Originally posted by Silent Master
I agree, we go by feats...as such Cap is stronger faster, more agile, has better durability etc etc etc.Comparisions have been done multiple times and Cap has always come out ahead.
Cap is slightly stronger and that's all.
He's not more agile.
He's not faster.
He has better durability but not with their respective costumes on.
Batman is slightly more skilled which almost evens the strength advantage out.
Batman's pressure point skill is better than Cap's.
Fight can go either way with Cap having a slight edge.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Cap also uses PP...It's a non factor, also scale armor distributes blows better than plates...
How is it a non factor when it's a one shot win?
Even if both can do them doesn't make it where neither will land any.
Batman can land some and so can Cap. Thus Batman can win some.
Cap's armor is not resistant to bullets. Batman's kevlar weave absorbs impact well. His gloves is durable enough bat bullets away without any injury to Bats. His cowl is made of the same material.
Originally posted by h1a8
[B]Cap is slightly stronger and that's all.
IOW, you agree that Cap is stronger,
He's not more agile.
Yes, he is.
He's not faster.
Yes, he is
He has better durability but not with their respective costumes on.
IOW, you agree that he's more durable.
Batman is slightly more skilled which almost evens the strength advantage out.
Batman's pressure point skill is better than Cap's.
Are you trying to claim that Cap's pressure points attacks won't work on Batman?
Originally posted by Silent MasterYes, he is.
Yes, he is
IOW, you agree that he's more durable.
Are you trying to claim that Cap's pressure points attacks won't work on Batman?
Both of their pressure points will work on each other. That's a major reason why Batman can win some here.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
There's a very real stat edge to Steve at this point, at least on average. I haven't read the new Captain America series yet though so I don't know if the Brubaker level was kept.
The only relevant stat Cap has an edge is strength.
Speed is a wash
Durability is a wash considering Batman's armor is superior
Stamina is irrelevant since a critical lucky hit can lead to a victory, especially pressure point strikes.
Agility is a BS stat that only plays a role when someone is faster. Flipping through the air is not going to help avoid h2h strikes. Both can dodge and weave strikes to near perfection anyway.
Batman is slightly more skilled and can apply pressure points a little better than Cap can. Cap has an edge in the fight but can go either way.
Originally posted by h1a8
Prove that Cap is more agile. Cap blocks a lot of shit with his shield. Batman has to dodge the same type of shit. Both can do any type of flips through the air or balance themselves well. Cap can probably leap farther though.
We have seen Cap go through agility training that was set for Beast, a guy that has superhuman agility, which was mentioned in the story.
Batman might be slightly faster actually. He has every speed feat Cap does but probably more impressive. I'm referring to h2h movements, not running speed.
List them.
But's that's irrelevant if they are wearing their costumes. Cap gets no durability edge. Batman does.
No it's not, Cap has tanked having his suit explode while he was wearing it, let's see a matching feat for Batman.
Both of their pressure points will work on each other. That's a major reason why Batman can win some here.
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Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusCap basically carved out a piece of his own chest to expel Zola. And this was after he had the living crap kicked out of him by Zola's gamma-irradiated SSS mutant hordes, Jet (Zola's daughter) and Zola himself:
There's a very real stat edge to Steve at this point, at least on average. I haven't read the new Captain America series yet though so I don't know if the Brubaker level was kept.
I still don't understand how he didn't just outright die from this:
Originally posted by Silent Master
We have seen Cap go through agility training that was set for Beast, a guy that has superhuman agility.
List them.
Batman has dodged thousands of bullets at once. Deflected bullets easily in the air. Reacted to lasers (PIS imo) and aimed dodged lasers. He dodges most shit thrown at him where Cap blocks a lot of shit with his shield. Batman doesn't have a shield so has to rely on speed and agility.
No it's not, Cap has tanked having his suit explode while he was wearing it, let's see a matching feat for Batman.
If both can equally apply pressure points to Batman then that means Batman can sometimes apply them to Cap and thus winning some.??
Originally posted by Silent Master
If by comparable you mean that they're close in skill but that Cap has better durability, agility, stamina, strength, speed etc etc etc.
Your so right...
I l Iike both I understand that cap has many advantages ad you pointed
Out...
Even in power.. One good blow to Bats chin and he's going to sleep for the 10 count.. Cap gonna hit him so hard that Bats going to be doing the baby giraffe before going to sleep
Originally posted by h1a8
That proves nothing. Batman could do everything Cap did in that scan. Batman has superhuman agility to. Most street levelers are superhuman in every category.
Then by all means post a scan/list an example of Batman going through a training program that was designed specifically for someone with superhuman agility.
Batman has dodged thousands of bullets at once. Deflected bullets easily in the air. Reacted to lasers (PIS imo) and aimed dodged lasers. He dodges most shit thrown at him where Cap blocks a lot of shit with his shield. Batman doesn't have a shield so has to rely on speed and agility.
Cap has blocked lasers with his hands(was wearing protective gloves) while in zero G. and also has plenty of the normal street level bullet and laser dodging.
Batman's suit has withstood Superman trying to kill him. And blows from all types of other superpowered beings.
Cap's suit has also taken hits from all manner of superpowered beings, however he's also tanked having his suit explode on him....where is the matching feat for Batman's durability?
If both can equally apply pressure points to Batman then that means Batman can sometimes apply them to Cap and thus winning some. [/B]
Just like Cap can apply them to Batman, so how exactly does that translate to an advantage for Batman?
Originally posted by ODG
Cap basically carved out a piece of his own chest to expel Zola. And this was after he had the living crap kicked out of him by Zola's gamma-irradiated SSS mutant hordes, Jet (Zola's daughter) and Zola himself:I still don't understand how he didn't just outright die from this:
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Absurd level of durability and damage soak.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Then by all means post a scan/list an example of Batman going through a training program that was designed specifically for someone with superhuman agility.Cap has blocked lasers with his hands(was wearing protective gloves) while in zero G. and also has plenty of the normal street level bullet and laser dodging.
Cap's suit has also taken hits from all manner of superpowered beings, however he's also tanked having his suit explode on him....where is the matching feat for Batman's durability?
Just like Cap can apply them to Batman, so how exactly does that translate to an advantage for Batman?
The training program is irrelevant since we see what it was composed of, which is shit Batman can do. But how is that relevant anyway to a h2h fight? If Cap flips through the air he would be easily hit by Batman.
Batman has blocked lasers as well, after the fire (which was shitty writing I admit).
Resisting Superman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>resisting suit explode on you.
My argument is, assuming they are equals in pressure points then, Batman can land some and thus he can win some.
Originally posted by h1a8
The training program is irrelevant since we see what it was composed of, which is shit Batman can do. But how is that relevant anyway to a h2h fight? If Cap flips through the air he would be easily hit by Batman.
So basically, you can't show Batman going through a training program designed for someone with superhuman agility.
Batman has blocked lasers as well, after the fire (which was shitty writing I admit).
Post it.
Resisting Superman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>resisting suit explode on you.
So you're arguing that Cap can't hurt batman through the suit?
My argument is, assuming they are equals in pressure points then, Batman can land some and thus he can win some.
But then, so can Cap...so basically pressure points wouldn't be an advantage for either
