Captain America vs Batman(no shield-no gadgets)

Originally posted by Dizzle
Meh, I wouldn't call myself a fighting knowledge expert. Competent, yes, expert, no. Batman, yes. I'd agree that meditative arts probably wouldn't be combat effective though, thinking about it. I stand corrected. Oh, and I have heard extremely good things about Muay Thai. Though a friend of mine DID just send me a clip of a crazy Russian martial art... Likely BS, but absolutely hilarious.

Fighting isn't as black and white as "grappling wins". A pure grappler has an advantage over a pure striker, yes, but being a better grappler does not guarantee a win, as Chuck Liddell DOES show. He is a very competent grappler, though definitely not the best. He is predominantly a striker, but knows how to defend against take downs and such very well. In the long run, a good balance of everything rocks the house. As no one in either UFC nor Pride would get anywhere without being able to do both.

That said... we go back to Batman vs. Cap. Blending lots of styles gives variety. Some techniques are useful, some are not. Basing a mixed style largely on the more useful styles, but incorporating small elements from a wide variety gives more flexibility. Knowing 127 martial arts doesn't necessarily mean that one only uses one at a time, or that one cannot be battle effective, because some of those 127 are better than others. I'd say its just the opposite-more styles should ultimately enable one to be prepared for pretty much any situation or unorthodox style, while experience with fighting would help them to know what techniques are appropriate for any given situation.

Batman has both skills and experience in spades. He's proven time and again to be a very effective fighter, and he has fought martial artists who are enhanced beyond the levels of Captain America before. (coughZEISScough) Cap's nothing he hasn't defeated before, just as Batman isn't anything Cap's never seen. They're dead even. 5/10 each.

ey Dizz how old are ya if you don't mind me askin buddy?

Originally posted by unknowable
I knew that one, about chuck being difficult to take down, I know he can defend himself on the ground but I'm almost sure he's a better striker than wrestler, atleast that's how the announcers make it sound.
My bad, I have seen Fedor fight on the ground and he is relentless, though he was taken there it wasn't his doing, you probably saw the figght, I thought he broke his neck at first when this ripped black guy with died blonde hair suplexed him backwards, it was hard to look at in slow mo, but he survived and won with an arm lock.
Now his brother loves to strike, and I love his nonchalant demeanor he carries himself with, last time I saw him fight was a few weeks ago where he knocked this cock diesal lookin kikka out, like nothing. perhaps you saw it.

Originally posted by unknowable
I'd like Matt to lose cause he's a cocky son of a blank..
swears he's untouchable.

Originally posted by King KAM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocaine thats for what you said about crack

You know what's funny about this, how they give you every direction you need to begin your own little crack house,
down to the periodic formula for god's sake.
this freedom of information act is dangerous, lol..

Originally posted by King KAM
Fedor is a BEAST the Greatest heavyweight of all time, possibly the greatest of all time, but i have been saying this for a YEAR and nobody listened to me, lol. .

Do you think his brother has potential of being better? that's what their saying.

I gotta call it a night fellas, NYC time.
but Kam, Randy(the natural) & Chuck(iceman) 3, who's taking it?

Randy Couture is like the Michael Jordan of fighting, you just want him.

I have Chuck Again in the third fight i see randy as being at his peak while Chuck strove past his to win the next fight and he's going to win this one i think and matt hughes is very talented and confident but also cocky and that could be his undoing it sure was with B.J Penn and you should'nt have the belt in the first place he was out on his feet even he said so.

Originally posted by unknowable
Do you think his brother has potential of being better? that's what their saying.

Originally posted by unknowable
I gotta call it a night fellas, NYC time.
but Kam, Randy(the natural) & Chuck(iceman) 3, who's taking it?

Randy Couture is like the Michael Jordan of fighting, you just want him.

Originally posted by Dizzle
But he WAS working the whole time... Doing his normal rounds, jumping across buildings, hunting OMACs, the whole shebang. It shows that he won't be slowing down in this fight, as it certainly won't take days, or probably even hours, to finish. Neither are anywhere near durable enough for that. The point is not that it's as good as Cap's but that stamina won't be a deciding factor in this fight.

Originally posted by Dizzle
As I've shown, his speed and reactions are at least as good, if not better, than Cap's.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Batman says otherwise in their one fight,

Originally posted by Dizzle
but Batman's feats far outweigh Captain America's. Catching Green Arrow's arrow without looking, catching Impulse, etc.

The real Cap would’ve ended the fight right there. I wouldn’t put either one of those feats past Cap. The arrow thing’s cool, but catching Bart is good ol’ BatPIS(Cap can use PIS also from time to time.) Then again, that may be more of a “guess where he’ll be” feat than a speed feat. We all know he’s not as fast as Bart

Originally posted by Dizzle
His strength is extremely close, though likely a notch lower, but his technique and striking power are as good or better than Cap's which matters a heck of a lot more in a fight. Batman also knows many one hit kill moves, any of which could take Cap out very quickly. He'd likely block or avoid some of them, but how long can he dodge all of them, if Batman's really going for a KO?

Originally posted by Dizzle
Cap does win... About half. I'm by no means saying that Batman is better than Cap. They're evenly matched to the point where either could win on any given day. It's a complete tossup. 5/10 each.

Originally posted by Dizzle
More OHKO moves...

Knocks out a bouncer witha touch.

Originally posted by Dizzle
The final and best of Shiva's martial artists. Batman defeats him, and kills him using a strike that is designed to mimic a leopard bite. He literally drives each finer through the guy's face. KILLINATED.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Batman modifies one of Shiva's deadliest techniques, the vibrating palm strike, to KO a ninja. Originally, it would kill its target, but Batman changed it slightly to make it non-lethal. Imagine if he uses the real version on someone... ow...

Posted this already... A guy with invulnerability crashes through a wall at Batman. Due to his mystical unhurtableness, Batman's blows have no effect, but they are stated to be the 2 deadliest strikes in all of the fighting arts.

If Cap gets hit with a single one of these techniques, he dies. What the heck is being able to bench 1000 pounds gonna do now? 🙂

Originally posted by Dizzle
Respeck Batman.

Originally posted by King KAM
I said he is the Champ becuase whenever he fights h2h, he steps up to the plate, you CANT count cap out untill they throw hands, because when they do....i think cap will show us that he knows some top secret government special forces moves that They dont know, just like they know some mystic secret asian moves that he doesnt.

Originally posted by xkalybr
This is a damn good thread. Great scans!!!

I still say Batman would win. He is more ruthless, more strategic, more skilled than Cap.

The biggest factor in Batman's favor is his obsessiveness. The murder of his parents left a permanent scar that makes him do what he does.

If Batman were to lose the first fight with Cap, I am positive that Batman would never lose again. He would find a way to beat Cap each and every time. That is obsession.

Cap really hit a guy in the jaw and broke his neck???!??!?!?!

I still say Cap.

And you're still right.

Originally posted by King KAM
Cap really hit a guy in the jaw and broke his neck???!??!?!?!

Originally posted by brainchild81
Another "Batman will find a way" post 🙁

Why is that sad? How many times have you read a comic where Batman did exactly just that, "find a way to win" that his enemies did not conceive? That has to be added to the equation whenever Batman fights someone. His genius, strategic, and ruthless brain.

That is also not my only post I have written to this thread. This thread has many pages, so probably it was missed, but I said enough things, I feel, to back up my opinion that Batman would win in a fight vs Cap.
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Originally posted by xkalybr
Why is that sad? How many times have you read a comic where Batman did exactly just that, "find a way to win" that his enemies did not conceive? That has to be added to the equation whenever Batman fights someone. His genius, strategic, and ruthless brain.

That is also not my only post I have written to this thread. This thread has many pages, so probably it was missed, but I said enough things, I feel, to back up my opinion that Batman would win in a fight vs Cap.
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Captain America has the majority here.

Still alive.

Originally posted by brainchild81
That’s still not fighting the whole time. Stamina will be a factor if the fight lasts a while.
You’ve done nothing but prove that Bats is very fast. We knew that already Show me a Batman pic w/the Watcher or somebody like that saying “even Captain America isn’t fast enough to do this” & you’ll have something.

& for good reason too. Cap IS Faster.

And yet this guy got stolen by a Cap wannabe with a broken arm. Only one arm to dodge or block and he still got tagged.

The real Cap would’ve ended the fight right there. I wouldn’t put either one of those feats past Cap. The arrow thing’s cool, but catching Bart is good ol’ BatPIS(Cap can use PIS also from time to time.) Then again, that may be more of a “guess where he’ll be” feat than a speed feat. We all know he’s not as fast as Bart

Longer than Batman could ever throw them thanks to Cap’s superior speed and stamina

That looks nice, but I don’t honestly see Batman winning any. Cap’s a little bit better than Bats. He’d be a little bit better the 1st match. He’d be a little bit better the last match. Same for every match in between. Batman would need gadgets to beat Cap. Period.

He doesn’t look KOed to me. Hurt, but not KOed.

Damn. I didn’t know Bats killed people, was this retconned?

By itself, it would do nothing against a fighter on Batman’s level. Now add in superior speed, stamina, agility and the skills and smarts to use all of them to the utmost and it’s a win for the Captain. Cap simply won’t get hit with those techniques. Bats will probably have to spend most of this scrap on the defensive because he’s slower.

I do. I just know when he’s outclassed.

Cap once punched some dude in the jaw so hard he broke the guy’s neck.

can't wait till Dizz reads this.

😆 Me neither. Feel free to add something to the debate

Originally posted by xkalybr
Why is that sad? How many times have you read a comic where Batman did exactly just that, "find a way to win" that his enemies did not conceive? That has to be added to the equation whenever Batman fights someone. His genius, strategic, and ruthless brain.

Originally posted by xkalybr
By the way, I reread the Batman vs Spawn comic, and Batman held his own pretty good vs a more powerful opponent.

Cap goes down!!!

Originally posted by xkalybr
Let's face it, what Cap has achieved in taking the super soldier serum, Batman has achieved through extensive, obsessive, compulsive hard work.

A better statement would be

"Let's face it, what Cap has achieved in taking the super soldier serum, Batman has almost achieved through extensive, obsessive, compulsive hard work." Here's Batman. The most important parts are in red

Originally posted by JET2
He may bench press approximately 725 pounds and is the near-equal or equal of the world's best athlete in any Olympic event.

Originally posted by brainchild81

from MarvelDirectory.com
Abilities: Captain America has agility, strength, speed, endurance, and reaction time superior to any Olympic athlete who ever competed. The Super-Soldier formula that he has metabolized has enhanced all of his bodily functions to the peak of human efficiency. Notably, his body eliminates the excessive build-up of fatigue-producing poisons in his muscles, granting him phenomenal endurance.

Originally posted by xkalybr
Why is that sad? How many times have you read a comic where Batman did exactly just that, "find a way to win" that his enemies did not conceive? That has to be added to the equation whenever Batman fights someone. His genius, strategic, and ruthless brain.

That is also not my only post I have written to this thread. This thread has many pages, so probably it was missed, but I said enough things, I feel, to back up my opinion that Batman would win in a fight vs Cap.
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you got friends here...

from what iv'e seen and read on this whole thread

Batman 5-6/10

Originally posted by King KAM
shaddup

be nice...lol

Originally posted by brainchild81
That’s still not fighting the whole time. Stamina will be a factor if the fight lasts a while.
You’ve done nothing but prove that Bats is very fast. We knew that already Show me a Batman pic w/the Watcher or somebody like that saying “even Captain America isn’t fast enough to do this” & you’ll have something.

Does he have to FIGHT for 4 days at a time? It is at least implied that he did not sit down or rest for the entire stretch, in both cases. Simply staying awake that long is a hell of a feat. How long do you think this fight will last? Days? Hell no. Hours? Another hell no. MAYBE an hour, at most. Stamina won't play a role for either side.

& for good reason too. Cap IS Faster.

That's good, you have your own opinion. Care to back it up? Name me a good Cap speed feat. I've shown several of Batman's, and I've also shown him beating a guy who litereally sees the world in slow motion. The guy also studied Batman's figthing style for an extensive amount of time before fighting him, and got his ass kicked in a couple pages.

And yet this guy got stolen by a Cap wannabe with a broken arm. Only one arm to dodge or block and he still got tagged.

The real Cap would’ve ended the fight right there. I wouldn’t put either one of those feats past Cap. The arrow thing’s cool, but catching Bart is good ol’ BatPIS(Cap can use PIS also from time to time.) Then again, that may be more of a “guess where he’ll be” feat than a speed feat. We all know he’s not as fast as Bart

Catching arrows? Has Cap ever done something like it, or is it your opinion again? I'd like evidence, or I'm going to be skeptical towards whatever you claim forever. Meh, Bart wasn't trying to dodge him or anything. At best, it's catching a mach 1ish projectile... Like a large bullet, but noisier.

Longer than Batman could ever throw them thanks to Cap’s superior speed and stamina

Even if Bats gets a shot to the stomach or two first? The fact taht he can incorporate them into his fighting along with other moves gives him an advantage. If Cap gets hit and dazed, what's to stop Bruce from killing him, CIS aside? And no, please don't even be stupid enough and come back saying Cap won't get hit...

That looks nice, but I don’t honestly see Batman winning any. Cap’s a little bit better than Bats. He’d be a little bit better the 1st match. He’d be a little bit better the last match. Same for every match in between. Batman would need gadgets to beat Cap. Period.

So when someone is very slightly better, they always win? Superman beats WW 10/10? Shiva beats Richard Dragon 10/10? Silver Surfer beats Green Lantern 10/10? Fighting doesn't work like that, tiny things can give it to one side or the other when they're this evenly matched.

He doesn’t look KOed to me. Hurt, but not KOed.

Nitpicky little... Fine, he INCAPACITATES a bouncer with a small touch. Better?

Damn. I didn’t know Bats killed people, was this retconned?

Nope... He doesn't like to kill, but Batman is a jackass through and through. He does what is necessary, but only when it IS necessary.

By itself, it would do nothing against a fighter on Batman’s level. Now add in superior speed, stamina, agility and the skills and smarts to use all of them to the utmost and it’s a win for the Captain. Cap simply won’t get hit with those techniques. Bats will probably have to spend most of this scrap on the defensive because he’s slower.

It would do nothing? If Cap got elbowed in the throat, would he not die because he's a good fighter? Hell no, the techniques are still lethal. Pulling them off would be a lot harder, yes, but certainly not impossible. I meant to portray them as a tactical advantage, as if Cap goes down for a second, there's always a good possiblity for Batman to break one of these out. He won't be able to just walk up to Steve and touch a nerve cluster in his neck, but it'd make sense for him to know to aim shots there.

I do. I just know when he’s outclassed.

Outclassed how though? Strength, stamina, by very small margins. Batman has him in actual skill, as well as real striking power, and possibly speed, again by very small margins. As far as I can see, that is ALL, unless you provide some damn good scans pretty soon.

Cap once punched some dude in the jaw so hard he broke the guy’s neck.

Ok. Batman KOed Aquaman. And took out Blue Beetle and mortalized Metron with single punches. Oh, and he also threw a guy through a brick wall and caused some internal bleeding. 😈