Captain America vs Batman(no shield-no gadgets)

Originally posted by Odekahn
It would be A LOT closer than 8/10 if he were fighting Slade.

Why?

Assuming Slade fights Bruce sans weapons and equipment, why would he get a much more comfortable margin of victory than Cap, iyo?

Slade didn't win easily against batman. It was a long drawn out fight on a ledge IIRC which hindered bruce's agility. Slade wins 7/10 against bruce just like cap.

Cap wins, he has comparable skill and is faster, stronger, more durable, more agile, has better endurance etc etc etc.

Comparable, but lesser skill. Just like Bruces comparable but lesser physical stats. It can go either way.

Originally posted by namorsubby
Comparable, but lesser skill. Just like Bruces comparable but lesser physical stats. It can go either way.

Any difference in skill is dwarfed by the difference in their stats.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Why?

Assuming Slade fights Bruce sans weapons and equipment, why would he get a much more comfortable margin of victory than Cap, iyo?

Because I think it's a split. I don't see how Cap can take Slade 8/10. How do you put one above the other under these conditions?

Originally posted by Odekahn
Because I think it's a split. I don't see how Cap can take Slade 8/10. How do you put one above the other under these conditions?

Well, I ask only because don't see how Slade would have an easier time of dealing with Bruce in this same scenario as Steve would. Even if you believe Slade is physically superior to Cap (he's not, imo) Steve is certainly more skilled than Slade is.

Unless I misread what you said, in which case, nevermind.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Any difference in skill is dwarfed by the difference in their stats.

Theres nothing anyone could show me from these two characters as far as physical feats. I've seen them. How some of you still come to the conclusion that cap holds such a large advantage is beyond me. Maybe you write off whatever isnt "humanly possible" as pis for bruce. Idk

Originally posted by namorsubby
Nope. Youd like to think so though, wouldn't you?

Theres nothing anyone could show me from these two characters as far as physical feats. I've seen them. How some of you still come to the conclusion that cap holds such a large advantage is beyond me. Maybe you write off whatever isnt "humanly possible" as pis for bruce. Idk

Per actual feats, Cap has a very noticeable stat advantage.

Heck, you tried the same argument with Slade in regards to his stats and then failed to match Caps' feats.

Noticable, sure. Still by slight margin, you bet.

You can "fail" to match any one feat to another when the "conclusion" is left up to the highly questionable interpretation of fanatics.

Do you want to start posting feats?

If I do, who will provide them for the opposite stance?

Originally posted by namorsubby
Maybe you write off whatever isnt "humanly possible" as pis for bruce. Idk

Originally posted by Silent Master
Per actual feats, Cap has a very noticeable stat advantage.

Heck, you tried the same argument with Slade in regards to his stats and then failed to match Caps' feats.

Noticeable =/= dwarfs
1.5x is noticeable
1.8x is noticeable

Both have superhuman strength feats
Both have the same type of speed feats
Both have nearly the same durability feats (Bats armor)

Again Cap isn't that much superior to Batman physically. At most I would give Cap 1.5-2x the strength, equal h2h speed, almost equal durability, almost equal skill.

Any real MA knows any fighter can land a blow when both are about equally skilled. Considering that and the fact that Batman can use pressure points then he can win some.

Cap also uses PP...

It's a non factor, also scale armor distributes blows better than plates...

Originally posted by h1a8
Noticeable =/= dwarfs
1.5x is noticeable
1.8x is noticeable

Both have superhuman strength feats
Both have the same type of speed feats
Both have nearly the same durability feats (Bats armor)

Again Cap isn't that much superior to Batman physically. At most I would give Cap 1.5-2x the strength, equal h2h speed, almost equal durability, almost equal skill.

Any real MA knows any fighter can land a blow when both are about equally skilled. Considering that and the fact that Batman can use pressure points then he can win some.

They are near equals in skill; yet Cap is stronger, faster, more agile, more durable, has better stamina etc etc etc

Thus Cap wins, which you have already agreed with.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Well, I ask only because don't see how Slade would have an easier time of dealing with Bruce in this same scenario as Steve would. Even if you believe Slade is physically superior to Cap (he's not, imo) Steve is certainly more skilled than Slade is.

Unless I misread what you said, in which case, nevermind.

I don't think he would have an easier time, per se. I just don't see him having a harder time.

Originally posted by Silent Master
They are near equals in skill; yet Cap is stronger, faster, more agile, more durable, has better stamina etc etc etc

Thus Cap wins, which you have already agreed with.

Look at UFC. The strongest or most physical isn't always the victor. Even the lessor skilled has his day. Sometimes chance goes for the underdog.

Stamina won't play a role IMO since both will last until a ko.
Cap is not faster in h2h movement or reflexes if we go by feats.
Cap is not more agile either. Leaping longer distances doesn't mean you are more agile. Cap has a shield and Batman doesn't. That proves who is more agile right there.

I agreed Cap wins a majority but not everytime.
If they fought once then it can go either way but Cap has the better chances.

I'm only arguing against the 10/10 nothing more. Do you believe Batman can get some wins, especially considering a pressure point strike can end it at anytime and bypass any durability advantage?

Originally posted by Odekahn
I don't think he would have an easier time, per se. I just don't see him having a harder time.

Maybe, I remember the first time they fought and Batman surprise Slade and caught slade off by surprise, and then remembering Batman getting one shot in before Slade beat him literally the f*** down. And this was before pre-Knightfall/Dark Knight.

TBH Batman has a horrible time against enhance humans, like Azreal, Slade and Bane!!

I agree, we go by feats...as such Cap is stronger faster, more agile, has better durability etc etc etc.

Comparisions have been done multiple times and Cap has always come out ahead.