Originally posted by cdtmthat is not why, smart guy.
Blood transfusions actually enhance endurance.That's why professional bikers get blood transfusions before those marathon bike rides.
what they do is workout prior to the blood transfusion some even sleep in pressure chambers to raise their oxygen levels and then they have their blood removed and stored and reinsert the oxygenated blood back into their system right before the run boosting their oxygen level and reducing fatigue
the average person isnt going to feel rejuvenated right after a blood transfusion. if anything they might feel woozy and weird.
Originally posted by Nietzschean
that is not why, smart guy.what they do is workout prior to the blood transfusion some even sleep in pressure chambers to raise their oxygen levels and then they have their blood removed and stored and reinsert the oxygenated blood back into their system right before the run boosting their oxygen level and reducing fatigue
the average person isnt going to feel rejuvenated right after a blood transfusion. if anything they might feel woozy and weird.
I see..
I only knew about it because of a biker fanatic friend, but he didn't go into details.
And I changed my post because it sounds more like we're talking about hemodialysis than transfusion, if his blood was filtered to remove the SSS..
You still here?
Originally posted by cdtm
He got his butt handed to him by the sisters. 😕He kept complaining how his younger body didn't react the same way his adult, and the closest he came to "holding his own" was with ambush attacks and throwing sand, than running like hell.
One of the sisters even outright said she was toying with him. And who wouldn't? He was a scrawny kid, anyone would underestimate him...
Actually I don't remember anybody saying they were toying with him. In fact they were trying to kill him slowly, they were just leaving the final blow to Sister Midnight.
Yes he held his own conisdering the circumstance.
1. He was very old.
2. Couldn't see properly because of the bright light. ( At one point said he could barely keep his eyes open)
3. Started the fight strapped to a table but still managed to evade an attack.
4. Evaded attacks from another sister after that.
Originally posted by cdtm
I see..I only knew about it because of a biker fanatic friend, but he didn't go into details.
And I changed my post because it sounds more like we're talking about hemodialysis than transfusion, if his blood was filtered to remove the SSS..
Look after the blood transfusion, He was told that he should have been resting. The point was having a blood transfusion doesn't leave you 100%.
Originally posted by Bentley
... Or more Black Panther comics.Eh, frankly I don't recall it and I don't have a particular agenda, so let's not further derail the thread. I don't appreciate to be called troll only because I contended one of your points, admittedly it came a bit from the left field because I haven't been posting until recently, but troll is a bit harsh.
Whatever, provide proof. Cap has lots of good showings without the SSS.
I'm overly sensitive about being called troll over nothing and then having the guy to whatever me. There is no point on having any debate if we're not civil, right? I actually respect you as a poster and appreciate your past debates, I'd like to think you can give me the same benefit of doubt.
That said, the burden of proof is on you, you're the one who assumes Steve can beat the likes of SSS Red Skull and Black Panther without the Serum after having troubles against them with the Serum.
Originally posted by Deadline
You still here?Actually I don't remember anybody saying they were toying with him. In fact they were trying to kill him slowly, they were just leaving the final blow to Sister Midnight.
Yes he held his own conisdering the circumstance.
1. He was very old.
2. Couldn't see properly because of the bright light. ( At one point said he could barely keep his eyes open)
3. Started the fight strapped to a table but still managed to evade an attack.
4. Evaded attacks from another sister after that.
I think we're talking about two different stories.
The one I'm thinking of had Sersi regress him to a pre SSS state. He was quite the opposite of "very old".
And while he was 15 years old, versions of Robin have been around that age, and any one of them would have cleaned up the Sisters of Sin.
While Cap, he struggled with basic underlings. He couldn't even stop two of the sisters from putting him in a wooden box.
Originally posted by Bentley
I'm overly sensitive about being called troll over nothing and then having the guy to whatever me. There is no point on having any debate if we're not civil, right? I actually respect you as a poster and appreciate your past debates, I'd like to think you can give me the same benefit of doubt.
Ok I apologise.
Originally posted by Bentley
That said, the burden of proof is on you, you're the one who assumes Steve can beat the likes of SSS Red Skull and Black Panther without the Serum after having troubles against them with the Serum.
Don't think I said that. I'm refering to him being murdered by Batman in h2h. No way am I going to argue Steve beats BP without the serum.
Originally posted by cdtm
I think we're talking about two different stories.The one I'm thinking of had Sersi regress him to a pre SSS state. He was quite the opposite of "very old".
And while he was 15 years old, versions of Robin have been around that age, and any one of them would have cleaned up the Sisters of Sin.
While Cap, he struggled with basic underlings. He couldn't even stop two of the sisters from putting him in a wooden box.
Ok your're just going to have to do better than that. That one showing doesn't contradict the other good ones.
Originally posted by Deadline
Don't think I said that. I'm refering to him being murdered by Batman in h2h. No way am I going to argue Steve beats BP without the serum.
I don't see Steve without the Serum winning against Batman, but he would put up a serious fight -better than someone like Hawkeye, for example-. Do you think Batman would win the majority?
Originally posted by Bentley
I don't see Steve without the Serum winning against Batman, but he would put up a serious fight -better than someone like Hawkeye, for example-. Do you think Batman would win the majority?
A counter question for you: Do you feel even without the SSS, Cap is on Batmans tier? (As you can be one or two tier below someone, and still give them a serious fight. Odin vs Galactus, for example.)
Could, say, Tim Drake give him a serious fight? Or Dick in his Robin days?
Originally posted by Bentley
I don't see Steve without the Serum winning against Batman, but he would put up a serious fight -better than someone like Hawkeye, for example-. Do you think Batman would win the majority?
Assuming equal bodies, and not 80lbs panty waist Cap, Steve takes the slight majority.
Originally posted by cdtm
A counter question for you: Do you feel even without the SSS, Cap is on Batmans tier? (As you can be one or two tier below someone, and still give them a serious fight. Odin vs Galactus, for example.)Could, say, Tim Drake give him a serious fight? Or Dick in his Robin days?
I think Steve can take on a less experienced Dick and take some wins out of Tim, maybe the majority. The latter I don't know that much, but I think Steve's experience would give him a solid edge.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Assuming equal bodies, and not 80lbs panty waist Cap, Steve takes the slight majority.
It is very hard to gauge Steve against Bruce in equal bodies, I'm just saying that Batman triumphs over a physically handicapped Cap soundly.
Originally posted by srankmissingninBasically you are saying that Cap is more skilled than Batman. I used to think so but now I know better. There is 0 proof of this, I dare you to even try to prove it. The SSS not only increased Cap's strength (which increased his agility and speed), but his stamina and reflexes. These ALL contribute to Cap's skill showings in comics.
Assuming equal bodies, and not 80lbs panty waist Cap, Steve takes the slight majority.
Originally posted by h1a8
Basically you are saying that Cap is more skilled than Batman. I used to think so but now I know better. There is 0 proof of this, I dare you to even try to prove it. The SSS not only increased Cap's strength (which increased his agility and speed), but his stamina and reflexes. These ALL contribute to Cap's skill showings in comics.
Except you don't know about his showings without it.
Originally posted by Bentley
I don't see Steve without the Serum winning against Batman, but he would put up a serious fight -better than someone like Hawkeye, for example-. Do you think Batman would win the majority?
To be quite honest with you could argue hes still more skillful than Batman without the SSS. Btter trained, more experience.
Showings without the SSS beat Crossbones (Crossbones was a beast back then, decimated Bullseye in h2h and could have killed him in 1 sec) fought The Serpent Society who took down Paladin etc. In fact after his fight with Crossbones he trained even harder. He fought Bushman who thought he was so strong he was going to rip out his artifical limb again ie Cap had fought Bushman with the SSS fought him without out and Bushman couldn't tell the difference and was crapping himself.
Showings against YellowJacket and Giant Man etc. In fact it looks like Cap was able to match the SSS through training, he just had to train harder, doubt he could replicate stamina though.
Originally posted by DeadlineExcept that his showings without it doesn't show his skill being beyond Bruce's.
Except you don't know about his showings without it.
No you can't. And Batman has more experience fighting skilled fighters. Cap has more experience fighting people with super powers. The only way you can argue that he is more skillful than Batman is to low ball Batman.To be quite honest with you could argue hes still more skillful than Batman without the SSS. Btter trained, more experience.
The super faulty ABC logic eh? Crossbones? Batman can beat Crossbones soundly. And without PIS Bullseye will get decimated by most top street levelers in h2h. This is a fact.Showings without the SSS beat Crossbones (Crossbones was a beast back then, decimated Bullseye in h2h and could have killed him in 1 sec) fought The Serpent Society who took down Paladin etc. In fact after his fight with Crossbones he trained even harder. He fought Bushman who thought he was so strong he was going to rip out his artifical limb again ie Cap had fought Bushman with the SSS fought him without out and Bushman couldn't tell the difference and was crapping himself.
Irrelevant. Cap beating those with powers have no bearing on how he would beat someone with with great fighting skill. You don't see me bringing up Batman beating the JL do you?Showings against YellowJacket and Giant Man etc. In fact it looks like Cap was able to match the SSS through training, he just had to train harder, doubt he could replicate stamina though.
Originally posted by h1a8
Except that his showings without it doesn't show his skill being beyond Bruce's.
You could make that argument.
Originally posted by h1a8
No you can't. And Batman has more experience fighting skilled fighters. Cap has more experience fighting people with super powers.
No he doesn't. Nazis are skilled fighters and people like Baron Zemo and Red Skull are even more skilled. Cap has more experince fighting both you really don't know anything about the character
Originally posted by h1a8The only way you can argue that he is more skillful than Batman is to low ball Batman. The super faulty ABC logic eh? Crossbones? Batman can beat Crossbones soundly.
So now you're just talking, if you say so
Originally posted by h1a8And without PIS Bullseye will get decimated by most top street levelers in h2h. This is a fact.
Irrelevant. Cap beating those with powers have no bearing on how he would beat someone with with great fighting skill. You don't see me bringing up Batman beating the JL do you?
Y'know what this guy is a joke, can't be bothered. Most of my post wasn't even directed to you....
Originally posted by DeadlineYou can't even make an argument that Cap is even equal or greater skill than Batman without the SSS. I dare you. Try! He has no showings without the SSS that's greater than Batman's best. NONE.
You could make that argument.
Nazis are fodder. Any street in comics would pawn multiples of them in h2h fighting.
No he doesn't. Nazis are skilled fighters and people like Baron Zemo and Red Skull are even more skilled. Cap has more experince fighting both you really don't know anything about the character
Baron Zemo and Red Skull are not top of the line grade A skilled h2h martial art combatants. Even if they were then those two don't mean that Cap has MORE experience that Batman. Batman has fought more times h2h against very skillful fighters than Cap has. Cap has fought more against people with powers than Batman has. At least you can say is that experience is a wash. But you said something clearly false and without proof that Cap has more experience fighting class A martial artists in h2h only.[/B][/QUOTE]