Captain America vs Batman(no shield-no gadgets)

Originally posted by namorsubby
Everyone seems to be over-looking the fact that bruce displays much more martial arts versality, knowledge, and evidence of training. It's a much a fact as caps edge in stamina according to comics. Bruce is more skilled.

You keep saying that without providing any proof, as already explained just because you reference what martial you use all the time doesn't mean you know more or are a better martial artist. In that case Punisher is more skilled than Karate Kid...he isn't.

Cap's faster, stronger, has a healing factor, and is an actual legit bullet timer, and he doesn't fight like he's out of some Far East Asia wank movie from the late 80s-early 90s.

Skill is determined by what you've been shown to have been taught and then utilized. Batman has many more instances of training, ma versatility, and knowledge.

Skill is determined how well you can use your offense while stifling the opponent's offense.

That's it.

It's not about how many technique names you can rattle off your tongue that some hermit in some remote corner of the globe supposedly taught you.

Bruce Lee would agree.

False. physical characteristics come into play when fighting. Skill is simply knowledge taught and displayed.

This is why 'skill', as I said, unquantifiable and meaningless by itself.

You can't win fights with knowledge. You need actual physical prowess.

If you don't have good reflexes, good speed, or good hand-eye-coordination, are you a good fighter? Hell no you aren't. It doesn't matter what motions you've repeated.

This is why the word 'skill' in all fights, should be replaced with a more meaningful term like 'combat effectiveness'.

Is Batman the more combat effective fighter? Hell No.

Skill isn't how much you know, it's how well you use what you know.

'Skill' is meaningless.

Results are what determines if you are a formidable fighter or not. Period.

Batman perhaps being shown in more instances of working on specific techniques or styles in practice, is thus meaningless to the discussion.

Skill is not meaningless. You simply have incorrectly defined it.

According to your definition more powerful beings like the hulk etc are more "skilled" than steve and bruce. They can easily stifle their offense due to being invulnerable to it. They can put them down with their offense by being much more than strong enough to do so. Simply beating another in a physical confrontation does not make an opponent more skilled.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
[B]'Skill' is meaningless.

Results are what determines if you are a formidable fighter or not. Period.

What, like knocking out Hulk? Or maybe beating on Iron Fist?

With arguments like those, I guess Mr. "SvsF" Spidey and Squirrel Girl are the pinnacle of skilled. 🙄

Originally posted by namorsubby
Skill is not meaningless. You simply have incorrectly defined it.

According to your definition more powerful beings like the hulk etc are more "skilled" than steve and bruce. They can easily stifle their offense due to being invulnerable to it. They can put them down with their offense by being much more than strong enough to do so. Simply beating another in a physical confrontation does not make an opponent more skilled.

Note, that my definition specifically clarified 'hit and not be hit', for the purpose of combat efficiency.

Hulk is not combat efficient, but absolutely Hulk is a more formidable fighter, than either Cap and Batman.

Originally posted by cdtm
What, like knocking out Hulk? Or maybe beating on Iron Fist?

With arguments like those, I guess Mr. "SvsF" Spidey and Squirrel Girl are the pinnacle of skilled. 🙄

Squirrel Girl is definitely the most skilled person out there.

Using your powerset well is skill in and of itself.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Cap's faster, stronger, has a healing factor, and is an actual legit bullet timer

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Originally posted by CosmicComet
Squirrel Girl is definitely the most skilled person out there.

Using your powerset well is skill in and of itself.

That was snarkier than I intended..

The problem with Cap, is he's like the street version of Superman, in that he's pretty regularly protected, and has a fair amount of PIS thrown his way in the bargain..

Which muddies the waters both when trying to gauge who can beat him, because he's so rarely allowed to lose. Even someone like Deadpool, who you'd expect to at least give him a good fight, only lands an attack from happenstance and than runs like hell..

Cap is the Triple H of Marvel comics, basically..

Originally posted by batdude123
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Originally posted by CosmicComet
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Originally posted by batdude123

Sorry.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Note, that my definition specifically clarified 'hit and not be hit', for the purpose of combat efficiency.

Hulk is not combat efficient, but absolutely Hulk is a more [b]formidable fighter, than either Cap and Batman. [/B]

you are simply wrong.

Can you define what makes a character skilled?