aided by the car anymore than a power lifter is aided by the surface of the earth.

Originally posted by h1a8
Cap will simply be pulled out of the car if he didn't brace against the seats.

Bracing against the back seat affords Captain America extra leverage, and use of the stronger muscles of his lower body. That's it. It doesn't add the momentum of the car to his pull. If Captain America wasn't physically strong enough to overpower the Helicopter when the line goes taut, then he would have been yanked clean free of the car regardless of where his leg happened to be situated.

Originally posted by h1a8
If Cap didn't brace against the seat then will the helicopter have pulled him out of the car?

No.

Originally posted by h1a8
If Cap was glued to a skateboard then would he be able to pull down a helicopter?"

Assuming the skateboard doesn't break under the strain then yes, he'd pull down the helicopter. The car doesn't matter, Captain America pulled the helicopter down of his own volition, what he is standing on is irrelevant.

Originally posted by h1a8
If you avoid the questions then that means you know I'm right but are trying to save face for prideful reasons.

They were stupid questions.

Originally posted by h1a8
unverified numbers? What? Look in any strength of material book, hell it's everywhere online. I'll even post you a site myself. The pipe is structural steel, not cast iron (which rusts like hell), and not high grade aluminum either. The structural engineer didn't disagree that the material was structural steel. He just doesn't think it was 1cm thick that's all. From the scan it looks like the pipe is about 1cm thick.

It's a rooftop ventilation pipe, it's not made out of structural steel, and it's not a 1/3 of an inch think. Hence: unverified numbers.

If it's an old building with a boiler and hot water convection using steam for heat, then that pipe is cast iron. The fact that they rust easily and deteriorate is what would have allowed Batman to tear it free of it's roof top fittings. If it's a newer building, then it's almost certainly a high grade aluminum. You couldn't hang a ton off that pipe with out ripping it clear of the roof, let a long a truck.

Originally posted by h1a8
Every hear of a combo? Bat can land a lucky hit that will momentarily jar Cap and then he can easily apply pressure points before Cap comes to. Or Bats can simply counter with a pressure point strike.

Originally posted by h1a8
Every hear of a combo? Bat can land a lucky hit that will momentarily jar Cap and then he can easily apply pressure points before Cap comes to. Or Bats can simply counter with a pressure point strike.

the difference is that you only heard about combos, i actually get to work with those every day as part of my training, and you know what kind of exciting things i can tell you about the combo world? your opponent doesnt stand and look at you like a retard while you try to combo him he actually moves and fights back 🙄

Cap is stronger faster more skilled more durable got by faaarrrr more damage soak and basically outmatch batman in every single thing physically, batman in order to put steve down needs a long ass combo and steve standing dead cold, steve on the other hand probably needs 1 good shot in order to stun batman and uppercut him for the KO thats how the fight will go down

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Then imagine that on top of his superior stats Deathstroke was also a better fight than Batman.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Dick's faster, more agile and more elusive than Bruce, which has afforded him opportunities to capitalize on Slade's inferior hand to hand combat skills and make Slade look like a rank amateur while Dick dances around him and lands unanswered blow after blow.

This is just a couple of glaring ones I saw in consecutive posts of your bullshit.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
USAgent doesn't need armor. Cap's said Walker is 10x his own strength and he can put Cap down with one clean blow... Cap's just two damn good. He's even caught Walker's punch and dropped him by using the pressure points on his hands.

Despero's possession amps his target, and I think it might give them telepathy as well.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
USAgent doesn't need armor. Cap's said Walker is 10x his own strength and he can put Cap down with one clean blow... Cap's just two damn good. He's even caught Walker's punch and dropped him by using the pressure points on his hands.

Despero's possession amps his target, and I think it might give them telepathy as well.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Despero's mindrape amps characters? Where did you learn that? Btaman wasn't possessed by despero's spirit, he was just in mental control of batman.

Originally posted by Juntai
Also Batman's completely owned Aquaman, who is by far Slade and even Hawkman's superior physically.

But all of that is PIS, don't you know? Yet, cap holding a portion of a sky scrapper isn't.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Really? Scans?

But all of that is PIS, don't you know? Yet, cap holding a portion of a sky scrapper isn't.

there is a difference, Cap holding portion of the sky scrapper isnt PIS because Cap during his entire history displayed great feats of strength when needed, he was able to do super human physical tasks when on the edge of danger and specially if other people are in danger thats part of the character

however Batman being able to defeat aquaman contredicts the entire character of arthur and just take a big piss on him, if anyone thinks Batman beating aquaman is legit then......